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Generation VI: The Future

What will it be?


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Mitchman

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If project azoth and Volcanion are connected, I wonder what it would be that is the connection. Volcanion already exists, so its jot Volcabion's creation. But what if its fire and water powers come from the primal duo? Its implied that it has a power source in its body, so what if that is the power behind primal reversion? If it is though, who put it there? Maybe the Mauville project and Devon Corp has more behind it?
 

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I think the only logical connection is Team Aqua/Magma wanted to use Volcanion to awaken Kyogre/Groudon.

Now, we don't see Volcanion in ORAS ingame, but what if this movie is just expanding the back story? How did TA/ TM wake Kyogre/Groudon up? Maybe with Volcanion's power?

I think it's really suspicious to call a Project after a region (Kingdom). And I think that's what Project Azoth is: Going to the Kingdom of Azoth, capturing Volcanion and forcing him to awake Kyogre/ Groudon.

Once akwaken, Team Aqua/ Magma uses the respective Orb to PR the respective Legendary.
 

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I thought the games already explained that Kyogre and Groudon were awakened by the power of the Red/Blue Orbs?
Now that I think of that, you are right. Both were awakened by the Orbs iirc.

I have a better theory:

what if Team Aqua & Magma were after Volcanion before they decided to go after Groudon and Kyogre?

We know from ORAS that Team Magma and Aqua were the same team before splitting in Magma and Aqua (due to differences between the Leaders?).

So what if... When they were the same team, they were after a common objective: Volcanion (involving both land and water).

When Maxie and Archie started having differences they formed the two Teams, and focused on water (Aqua) and fire/ ground (Magma).

Besides, Primal Groudon and Kyogre are stronger for their purposes.
 
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You do realise this is a thread specifically for discussing and sharing speculation? I agree I would like to know the answer as soon as possible, but speculation is what helps fill the long void, if we didn't speculate the hype would die completely.
Honestly. So bored of everything. I need developments.

I understand this thread is for speculation, but we've really beat the Ash-Greninja thing and Z formes to the ground.
 

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I can't be the only one surely to see a potential link between King AZ and the Kingdom of AZoth?
Could AZoth be AZ's full name, just like N was initially just a letter initial but got a full name?

Masuda promised us they'd be tying Gen 6 altogether in a new and imaginative way and I think this is the first sign. I mean why was AZ in Hoenn anyway, he didn't travel 1000s of miles just to plant a tree? And I'm more certain that ever E. Floette's flower there is a clue, not just an Easter egg. (Like when they randomly stuck Majoras Mask on the players wall in Link Between Worlds)

Not to mention my Girl Zinnia and her Aster. (ANOTHER AZ!!!) We never did find out what happened to the original Aster.

Could Volcanion, Magma/Aqua, AZ, Aster/Zinnia, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza and Zygarde all be connected and all play roles in this new story.

AZ could also be a cool title for the game, instead of just Z
 

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I can't be the only one surely to see a potential link between King AZ and the Kingdom of AZoth?
Could AZoth be AZ's full name, just like N was initially just a letter initial but got a full name?

We already do know of a sort of connection there - in Lysandre's files in XY, it is said that AZ was "the beginning and the end" (tying into his name, A and Z being the beginning and the end of the alphabet), and then in ORAS, a Magma/Aqua grunt tells you that the A and Z in AZOTH stand for "beginning" and "end," respectively, and then they say that they do not know what the other three letters stand for. Project AZOTH, as we know, was Team Magma/Aqua's research into AZ's ultimate weapon as well as Primal Reversion.

This of course links to the Legendary Pokémon on the covers of both sets of games - Yveltal represents death and Groudon represents Omega and bringing things to an end, while Xerneas represents life and Kyogre represents Alpha and returning things to the beginning.

Aster and Zinnia, as you say, is another potential extension of this theme.
 

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It seems a bit convoluted, but anything is possible I guess. Azoth definitely cannot be a coincidence, its not a common word.


On another note Pokken is out in March. Barring Pokemon Go, the rest of the year is clear for a mainline game if they want to release one earlier then the usual fall release.
 

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I can't be the only one surely to see a potential link between King AZ and the Kingdom of AZoth?
Could AZoth be AZ's full name, just like N was initially just a letter initial but got a full name?

Masuda promised us they'd be tying Gen 6 altogether in a new and imaginative way and I think this is the first sign. I mean why was AZ in Hoenn anyway, he didn't travel 1000s of miles just to plant a tree? And I'm more certain that ever E. Floette's flower there is a clue, not just an Easter egg. (Like when they randomly stuck Majoras Mask on the players wall in Link Between Worlds)

Not to mention my Girl Zinnia and her Aster. (ANOTHER AZ!!!) We never did find out what happened to the original Aster.

Could Volcanion, Magma/Aqua, AZ, Aster/Zinnia, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza and Zygarde all be connected and all play roles in this new story.

AZ could also be a cool title for the game, instead of just Z

I agree it could mean something, but remember it could only reference the plot for the next movie, and not necessarily the next game.

Basically all the cool speculation you made could occur in the movie and not in the main series.

Which brings me back to the previous issue we discussed: our speculation theories go wild sometimes, we start seeing hidden connections everywhere, and then when the next game has none of our wildly cool speculations, we say: "How disappointing. The game is good, but it could've been so much better." And of course, when we write a whole plot in our heads, of course what we get might not live up to our expectations.

Not only you though, I did a similar thing, speculating about these Project Azoth/Volcanion/ Azoth Kingdom connections and saying they could lead to a Kalos and Hoenn crossover game. Which could happen, of course it could, but it's unlikely. What's more likely is those Kalos Hoenn connections and lore being expanded in the Movie, as a homage to both games from Gen VI (XY and ORAS).

This is why yesterday, I told you GF is not responsible for our sky high expectations. They put a few cool lore expansions and easter eggs here and there, and we think it has to lead or forshadow something bigger, and it really doesn't have to. It could, but not necessarily.
 
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I agree it could mean something, but remember it could only reference the plot for the next movie, and not necessarily the next game.

Basically all the cool speculation you made could occur in the movie and not in the main series.

Which brings me back to the previous issue we discussed: our speculation theories go wild sometimes, we start seeing hidden connections everywhere, and then when the next game has none of our wildly cool speculations, we say: "How disappointing. The game is good, but it could've been so much better." And of course, when we write a whole plot in our heads, of course what we get might not live up to our expectations.

I agree with you up until a point, like I don't mind as long as GF throw in something equally cool. I didn't expect Black 2/White 2 I assumed it would just be Grey/Gray, but they came out with something equally awesome, that answered every question but one, (identity of Original Dragon,)

But if as some suggest they just left Gen 6 completely and move on then of course I;d be annoyed. There is still so much unanswered in Gen 6, and so much to work with still. Of course I doubt all my speculations will come true, they are just a bit of fun, obvs it'd be cool if some are right, but if Game Freak takes all the missing elements and makes a great game, even if its not how I speculated that's fine by me, if they just leave tons of stuff up in the air, unanswered only then would I be disappointed.
 

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Which brings me back to the previous issue we discussed: our speculation theories go wild sometimes, we start seeing hidden connections everywhere, and then when the next game has none of our wildly cool speculations, we say: "How disappointing. The game is good, but it could've been so much better." And of course, when we write a whole plot in our heads, of course what we get might not live up to our expectations.

It's good advice. Personally, I don't care too much about what we get. I'm not even really expecting anything from this Azoth business. Whatever the next game is, I will still buy it and most likely enjoy it. Let me be critical of it after I've done that. :p
 

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I agree with you up until a point, like I don't mind as long as GF throw in something equally cool. I didn't expect Black 2/White 2 I assumed it would just be Grey/Gray, but they came out with something equally awesome, that answered every question but one, (identity of Original Dragon,)

But if as some suggest they just left Gen 6 completely and move on then of course I;d be annoyed. There is still so much unanswered in Gen 6, and so much to work with still. Of course I doubt all my speculations will come true, they are just a bit of fun, obvs it'd be cool if some are right, but if Game Freak takes all the missing elements and makes a great game, even if its not how I speculated that's fine by me, if they just leave tons of stuff up in the air, unanswered only then would I be disappointed.

But my point is that we think we are just having fun speculating, but unconsciously, our brain starts to make an unconscious massive build up of expectations for what the next game will have, etc

And "equally cool" is very subjective.

I understand you though. The speculation urge is hard to overcome xD
 
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Maybe Lysandre's files were an allusion to Groudon & Kyogre as well? Their Primal forms represent the End & the Beginning respectively. Maxie & Archie even paraphrase it in OR/AS.

The teams were able to awaken their Primals through Zinnia's help, I think she said that she helped them? I don't remember the full extent of what she said. But her helping them to awaken the Primal was her first plan to call Rayquaza, but the player stopped it. Hence her interest in the player.

Aster was one of the main reasons for Zinnia's efforts, and Zinnia was the one to help the player bond with Rayquaza, and let it mega evovle to destroy Deoxys' meteor. Again, A & Z. Beginning and end.

I think whatever happens next, we haven't seen/heard the last of AZ & Zinnia.

Imagine an event where we go back in time briefly and see Aster & Zinnia, like we saw Giovanni & Silver in HG/SS. That'd be brilliant.
 

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It's good advice. Personally, I don't care too much about what we get. I'm not even really expecting anything from this Azoth business. Whatever the next game is, I will still buy it and most likely enjoy it. Let me be critical of it after I've done that. :p
Yes, I don't expect the Azoth connections to be in the main games.

They will probably act like a homage for the Gen VI regions and expand the connection between both. It would make sense for the Movie to expand that.

Although I don't remember if previous remakes were tied in with the new region of their respective generation.
 

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I don't remember if previous remakes were tied in with the new region of their respective generation.

FR/LG had the Sevii Islands quest which involved the Ruby & Sapphire items quest, which allowed Bill to fix the trading machine and make it so players could trade with Ruby & Sapphire games.

HG/SS had the Sinjoh Ruins and the Arceus event involving Cynthia. As a hint, D/P/Pt also had Jasmine on Sunyshore City beach, handing the player the Waterfall HM and talking about how the Lighthouse reminded her of Olivine Lighthouse.

Are these things what you meant?
 

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FR/LG had the Sevii Islands quest which involved the Ruby & Sapphire items quest, which allowed Bill to fix the trading machine and make it so players could trade with Ruby & Sapphire games.

HG/SS had the Sinjoh Ruins and the Arceus event involving Cynthia. As a hint, D/P/Pt also had Jasmine on Sunyshore City beach, handing the player the Waterfall HM and talking about how the Lighthouse reminded her of Olivine Lighthouse.

Are these things what you meant?
No, I mean in the movie of that generation.
Like the next movie could presumably connect the backstory of XY (Volcanion) and Project Azoth (ORAS).

About the actual games, the Sevii Islands were more tied in to Johto imo.

HGSS did make a clear connection between Johto and Shinnoh.

And ORAS made some connection ls with Kalos like the Battle Chatelaines and the Battle Maison being Hoenn native first, the redesigned Mauville being inspired by Lumiose, Hoopa (a Kalos mythical) making islands appear in Hoenn, etc
 

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No, I mean in the movie of that generation.
Like the next movie could presumably connect the backstory of XY (Volcanion) and Project Azoth (ORAS).

Then no, there's no over-arching connections like that. None that I've spotted/remember, ayway.
 

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No, I mean in the movie of that generation.
Like the next movie could presumably connect the backstory of XY (Volcanion) and Project Azoth (ORAS).

About the actual games, the Sevii Islands were more tied in to Johto imo.

HGSS did make a clear connection between Johto and Shinnoh.

And ORAS made some connection ls with Kalos like the Battle Chatelaines and the Battle Maison being Hoenn native first, the redesigned Mauville being inspired by Lumiose, Hoopa (a Kalos mythical) making islands appear in Hoenn, etc

Wait, do you mean like both Lucario and Manaphy's movies taking place in Kanto while still being Hoenn-centric movies? Or Zoroark's movie taking place in Sinnoh, but with Johto legendaries? Hoopa also brought everything together.
 

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After seeing details of the movie, I no longer think that Zygarde would be in the movie because it mentioned nothing about it. Not to mention Zygarde is being showcased in the XY&Z series with all it's forms. I think it is a shame that Zygarde didn't get to be in the movie but no matter. Anyway, in regards to the AZOTH project, I think Z or whatever it is called would reveal what it is or what it is about.
 
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