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Generation VI: The Future

What will it be?


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So far you've just ruled every single thing out. You don't think it will be Gen 7, you don't think they will introduce new Pokemon like Gen 6.5, you don't think Zygarde will get new forms, so what do you think it will be, because so far it seems like you've ruled everything out but forgot to leave something in.

I don't see how a picture of Zygarde complete is a "controversial theory"?
Oh I thought you just wanted to see the picture I was referring to XD. My theories are put into two categories. One is outlandish and the other controversial considering what happened with Mega Evolutions a few years ago and it's a touchy subject among the Pokémon and anime community affecting the latter likely due to XYZ proving to be the most mainstream Pokémon season in a good while.
 

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The compatibility problem can be solved with DLC. If they can make DLC work without needing an SD card, then they can update older games with newer Pokemon and Mega Evolutions.

As far as the line between generations blurring, I think that's where the industry is going anyway. Improvements in graphics are making less and less of a difference every generation and the only real improvements come from new types of hardware and peripherals. So I don't see much of a problem with Pokemon doing the same.
 

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Game Freak ain't gonna patch nothing. And DLC as a whole could make Game Freak extremely lazy, and I am glad they are against it.

I am glad Game Freak are more or less conservative, regarding they're approach for the main series. The formula is working, so don't fix it.
 

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I said NEW legendaries. As in, never before seen? Y'know, the same way OR/AS introduced NEW Mega's? ;) Yeah. And yes, giving Complete Zygarde a Mega or Primal would be pointless since it'll probably be getting a 700BST regardless, but what I meant was it's not impossible.

There is no legendary pokemon we haven't seen before. XY and ORAS had all the legendarys from each generation. We also not getting entirely new pokemon for legendary pokemon as that would saved for gen 7.

So far you've just ruled every single thing out. You don't think it will be Gen 7, you don't think they will introduce new Pokemon like Gen 6.5, you don't think Zygarde will get new forms, so what do you think it will be, because so far it seems like you've ruled everything out but forgot to leave something in.

I don't see how a picture of Zygarde complete is a "controversial theory"?

I am just being logical to how Pokemon Z is going to be. New pokemon in Z would be pointless as gen 7 would after Z and it would defeat the purpose of a new generation pokemon. Zygarde has enough forms as it is because adding a mega on top of the new forms would overpower Zygarde and Zygarde would be strong enough in it's complete form.
 

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Plus they fix a lot of problems with Kalos' Pokemon selection like the lack of new Pokemon and overabundance of older ones and allow the Pokemon variety to be expanded (as third versions/sequels have taken to doing lately) without making the balance between old and new Pokemon even worse. Honestly, I can't think of a better way for Game Freak to surprise players and give Kalos a much needed facelift.

What overabundance of older ones? Who cares about unbalanced amount of new pokemon and old pokemon? Kalos have the biggest pokedex in history and that's what matters for the team building and different opponents in battles. We don't need a ton of new pokemon, if the new pokemon would be to similiar like the old ones like Gen 5 did. Many good new pokemons are neat, but not necessary. A big pokedex with a big variaty of pokemon is as important if not more.

Again, we waited FIVE generations to start getting a good amount of new Pokemon formes in the middle of the Generation. And those manage to keep the generation fresh.

But here's the problem. A "new generation" of pokemon is a other term for "a new set of pokemon". New pokemon would automatically mean new generation of pokemon.
This is the main problem for a Gen 6.5.

And like many said. This generation will probably end fall 2017. Introducing a new set of pokemon now would and another next year would be to confusing and there would be not that much time for these pokemon until the next set overshadow them.
The only thing I can see would be a gen 2018 release for gen 7 for another 2,5 years for this gen.
 
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What overabundance of older ones? Who cares about unbalanced amount of new pokemon and old pokemon? Kalos have the biggest pokedex in history and that's what matters for the team building and different opponents in battles. We don't need a ton of new pokemon, if the new pokemon would be to similiar like the old ones like Gen 5 did. Many good new pokemons are neat, but not necessary. A big pokedex with a big variaty of pokemon is as important if not more.



But here's the problem. A "new generation" of pokemon is a other term for "a new set of pokemon". New pokemon would automatically mean new generation of pokemon.
This is the main problem for a Gen 6.5.

And like many said. This generation will probably end fall 2017. Introducing a new set of pokemon now would and another next year would be to confusing and there would be not that much time for these pokemon until the next set overshadow them.
The only thing I can see would be a gen 2018 release for gen 7 for another 2,5 years for this gen.
That's basically my point. New Megas are one thing, and keep the generation fresh, but brand new Pokemon would blur the whole point of generations. So it doesn't make sense.
 

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But here's the problem. A "new generation" of pokemon is a other term for "a new set of pokemon". New pokemon would automatically mean new generation of pokemon.
This is the main problem for a Gen 6.5.

This is false. There's a lot more that defines a new generation like a new region, new characters, new evil team, new gyms, new gameplay features, etc. Really though, generations are most defined by new hardware, so I want to see them match new generations to Nintendo's hardware generations. Other than that, just add new Pokemon whenever they need to.
 

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You're clearly not understanding what I'm saying, and you're so closed off to the very idea of a Gen 6.5, so I'm just going to end this conversation right here. Have a nice day.

Why would they introduce new pokemon in the very last gen 6 game before gen 7? Wouldn't be smarter to wait for gen 7 since Z is the last game for gen 6?

This is false. There's a lot more that defines a new generation like a new region, new characters, new evil team, new gyms, new gameplay features, etc. Really though, generations are most defined by new hardware, so I want to see them match new generations to Nintendo's hardware generations. Other than that, just add new Pokemon whenever they need to.

Even so, new pokemon in a final gen 6 game before gen 7 is pretty pointless. Why put a batch of new pokemon in the final game of a gen when gen 7 is coming right after it?
 

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I'm not speaking for bolt here, but again, like I suggested last page, if we were to get new Pokemon mid generation, it would be because gen 7 would be coming in 2018 and not 2017. I mean the whole topic is a nonstarter and something that has a very minute chance of happening, but if we are willing to discuss such a thing, why not discuss it with this as a possibility? I mean we're basically pulling straws out of our asses for this topic to discredit it, what's so hard to believe that a mid gen refresh would be to enlongate it? I've discussed this before, Pokemon as a 3 year or even a 4 year cycle isn't gonna be viable in the long run, and that might even be by the next one, if the NX is capable enough as a handheld. They already are experimenting with future proofing when it comes to the graphics, I can see them experimenting capability walls, which we already have with megas. Its a technical step up.
 

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Why would they introduce new pokemon in the very last gen 6 game before gen 7? Wouldn't be smarter to wait for gen 7 since Z is the last game for gen 6?



Even so, new pokemon in a final gen 6 game before gen 7 is pretty pointless. Why put a batch of new pokemon in the final game of a gen when gen 7 is coming right after it?

You're acting like they're going to introduce 150 new Pokémon in Z only to introduce 150 more less than a year later in Generation 7.

First of all, if Gen 6.5 were to ever happen, it'd be an even smaller batch of Pokémon than the original Kalos batch, which was already a slim 72. And if Z happens, it's going to happen now in 2016. But there is definitely no guarantee that Generation 7 is coming in 2017, it could come in 2018. And I would definitely say that two years is more than enough wait between Z's batch of Pokémon and Gen. 7's.

Now, I'm done.
 

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Again, we waited FIVE generations to start getting a good amount of new Pokemon formes in the middle of the Generation. And those manage to keep the generation fresh.

We don't know how GF defines a new generation. But introducing new pokemon is the closest thing of a "new generation" thing and yeah a new generation for the franchise means a new generation of pokemon.
 

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I'm not speaking for bolt here, but again, like I suggested last page, if we were to get new Pokemon mid generation, it would be because gen 7 would be coming in 2018 and not 2017. I mean the whole topic is a nonstarter and something that has a very minute chance of happening, but if we are willing to discuss such a thing, why not discuss it with this as a possibility? I mean we're basically pulling straws out of our asses for this topic to discredit it, what's so hard to believe that a mid gen refresh would be to enlongate it? I've discussed this before, Pokemon as a 3 year or even a 4 year cycle isn't gonna be viable in the long run, and that might even be by the next one, if the NX is capable enough as a handheld. They already are experimenting with future proofing when it comes to the graphics, I can see them experimenting capability walls, which we already have with megas. Its a technical step up.

You're acting like they're going to introduce 150 new Pokémon in Z only to introduce 150 more less than a year later in Generation 7.

First of all, if Gen 6.5 were to ever happen, it'd be an even smaller batch of Pokémon than the original Kalos batch, which was already a slim 72. And if Z happens, it's going to happen now in 2016. But there is definitely no guarantee that Generation 7 is coming in 2017, it could come in 2018. And I would definitely say that two years is more than enough wait between Z's batch of Pokémon and Gen. 7's.

Now, I'm done.

Sorry but I don't buy it at all. Every three to four years they introduce a brand new generation of pokemon. Considering that Pokemon Z is for this year, it means gen 7 would be in 2017 and there is no need to stick a batch of new pokemon in to the game when gen 7 is soon to come.
 

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Sorry but I don't buy it at all. Every three to four years they introduce a brand new generation of pokemon. Considering that Pokemon Z is for this year, it means gen 7 would be in 2017 and there is no need to stick a batch of new pokemon in to the game when gen 7 is soon to come.

These are the kinds of patterns Game Freak eventually ends up breaking. What makes it so Game Freak absolutely, 100% has to have a generation last 3 or 4 years, they can go longer if they really want to.
 

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These are the kinds of patterns Game Freak eventually ends up breaking. What makes it so Game Freak absolutely, 100% has to have a generation last 3 or 4 years, they can go longer if they really want to.

Maybe but they aren't going to put new pokemon in the middle or in th last game of the current gen. It is a bad decision and new pokemon should only be introduced in a whole new generation.
 

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And like I said, new Pokemon are a technical step up from Megas. Sure they don't have Pokedex entries, and they are not permament, yet the differences they bring to each species and the amount of work put into them by GF amounts to something well near a full blown "New Pokemon". What would the difference be with introducing new megas and new Ppkemon be, both gameplay and marketing wise? Probably nothing. And as for in game content, it makes it easier to resell the region, no matter how much they expanded it. Sequels are gonna be a hard sell, if handled the way B2W2 did. But maybe, hey, throw some new Pokemon in, then yeah they could probably sell.
 

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And like I said, new Pokemon are a technical step up from Megas. Sure they don't have Pokedex entries, and they are not permament, yet the differences they bring to each species and the amount of work put into them by GF amounts to something well near a full blown "New Pokemon". What would the difference be with introducing new megas and new Ppkemon be, both gameplay and marketing wise? Probably nothing. And as for in game content, it makes it easier to resell the region, no matter how much they expanded it. Sequels are gonna be a hard sell, if handled the way B2W2 did. But maybe, hey, throw some new Pokemon in, then yeah they could probably sell.

It would be a waste of pokemon if they put new pokemon in a game that is the last of the gen. The only thing they can do for Z is to include a mythical pokemon in a game like Darkrai or something. But entirely new pokemon is out of the question. Gen 7 is (most likely) after Z and put new pokemon in the game when a new generation would follow after is a poor decision. Plus having to say gen 6.5 sounds ridiculous.
 

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Maybe but they aren't going to put new pokemon in the middle or in th last game of the current gen. It is a bad decision and new pokemon should only be introduced in a whole new generation.

Deoxys Attack Forme: Introduced mid-generation in FireRed

Deoxys Defense Forme: Introduced mid-generation in LeafGreen

Deoxys Speed Forme: Introduced at the end of a generation in Emerald

Giratina Origin Forme: Introduced mid-generation in Platinum

110px-479Rotom-Heat.png
Introduced mid-generation in Platinum; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia
110px-479Rotom-Wash.png
Introduced mid-generation in Platinum; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia
110px-479Rotom-Frost.png
Introduced mid-generation in Platinum; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia
110px-479Rotom-Fan.png
Introduced mid-generation in Platinum; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia
110px-479Rotom-Mow.png
Introduced mid-generation in Platinum; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia
110px-492Shaymin-Sky.png
Introduced mid-generation in Platinum; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

Spiky-Eared Pichu: Introduced at the end of a generation in HeartGold and SoulSilver

110px-646Kyurem-Black.png
Introduced at the end of a generation in Black 2; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

110px-646Kyurem-White.png
Introduced at the end of a generation in White 2; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

Cosplay Pikachu: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Beedrill: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Pidgeot: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Slowbro: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Steelix: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
150px-254Sceptile-Mega.png
Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

Mega Swampert: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Sableye: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Sharpedo: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Camerupt: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

150px-334Altaria-Mega.png
Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

Mega Glalie: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Salamence: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Metagross: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Latias: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Latios: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Rayquaza: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

150px-428Lopunny-Mega.png
Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

Mega Gallade: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

150px-531Audino-Mega.png
Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

Mega Diancie: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Primal Kyogre: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
150px-383Groudon-Primal.png
Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia
110px-718Zygarde-Complete_XY_anime.png
Introduced at the end of a generation
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Introduced at the end of a generation
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Introduced at the end of a generation
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Introduced at the end of a generation
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Introduced at the end of a generation

I've told you TWICE that I'm not going to continue this conversation. I won't tell you a third time. Let it go and move on. Have a lovely day.
 

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Deoxys Attack Forme: Introduced mid-generation in FireRed

Deoxys Defense Forme: Introduced mid-generation in LeafGreen

Deoxys Speed Forme: Introduced at the end of a generation in Emerald

Giratina Origin Forme: Introduced mid-generation in Platinum

110px-479Rotom-Heat.png
Introduced mid-generation in Platinum; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia
110px-479Rotom-Wash.png
Introduced mid-generation in Platinum; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia
110px-479Rotom-Frost.png
Introduced mid-generation in Platinum; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia
110px-479Rotom-Fan.png
Introduced mid-generation in Platinum; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia
110px-479Rotom-Mow.png
Introduced mid-generation in Platinum; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia
110px-492Shaymin-Sky.png
Introduced mid-generation in Platinum; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

Spiky-Eared Pichu: Introduced at the end of a generation in HeartGold and SoulSilver

110px-646Kyurem-Black.png
Introduced at the end of a generation in Black 2; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

110px-646Kyurem-White.png
Introduced at the end of a generation in White 2; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

Cosplay Pikachu: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Beedrill: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Pidgeot: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Slowbro: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Steelix: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
150px-254Sceptile-Mega.png
Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

Mega Swampert: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Sableye: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Sharpedo: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Camerupt: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

150px-334Altaria-Mega.png
Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

Mega Glalie: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Salamence: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Metagross: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Latias: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Latios: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Mega Rayquaza: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

150px-428Lopunny-Mega.png
Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

Mega Gallade: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

150px-531Audino-Mega.png
Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia

Mega Diancie: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Primal Kyogre: Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
150px-383Groudon-Primal.png
Introduced mid-generation in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire; changes typing, so considered a "new Pokémon" by Bulbapedia
110px-718Zygarde-Complete_XY_anime.png
Introduced at the end of a generation
110px-718Zygarde-10Percent_XY_anime.png
Introduced at the end of a generation
110px-718Zygarde-Core_XY_anime.png
Introduced at the end of a generation
110px-718Zygarde-Cell_XY_anime.png
Introduced at the end of a generation
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Introduced at the end of a generation

I've told you TWICE that I'm not going to continue this conversation. I won't tell you a third time. Let it go and move on. Have a lovely day.

Those are new forms/megas/Primal for older pokemon. They are not actually new pokemon. New pokemon are pokemon that are introduce at the start of a new generation and region. Not to mention that they don't get their own pokedex entry or number.
 
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Those are new forms/megas/Primal for older pokemon. They are not actually new pokemon. New pokemon are pokemon that are introduce at the start of a new generation and region. Not to mention that they don't get their own pokedex entry or number.

Getting a Pokedex entry and number is hardly something that matters in the grand scheme of things, those are fairly arbitrary and semantic differences. New forms and Megas already have new types, stats, and movesets, giving them their own numbers isn't a big step up from that.
 
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