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Generation IV Remake Speculation

Will there be remakes in Gen VIII?


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I think it would be interesting if a Unova remake followed the storyline of the original BW, but used the regional Pokedex from B2W2. That way you'd have Azumarill, Clefable and Wigglytuff in addition to Whimsicott and possibly Mega Audio (which still isn't a huge amount of Fairies, but I think it would do?).

Hydreigon: "My time has come."
 
Well, there aren't any Fairy specialists in Sinnoh or Unova so a lack of Fairy types wouldn't be much of a problem. And if the Sinnoh remakes had the Platinum Pokédex with the missing Legendaries and Mythicals added, maybe a few additional Pokémon from the later generations could be added too? We know Sylveon is inevitable.
 
Well, there aren't any Fairy specialists in Sinnoh or Unova so a lack of Fairy types wouldn't be much of a problem. And if the Sinnoh remakes had the Platinum Pokédex with the missing Legendaries and Mythicals added, maybe a few additional Pokémon from the later generations could be added too? We know Sylveon is inevitable.

Inb4 a Fairy trainer from later generations makes a cameo.
 
I'd say Regieleki/drago, but they never bothered adding Regigigas to the Hoenn Dex in ORAS
While they never bothered adding it to the 'dex, it did have a special event for it, though it was postgame only. So I could see Regieleki and Regidrago getting added as a postgame event.
 
So is Mr. Rime.

I'd say Regieleki/drago, but they never bothered adding Regigigas to the Hoenn Dex in ORAS
Since Regirock, Regice and Registeel are required to catch Regigigas, I would expect the Hoenn Regis to be included in the new Sinnoh Pokédex. And if they are added so that Regigigas could be in a regional Pokédex, might as well complete the Regi family with Regieleki and Regidrago. Though that could make Regigigas even harder to get. Why did the Crown Tundra give us new Regis?
 
Well, there aren't any Fairy specialists in Sinnoh or Unova so a lack of Fairy types wouldn't be much of a problem. And if the Sinnoh remakes had the Platinum Pokédex with the missing Legendaries and Mythicals added, maybe a few additional Pokémon from the later generations could be added too? We know Sylveon is inevitable.
I meant that a lack of any type of Pokémon during the main story would be bad for balancing.
 
Why did the Crown Tundra give us new Regis?
My guess is that it's partially because of the expansion of regional variants this generation--sort of an overarching theme of expanding on older Pokémon.

I wouldn't mind the two new Regis being included in the Regigigas event as long as long as its part of the base game. I never got to access Snowpoint Temple and the Regigigas event due to lacking Pokémon-knowledgeable friends and/or RSE, and I don't have the Crown Tundra DLC pack and thus can't capture my own Regieleki/Regidrago. Including a Regigigas event in the base game that has the two new Regis as a part of it would be really nice.
 
Thanks for making it clear. It doesn't seem likely that they'll directly connect legendaries, though; Mega Rayquaza's backstory has nothing to do with the Kalosian War.

On a completely unrelated note, I feel like making a chart about how Fairy would deal with each major battle in Sinnoh.

I do agree that there prrrrrrobably won't be a direct link between the Sinnoh deities and Eternatus, but I also think it's not exactly a far reach to say that Dialga and Palkia's abilities could generate a similar effect to Dynamax. Lorewise, it's spacetime being warped. That's literally the purview of Dialga and Palkia. (Maybe an organic way of approaching this would be to leave Dynamax out for most of the main game... until Cyrus attempts to use Dialga and Palkia to rewrite the universe, and then you can say that the spacetime distortions set off by the dragons caused Sinnoh to become capable of supporting Dynamax, like a quasi-Darkest Day. Kind of like how defeating Kyogre/Groudon in ORAS marked the point where Mega Stones became abundant in Hoenn and the Hoenn Dex got chucked out the window. Which I wouldn't really mind - the utter lack of tangibility and fallout from the events on Mt. Coronet always did feel extremely anticlimactic to me. "Oh, they're putting on a laser light show...")

As for Fairies, which species would be affected? Let's see... as far as just the main storyline Sinnoh Dex goes, you've got Mr. Mime, Clefairy, Azumarill, Ralts, Togepi, and Sylveon. And Mawile if you count dual-slot species. That seems reasonable.

So is Mr. Rime.

I'd say Regieleki/drago, but they never bothered adding Regigigas to the Hoenn Dex in ORAS

While they never bothered adding it to the 'dex, it did have a special event for it, though it was postgame only. So I could see Regieleki and Regidrago getting added as a postgame event.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think SwSh was actually the first* time that an old region's Legendaries were actually added to a new local Dex? So maybe that's something that they used to be more rigid about but would be open to doing now.

* Excepting the Johto Pokédex for obvious reasons and Zygarde being in the Alola Dex which was obviously to make up for there being no Z game
 
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think SwSh was actually the first* time that an old region's Legendaries were actually added to a new local Dex? So maybe that's something that they used to be more rigid about but would be open to doing now.

* Excepting the Johto Pokédex for obvious reasons and Zygarde being in the Alola Dex to which was obviously to make up for there being no Z game

XY has the birds + Mewtwo in its regional dex
 
My guess is that it's partially because of the expansion of regional variants this generation--sort of an overarching theme of expanding on older Pokémon.

I wouldn't mind the two new Regis being included in the Regigigas event as long as long as its part of the base game. I never got to access Snowpoint Temple and the Regigigas event due to lacking Pokémon-knowledgeable friends and/or RSE, and I don't have the Crown Tundra DLC pack and thus can't capture my own Regieleki/Regidrago. Including a Regigigas event in the base game that has the two new Regis as a part of it would be really nice.

Hmm... Adding quests to catch all the Legendaries and Mythicals before the League could get annoying enough without the Regis. I'm not even sure how to handle Heatran and Shaymin without limiting the post-game areas. In fact, Regirock's Rock Peak Ruins is east of Stark Mountain, which makes things worse. What if Regigigas was the only Regi in the Sinnoh Dex and you can catch it as soon as you see it in Snowpoint Temple, and after you get the National Dex, it acts like Platinum's event Regigigas that opens all the Regi Ruins in Sinnoh and then catching all three Hoenn Regis would unlock the new Regi duo just like how Regigigas was originally unlocked.
 
Hmm... Adding quests to catch all the Legendaries and Mythicals before the League could get annoying enough without the Regis.
When I said base game, I meant without having to purchase a DLC or get a Mystery Gift to access them. Sorry for not making that clear.
 
In my eyes, any properly balanced regional dex would need to have at least 6 fully evolved Pokemon for each type in the main game that aren't starters, legendaries, or non-native variants (starters because you can only choose 1/3, so it limits team variety, legendaries because they're generally overpowered, and non-native variants because there's no guarantee they'll provide you an NPC in the main game to trade you the foreign variant). It's not just for NPC rosters, it's also to give players an adequate number of choices for team variety and monotype runs. So no, just because there's no Fairy specialist in Sinnoh or Unova doesn't mean it's okay to not have a lot of Fairies. When the time comes for Unova, I would say add 100 or so Pokemon to BW2's Unova Dex to pad out the Fairies.

As for Sinnoh (a.k.a. the topic), here's where Sinnoh stands in terms of variety as of Platinum:

Normal: Staraptor, Bibarel, Ambipom, Lopunny, Purugly, Chatot, Blissey, Snorlax, Lickilicky, Porygon-Z, Noctowl, Girafarig
Grass: Roserade, Plant Cloak Wormadam, Cherrim, Carnivine, Abomasnow, Tangrowth, Leafeon, Mow Rotom
Fire: Rapidash, Flareon, Houndoom, Magmortar, Heat Rotom
Water: Bibarel, Gyarados, Seaking, Golduck, Floatzel, Gastrodon, Vaporeon, Azumarill, Quagsire, Whiscash, Tentacruel, Pelipper, Octillery, Lumineon, Milotic, Mantine, Wash Rotom
Electric: Luxray, Pachirisu, Raichu, Jolteon, Magnezone, Electivire, Rotom
Rock: Golem, Rampardos, Bastiodon, Probopass, Sudowoodo, Rhyperior
Ground: Golem, Sandy Cloak Wormadam, Gastrodon, Gliscor, Garchomp, Hippowdon, Rhyperior, Whiscash, Mamoswine
Flying: Staraptor, Gyarados, Crobat, Mothim, Vespiquen, Drifblim, Beautifly, Honchkrow, Gliscor, Togekiss, Pelipper, Noctowl, Altaria, Chatot, Yanmega, Tropius, Mantine, Fan Rotom
Bug: Kricketune, Wormadam, Mothim, Vespiquen, Heracross, Beautifly, Dustox, Scizor, Yanmega
Poison: Roserade, Crobat, Dustox, Gengar, Skunktank, Tentacruel, Drapion, Toxicroak
Fighting: Machamp, Heracross, Medicham, Gallade, Toxicroak, Lucario
Psychic: Alakazam, Bronzong, Medicham, Chimecho, Gardevoir, Gallade, Espeon, Unown, Mr. Mime, Girafarig
Ice: Glaceon, Abomasnow, Weavile, Mamoswine, Glalie, Froslass, Frost Rotom
Ghost: Gengar, Drifblim, Mismagius, Dusknoir, Spiritomb, Rotom
Dragon: Garchomp, Altaria
Dark: Honchkrow, Skunktank, Umbreon, Spiritomb, Houndoom, Drapion, Weavile, Absol
Steel: Steelix, Bastiodon, Trash Cloak Wormadam, Bronzong, Probopass, Magnezone, Lucario
Fairy: Clefable, Togekiss, Gardevoir, Azumarill, Mr. Mime

Presumably Sylveon will be added to the Dex, but there's no guarantee of that, so I excluded it from the list until confirmed.

With that, there's three balance issues in the Sinnoh Dex:
1. Fire. This would be enough if starters and legendaries were counted, but based on the criteria I specified above, Infernape and Heatran do not count (I was also thinking of excluding Rotom's forms as well, but ultimately I didn't think it made sense to exclude form changes, so I kept it).
2. Dragon. No one seems to notice this (probably because of there being no Dragon type specialist in Sinnoh and/or Dragon type being fairly OP), but Sinnoh is woefully lacking Dragons and Platinum didn't do much to fix this, only adding in Altaria (I'm guessing this was probably because most of the Dragons at the time were pseudos, but like, they could've at least given us Kingdra and Flygon to play around with). Sinnoh needs a whopping 4 more Dragons to have an adequate mix of them.
3. Fairy. As this is a new type since DP, they obviously could not consider balancing this out at the time. In the highly likely event of Sylveon being added to the Sinnoh Dex though, that will fix this.

EDIT: BTW, if you're wondering where Sinnoh stands in regards to the other regions, here's a comparison to what the other regions need to be properly balanced:

Kanto: 1 Grass, 1 Fire, 1 Electric, 1 Fighting, 2 Ice, 5 Ghost, 5 Dragon, 6 Dark, 5 Steel, 3 Fairy
Johto: 4 Ghost, 4 Dragon, 1 Dark, 1 Steel
Hoenn: 1 Fire, 3 Ice, 1 Ghost, 2 Dragon, 2 Fairy
Sinnoh: 1 Fire, 4 Dragon, 1 Fairy
Unova: 1 Dragon, 2 Fairy
Kalos: None
Alola: None
Galar: None

*Note: Kanto has a lot of cross gen evos and regional variants that help fill in the gaps in its variety, but cross gen evos have never been included in the Kanto Dex and regional variants are excluded by the criteria I set. If you were to include the cross gen evos and foreign variants, Kanto would only need 4 Ghost, 2 Dragon, and 1 Dark
 
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That didn't stop the 3DS games from putting many pseudos as possible in their regional dexes.

True, but that might be due to a change in design philosophy with those games. They shifted much more towards making the games easier for casuals in the games since, so they're probably more inclined to cram in multiple pseudos now than when they made DPPt.
 
They shifted much more towards making the games easier for casuals in the games since, so they're probably more inclined to cram in multiple pseudos now than when they made DPPt.
I'd argue that most pseudo pre-evolutions are outclassed once they hit the 30s range as they lag behind their fully evolved peers stat wise, and they usually level up slower as well. Raising a pseudo is probably a little more difficult (in most cases) than raising a non-pseudo because of this. Ditto for any Pokémon that evolves into a powerhouse at a very late level. So I don't think including pseudos earlier was an attempt to make the games easier, rather, I think it was just because they're usually pretty popular.
 
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