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Generation VI: The Future

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No, you are a bit confused.

- ORAS´s post game is quite big. It added much more than what it took, in terms of quantity (BF apart, I already said that). It doesn´t have gym leader rematches but it has Secret Base rematches, which are much, MUCH bigger. You can only rematch 3 Gym leaders daily in Platinum. You can rematch 3 Gym Leaders daily in HGSS. You can rematch as many Secret Bases as you want if you decide to fill your game with them. 20? 40? Or much more. As many as you street pass, or QR code. That alone is much bigger than what HGSS can offer in terms of rematches.

Besides, you have 5 pseudo gym leaders with changing teams in the Battle Resort. It also has the Food Court challenge. And Trainer Eye rematches. And Contests, and Flag collecting, and, of course, Battle Mason. Etc, etc, etc.

- Yes, the new post game area in ORAS is the Battle Resor. It is bigger than Kiloude, so yeah, you are wrong there as well.

- You also have Mirage Spots.

- Most reviews don´t say ORAS is lacking in content. They say it lacks the Battle Frontier. Which is what I said as well. I have read plenty of reviews. They do not criticize ORAS´s post game for being lacking. If anything, some reviews even said ORAS had a lot of content to do in the post game.

- No, ORAS is an absolutely NEUTRAL and PASSIVE element in a discussion about DLC. It doesn´t have DLC. If you want to trash talk about ORAS (not you) you should find a more appropriate discussion for that.
 
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It doesn´t have gym leader rematches but it has Secret Base rematches, which are much, MUCH bigger. You can only rematch 3 Gym leaders daily in Platinum. You can rematch 3 Gym Leaders daily in HGSS. You can rematch as many Secret Bases as you want if you decide to fill your game with them. 20? 40? As many as you street pass, or QR code. That alone is much bigger than what HGSS can offer in terms of rematches, though they are limited to 3 Pokemon per trainer. Besides, you have 5 pseudo gym leaders with changing teams in the Battle Resort.
Super Secret Base rematches are a joke. they're limited to three Pokemon and you never know what you're going to get, making it very much a mixed-bag. i've had more fun in every generation even with the limited gym rematches than i've ever had with Super Secret Base matches. (though, the use of Blissey's is quite convenient.) the Resort trainers are hardly pseudo gym leaders: after all, they still use the standard trainer AI making them just as stupid and easily swept as before.

It also has the Food Court challenge.
that can only be done once a day. Kalos has four restaurants that can be used to your heart content. regression.

And Trainer Eye rematches. Etc, etc, etc.
a bare step-up from Kalos (and Unova), but Gen III and IV also had trainer rematches so, a bare bones addition but nothing revolutionary.

Yes, the new post game area in ORAS is the Battle Resor. It is bigger than Kiloude, so yeah, you are wrong there as well.
in terms of space, yes, the Battle Resort is bigger. though that's easily explained by GameFreak using that space as a shitty (compared to Kalos's) breeding path. you get more mileage out of Kiloude due to the Friend Safari.

You also have Mirage Spots.
which are 1) terribly gimmicky, 2) useless if you already own the Pokemon available there, and 3) another band-aid solution.

Most reviews don´t say ORAS is lacking in content. They say it lacks the Battle Frontier. Which is what I said as well. I have read plenty of reviews. They do not criticize ORAS´s post game for being lacking. If anything, some reviews even said ORAS had a lot of content to do in the post game.
the reviews could not talk about the post-game (to prevent spoiling the Delta Episode, Nintendo blacklisted talking about the post-game), but many reviewers during the days leading up to the release talked about how ORAS's post-game was underwhelming or disappointing.

No, ORAS is an absolutely NEUTRAL and PASSIVE element in a discussion about DLC. It doesn´t have DLC. If you want to trash talk about ORAS (not you) you should find a more appropriate discussion for that.
that's illogical. per your logic, Pokemon fans can't talk about DLC and main series games at all since there's none for main series games. if a player is concerned that DLC will only result in lazier or incomplete games, they have to look no further than Gen VI.
 
Super Secret Base rematches are a joke. they're limited to three Pokemon and you never know what you're going to get, making it very much a mixed-bag. i've had more fun in every generation even with the limited gym rematches than i've ever had with Super Secret Base matches. (though, the use of Blissey's is quite convenient.) the Resort trainers are hardly pseudo gym leaders: after all, they still use the standard trainer AI making them just as stupid and easily swept as before.

It also has the Food Court challenge.
that can only be done once a day. Kalos has four restaurants that can be used to your heart content. regression.

And Trainer Eye rematches. Etc, etc, etc.
a bare step-up from Kalos (and Unova), but Gen III and IV also had trainer rematches so, a bare bones addition but nothing revolutionary.

Yes, the new post game area in ORAS is the Battle Resor. It is bigger than Kiloude, so yeah, you are wrong there as well.
in terms of space, yes, the Battle Resort is bigger. though that's easily explained by GameFreak using that space as a shitty (compared to Kalos's) breeding path. you get more mileage out of Kiloude due to the Friend Safari.

You also have Mirage Spots.
which are 1) terribly gimmicky, 2) useless if you already own the Pokemon available there, and 3) another band-aid solution.

Most reviews don´t say ORAS is lacking in content. They say it lacks the Battle Frontier. Which is what I said as well. I have read plenty of reviews. They do not criticize ORAS´s post game for being lacking. If anything, some reviews even said ORAS had a lot of content to do in the post game.
the reviews could not talk about the post-game (to prevent spoiling the Delta Episode, Nintendo blacklisted talking about the post-game), but many reviewers during the days leading up to the release talked about how ORAS's post-game was underwhelming or disappointing.

No, ORAS is an absolutely NEUTRAL and PASSIVE element in a discussion about DLC. It doesn´t have DLC. If you want to trash talk about ORAS (not you) you should find a more appropriate discussion for that.
that's illogical. per your logic, Pokemon fans can't talk about DLC and main series games at all since there's none for main series games. if a player is concerned that DLC will only result in lazier or incomplete games, they have to look no further than Gen VI.

All your answers are just proving one thing: you don't like the type of content in ORAS, and since I am proving there is A LOT of content in ORAS, all you can say to defend your opinion is saying all that content is a joke, or bad. But even if it was bad,your statement about ORAS being content lacking is still incorrect. The content is all there, and that is A LOT of content, whether it's good or bad in quality in your opinion. You cannot close your eyes when discussing quantity. It might not be of your taste, but there is a lot of post game activities in ORAS.

And you can't say what post game content is good or bad. Remember, even the best post game activity of all time (imo) the BATTLE FRONTIER, is absolutely boring for some fans who consider it a glorified Battle Tower!
About Trainer Eye, it is the best and most efficient rematch system we have had after the VS Seeker. It is not the same as Gen 3 Trainer Eye. Rematches are available much more frequently, and you don't need to call them like in HGSS for example.

And yes, you say it yourself. No past games should be used for an example of Downloadable Content being good or bad. It is ilogical. They have ALL been created without DLC in mind.

JUST ONE MORE THING THOUGH... Are you really trying to say Gym Leader Rematches were some type of a... challenge in your opinion? LOL Their AI is just as easy to defeat as the Type Specialists in the Resort. Saying Super Secret Base Pseudo Gym battles, or Battle Resort Type Specialists are a joke and Gym leader rematches are not a joke, I can not take your opinion seriously. They are ALL equally easy. Because Pokemon games are easy.
 
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All your answers are just proving one thing: you don't like the type of content in ORAS, and since I am proving there is A LOT of content in ORAS, all you can say to defend your opinion is saying all that content is a joke, or bad. But even if it was bad,your statement about ORAS being content lacking is still incorrect. The content is all there, and that is A LOT of content, whether it's good or bad in quality in your opinion. You cannot close your eyes when discussing quantity. It might not be of your taste, but there is a lot of post game activities in ORAS.

And you can't say what post game content is good or bad. Remember, even the best post game activity of all time (imo) the BATTLE FRONTIER, is absolutely boring for some fans who consider it a glorified Battle Tower!
About Trainer Eye, it is the best and most efficient rematch system we have had after the VS Seeker. It is not the same as Gen 3 Trainer Eye. Rematches are available much more frequently, and you don't need to call them like in HGSS for example.

And yes, you say it yourself. No past games should be used for an example of Downloadable Content being good or bad. It is ilogical. They have ALL been created without DLC in mind.

JUST ONE MORE THING THOUGH... Are you really trying to say Gym Leader Rematches were some type of a... challenge in your opinion? LOL Their AI is just as easy to defeat as the Type Specialists in the Resort. Saying Super Secret Base Pseudo Gym battles, or Battle Resort Type Specialists are a joke and Gym leader rematches are not a joke, I can not take your opinion seriously. They are ALL equally easy. Because Pokemon games are easy.

I wouldn't consider some of the content in ORAS actual content. Secret base has a limitation of three pokemon. Gym leader rematches were excluded. Battle Frontier not included but replace by a copy and paste Battle Maison. Pokemon Contests are still pointless. Lucario and Garchomp's mega stone are difficult to get. Mascots are version exclusives. Delta Episode was just flying to old areas, battling previous foes and Zinnia who I don't like. Cresselia is hard to find unlike other legendaries. ORAS made it so that all non-event pokemon are made available between the current four gen 6 games which left nothing for the next game. Soaring was taken from Ranger 3. Rayquaza stopping a meteor/asteroid was taken from Red/Blue Mystery Dungeon game. Most of Emerald's content has been cut. No battle between both mascots in Sootopolis in their primal states and no Rayquaza to go mega to stop them. There are too many legendary pokemon in ORAS. The idea of alternate universes in Pokemon series.

What I am trying to say is ORAS may have a number of features, many of them are flawed and not perfect. I think B2W2 had the most features in a game and had the best post game of the pokemon series. I just hope they have another mythical pokemon made available in the next pokemon game so I can trade it to my previous games or else I'll blame ORAS for the lack of new pokemon.
 
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All your answers are just proving one thing: you don't like the type of content in ORAS, and since I am proving there is A LOT of content in ORAS, all you can say to defend your opinion is saying all that content is a joke, or bad. But even if it was bad,your statement about ORAS being content lacking is still incorrect. The content is all there, and that is A LOT of content, whether it's good or bad in quality in your opinion. You cannot close your eyes when discussing quantity. It might not be of your taste, but there is a lot of post game activities in ORAS.

And you can't say what post game content is good or bad. Remember, even the best post game activity of all time (imo) the BATTLE FRONTIER, is absolutely boring for some fans who consider it a glorified Battle Tower!
About Trainer Eye, it is the best and most efficient rematch system we have had after the VS Seeker. It is not the same as Gen 3 Trainer Eye. Rematches are available much more frequently, and you don't need to call them like in HGSS for example.

And yes, you say it yourself. No past games should be used for an example of Downloadable Content being good or bad. It is ilogical. They have ALL been created without DLC in mind.

JUST ONE MORE THING THOUGH... Are you really trying to say Gym Leader Rematches were some type of a... challenge in your opinion? LOL Their AI is just as easy to defeat as the Type Specialists in the Resort. Saying Super Secret Base Pseudo Gym battles, or Battle Resort Type Specialists are a joke and Gym leader rematches are not a joke, I can not take your opinion seriously. They are ALL equally easy. Because Pokemon games are easy.

I wouldn't consider some of the content in ORAS actual content. Secret base has a limitation of three pokemon. Gym leader rematches were excluded. Battle Frontier not included but replace by a copy and paste Battle Maison. Pokemon Contests are still pointless. Lucario and Garchomp's mega stone are difficult to get. Mascots are version exclusives. Delta Episode was just flying to old areas, battling previous foes and Zinnia who I don't like. Cresselia is hard to find unlike other legendaries. ORAS made it so that all non-event pokemon are made available between the current four gen 6 games which left nothing for the next game. Soaring was taken from Ranger 3. Rayquaza stopping a meteor/asteroid was taken from Red/Blue Mystery Dungeon game. Most of Emerald's content has been cut. No battle between both mascots in Sootopolis in their primal states and no Rayquaza to go mega to stop them. There are too many legendary pokemon in ORAS. The idea of alternate universes in Pokemon series.

What I am trying to say is ORAS may have a number of features, many of them are flawed and not perfect. I think B2W2 had the most features in a game and had the best post game of the pokemon series. I just hope they have another mythical pokemon made available in the next pokemon game so I can trade it to my previous games or else I'll blame ORAS for the lack of new pokemon.

You gave MANY reasons for which you dislike ORAS, and NONE of them has to do with the AMOUNT OF CONTENT that ORAS offers. All the reasons to dislike ORAS you give are all valid, but are all 100% SUBJECTIVE and PERSONAL. I share practically none of them.

You can criticize ORAS' content all you want, if you find it bad in terms of quality. But you can't criticize the QUANTITY of content ORAS offers. And most of you guys are doing the exact same error: You say ORAS has a small amount of content, when you should say it's uninteresting or flawed,or boring for you, but never small in quantity.

Imo, ORAS content is good in both Quality and Quantity. And while the quality is completely debatable, because it is a subjective concept and we can all have different opinions, the quantity of content is not really debatable because it is an objective concept and all you have to do is count the amount of different features that the game offers. And it offers a lot of content, and diverse content, so saying it is content lacking is not true.

I'm not saying you can't criticize ORAS for it's content, you are free to like it or find it shit, but you you can't say it is content lacking because that's false.
 
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No offence people... But this thread is about speculating about the next games to come out - not about dwelling about how good or bad the past games are. Can you discuss that in another proper thread? Even more, can the moderators move this conversation out of this thread? It's turning poisonous here...
 
Ok.......so back to a speculative topic I guess........I saw a theory a few pages back I think (can't remember who said it) about the announcement coming in some form next week around the 29th then having screen shots in CoroCoro, and finally a full trailer on the variety show with Masuda. I for one love that theory. It not only gives us solid info as soon as next week, but spreads the fun out a few weeks so we can discuss what we're seeing without feeling rushed or strung along anymore than we already have been. I'm Just baffled by how Game Freak and TPCI have been handling this run up to the new game. It's very out of the ordinary that they would have all this straight up merchandise b4 the actual game is announced. Sure in the past they've had little silhouettes with question marks on them b4 they announced new games, but this merchandise is of an already announced form and u'd think they'd at least hint that a game announcement is coming instead of stringing us along like this lol Well hopefully we get interesting stuff by next Thursday and we can stop all the arguing about ambiguous "hints" that may or may not b there. Speculating is fine, but some of the conversations going around not only here, but on other websites r getting ridiculous hahaha
 
So no one wants to discuss the fact that ash greninja is clearly a new level of mega evolution? I mean that is a pretty huge development, with the trailer showing what is clearly their two selvew synchronizing together. God I cant wait to find out what it is.

I would love to!

I'm not sure if I'm gonna jump and link it alongside Mega Evolution just yet, but it's definitely a new power-up based on the strong bond between Trainer and Pokemon. Have we reached an answer to Full Synchro?

As for the bring up of DLC... Yes, if done right, a potential slew of new content can be patched into the game. I'd be for it. Hell, I'd put down a few bucks for "legacy outfits" of previous PC and trainer classes of older games (those Unova Elite Trainers & Veteran outfits) if they were in sets or free to dl but at an very high cost in game.

But that's definitely something to more wonder about in possible generations to come given GFs current stance on DLC which is sorta a pot calling the kettle black given their usual methods.
 
And the half-starved Pokemon fandom continues to cannibalize itself~

You know, I've heard that one way to help make yourself a somewhat happier person is to go into things with little to no expectations. This situation is no different. I have no idea what's going on or what's going to happen, and to be honest, I don't think there's much of a point in talking about it til we've got some actual solid news. Otherwise... *glances through the last few pages* Crap like that will happen, and it's good for no one.
 
And the half-starved Pokemon fandom continues to cannibalize itself~

You know, I've heard that one way to help make yourself a somewhat happier person is to go into things with little to no expectations. This situation is no different. I have no idea what's going on or what's going to happen, and to be honest, I don't think there's much of a point in talking about it til we've got some actual solid news. Otherwise... *glances through the last few pages* Crap like that will happen, and it's good for no one.

Don't forget that this is a forum, people are free to discuss whatever they like.
And besides, I think speculation is a good thing, cause it brings up new ideas. Of course, not all ideas will work out, but tPC has always been loyal to its fans - in my opinion - so they are willing to listen to their fans.

Maybe you don't like speculating about the next games, but other people do.
(Don't get me wrong here: I respect your approach in all of this as well)
 
Don't forget that this is a forum, people are free to discuss whatever they like.
And besides, I think speculation is a good thing, cause it brings up new ideas. Of course, not all ideas will work out, but tPC has always been loyal to its fans - in my opinion - so they are willing to listen to their fans.

Maybe you don't like speculating about the next games, but other people do.
(Don't get me wrong here: I respect your approach in all of this as well)
i think what they're saying is that speculation is fine, just don't let it turn into expectations. speculation turning into expectation is what lead people to be so upset/disappointed when the announcement at Worlds was actually for Pokken and when October's CoroCoro didn't reveal a new game.
 
If nothing shows up on the 29th of October, the next best bet is the 15th of November or December. I heard that Junichi Masuda is to appear in Pokémon No Uchi on the 15th next month. It could be news worthy but I am going to not expect anything until we get the news. Game announcement might not be announced on October 29th to avoid taking attention of the XY&Z series and mega evolution special but that is my opinion. Of course the games could come out of the blue without warning but we'll see.
 
At the end of the last anime episode, the was a huge green 'Z' in the middle of the screen with the 'to be continued.' There was no XY with it. Surely that's more evidence for Pokémon Z?
 
The more other media use Z, the less likely it becomes for Game Freak to be the last to do so. It's naive to think that they want the announcement to be so blatantly predictable.
 
Its just a way to signify the Z chapter of the Qnime has begun, simple as that. I do think however that the appearance of Masuda for Pokechi or whatever its called is a sign of something coming. Its his first appearance on the show, so that can also be why he tweeted it, but this is also amidst the craziest and most silent period since I dunno, 2007,2011, when it comes to the franchise? Yeah, I think he knows whathe is doing with that tweet.
 
We got about a week left of this month and until the new anime season starts, time sure flies don't it? If we don't hear ANYTHING before the end of this month, I'm banking on Masuda's appearance on Pokenchi next month.

Come to think of it... is there any chance of them doing a surprise reveal on Pokenchi this weekend or the weekend before the 15th? I'm asking this because doesn't Game Freak usually like to announce the games before the following CoroCoro issue gives out details of the game? If it were to actually be announced on Masuda's Pokenchi episode, the CoroCoro leaks would come before the 15th because that day falls on a Sunday.
 
Come to think of it... is there any chance of them doing a surprise reveal on Pokenchi this weekend or the weekend before the 15th? I'm asking this because doesn't Game Freak usually like to announce the games before the following CoroCoro issue gives out details of the game?
It's unlikely that any game will be revealed on a Japanese show or magazine now that the releases are worldwide. Masuda's appearance may have to do with an announcement, but if so, it will happen after the fact.
 
What if nothing comes this month and that 15th of November is also nothing much? What if we receive news only early next year?
 
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