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Gold and Silver DS: Discussion, Debate, Wishlists

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@ dman_dustin: Yes, I missundertood you. Sorry for that =(

Still, I think the "exercise Pokémon" as a reason for giving you a Pokémon is bad as a cold =O but that's just my personal opinion.

And again the exercise isn't so you get the Pokemon but for the Pokemon to bond with you. I mean I did hear walking with your Pokemon in the amity square actually increases it's happiness rating, so how would this be different? And also again, Elm doesn't give you the Pokemon because you exercised it but as a favor for retrieving the egg from Mr. Pokemon and because it's happy with you as well which isn't at all different in the first place. Exercise was the only excuse to have said Pokemon follow you without actually giving it to you making you the OT.
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Hold on are you saying exercise is a horrible reason for the starter to follow you in the first place? Then why else would it follow you? If it hated the Poke ball, then that makes the whole introductory starter Pokemon following you argument moot. Oh and fresh air is the same thing as exercise if that's what you would argue.


I think there are too many contradictions being made. Ignore that "cake" thing you may have read.

Edit: By many contradictions, I don't think you can argue on so many layers, and not come up with something yourself. Veggietable what exactly are you arguing for the starter Pokemon following you. Is it some introductory thing for you or is it a Pokemon Yellow Pikachu thing for you. I'm sorry but I was just playing Devil's advocate. But I believe in the Pokemon yellow Pikachu thing. I was arguing my point by saying only this particular thing could happen if it was some introductory thing.
 
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And again the exercise isn't so you get the Pokemon but for the Pokemon to bond with you. (...) And also again, Elm doesn't give you the Pokemon because you exercised it but as a favor for retrieving the egg from Mr. Pokemon and because it's happy with you as well which isn't at all different in the first place. Exercise was the only excuse to have said Pokemon follow you without actually giving it to you making you the OT.

OK so you're now saying the exercise was just the reason to follow you araound and not for Elm giving it to you? I didn't say exercise was a bad reason for making the Pokémon follow you (actually that's good for me), I said it's a bad reason for getting it, which is what you originally said. This argument started because you didn't say it was the reason for following you, you clearly said it was the reason why Elm gave it to you:

They could easily have some storyline about how Elm is like:

Elm: Uh-oh one of these Poke balls moved, do you know which one it is?
*Player Chooses Starter*
Elm- Oh so it was Chikorita? I guess Chikorita wants to go for a walk. Oh right, which reminds me, I'd like you to go see a colleague of mine, Mr. Pokemon, he has something important that he'd like me to see. So why don't you take Chikorita along with you so it can get some exercise.

So in that story you make it seem as Elm gives you the Pokémon just for exercise purposes. Either the contradiction is yours, or you didn't express what you really meant. If Elm gives you the Pokémon for any other reason (the errand as in the originals, for example) and just suggests you to take it out of its Pokéball and let him walk around (thus justificating why it walks behind you) as you just said on your last post, it is OK for me. But that's not what you originally stated. Just explain yourself the next time =D
 

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But that's not what you originally stated. Just explain yourself the next time =D

I thought I did (this is what I said in my first "exercise" post).

They could easily have some storyline about how Elm is like:

Elm: Uh-oh one of these Poke balls moved, do you know which one it is?
*Player Chooses Starter*
Elm- Oh so it was Chikorita? I guess Chikorita wants to go for a walk. Oh right, which reminds me, I'd like you to go see a colleague of mine, Mr. Pokemon, he has something important that he'd like me to see. So why don't you take Chikorita along with you so it can get some exercise.

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Elm: Thank you for bringing me this egg...Oh how cute it looks like that Chikorita has grown attached to you. How about this as thanks for retrieving this Pokemon egg, why don't you keep that Chikorita. No, no it's quite all right, I'm sure Chikorita will grow better with you then it would be staying here.

Read it again and especially read the bold part. He doesn't officially give it you until then. Elm just mentioned exercise as a game reason excuse for it to bond with you in the first place, and in my second post after you argued, I said it could be because Elm doesn't understand the real implied reason for the Poke ball shaking in the first place. He just assumes its because Chikorita looks bored and exercise would help it not look bored. And if Exercise is such a horrible reason for that then why not a "mini quest"

And also the whole Mr. Pokemon was just another reason for Chikorita getting the exercise. No doubt if Mr. Pokemon wasn't involved he wouldn't know what to with the bored Chikorita. You were his perfect patsy in that case and dumped the Pokemon on you rather then finding another solution.
 

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Well then the bold part contradicts the first one. Or either the first paragraph was not well written (as I said in my previous post, in the first part you make it seem that Elm gives you the Pokémon just for the excercise, wether you really meant it or not. Now it's revealed that wasn't your true intention). But as I said, if that's what you really meant, it's alright for me. I think we can go ahead now, don't you agree? Cheers.

By the way, the new arrange mix for New Bark Town's music sounds identical to that of Twin Leaf. I suppose the rest of the music will follow the same way (that's so Captain Obvious!)
 

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Well then the bold part contradicts the first one. Or either the first paragraph was not well written (as I said in my previous post, in the first part you make it seem that Elm gives you the Pokémon just for the excercise, wether you really meant it or not. Now it's revealed that wasn't your true intention). But as I said, if that's what you really meant, it's alright for me. I think we can go ahead now, don't you agree? Cheers.

By the way, the new arrange mix for New Bark Town's music sounds identical to that of Twin Leaf. I suppose the rest of the music will follow the same way (that's so Captain Obvious!)

No no, he lends you the Pokemon so it gets exercise, so yeah I guess I didn't phrase it right. But then again I thought "Take Chikorita along with you to get some exercise" would serve the same purpose of letting you borrow it so it could "bond" with you. Elm as a person wouldn't let you borrow it so it could bond with with you, but its the game's reason for why said Pokemon does bond with you.

And also another thing you probably need to know about me, is I usually don't come up with some things until after I post something. So yes I did just post the non bold part in the very very beginning my first post but I guess subconsciously I figured I had to add that addendum, because I left it too open. So I edited my post and added the "Later" part to close the interpretation. But I only had the addendum in the first place to conclude what happened after going to Mr. Pokemon and to imply why the Pokemon goes back into the Poke ball (because he gives it to you). I guess now, it serves another purpose.
 

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B) Amity Park is presented as a privately-owned, regulated area - you're in there, you follow the rules, and the rules stipulate certain Pokémon. But I highly doubt there's a New Bark Town Homeowner's Association that would stipulate what Pokémon you can and can't have trailing behind you at any given time in a public space. Species limits based on anything but size wouldn't make any sense at all.

We see Pokemon out of their Pokeballs all the time owned by trainers, I can think of several examples accross the entire franchise off the top of my head (Jigglypuff in Mt. Moon, Pikachu in the Sinnoh Battle Frontier, Slowbro in Cerulean City, Doduo in Saffron City, Farfetch'd in Illex Forest, Slowpoke in Azalea Town) so there's already the question of why NPCs are allowed to have their Pokemon out of balls but the main character isn't. I'd be able to find more if Bulbapedia was working. So why would you need a special park to walk your Pokemon anyways, since everyone but the main character seems to do it all the time?

If the trainer is willing to let their Pokémon out of their balls to walk with the trainer, why would they be allowed to do so with some but not others?

Just add in someone mentioning that certain Pokemon like to be out of their Pokeballs like they did with Pikachu and you've got your excuse right there.
 
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Just add in someone mentioning that certain Pokemon like to be out of their Pokeballs like they did with Pikachu and you've got your excuse right there.
Your *starter of choice* seems to like you a lot! So much that it always wants to be by your side. I think its a good idea to leave it out of its ball. So its the same lines just a bit different.
 

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Your *starter of choice* seems to like you a lot! So much that it always wants to be by your side. I think its a good idea to leave it out of its ball. So its the same lines just a bit different.

And for the Amity Square Pokemon (and probably a few mascots from Johto like Pichu and Togepi, you could just need to have it in your first slot and talk to some woman and she'll go "That Pokemon you have there! It seems like it wants to get some exercise, would you like to let it out for a while?" and for any other Pokemon she'll say something like "That Pokemon you have there! It seems so content in its Pokeball."
 

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And for the Amity Square Pokemon (and probably a few mascots from Johto like Pichu and Togepi, you could just need to have it in your first slot and talk to some woman and she'll go "That Pokemon you have there! It seems like it wants to get some exercise, would you like to let it out for a while?" and for any other Pokemon she'll say something like "That Pokemon you have there! It seems so content in its Pokeball."
Yeah. I would love to walk around with a notch ear pichu. So then in vein of this news:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15787262&postcount=730
Who do you think breeds to create it?
 

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No but I mean while the female will be Pikachu what would the male be?
 

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If you read the neogaf post it is not a gender difference. It could be though but it seems less likely.
 

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The New Bark Town screens didn't give me too much Johto feel at first. They are too Twinleaf-ish. But... the wind. It's awesome! New Bark has always been described as the "place where winds begin blow". And I'm disappointed by the fact that the trees are so wide... Well, but I can live with it. Not bad.

And I also DO NOT like the fact that the starter is following the trainer like Pikachu in Yellow. I hope it's just a new option and that the Pokemon may go into the PokeBall if you want.

I also expect them to reveal more. Like the character arts. We can now only judge that Gold and Silver will look almost exactly like their GSC counterparts. The girl character will probably Crystal, also not too redesigned...
 

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I wanna know where the scans are. Its practically 6PM over there already. Should scans be in by tomorrow?
 

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If you read the neogaf post it is not a gender difference. It could be though but it seems less likely.

How is it less likely then when Gender Differences were added to old Pokemon when the 4th gen came? I don't think they were going to add gender differences to every single Pokemon that had a gender, they were probably pressed for time, and so they just chose a selected number of Pokemon to add Gender Differences to Pokemon.
 

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We see Pokemon out of their Pokeballs all the time owned by trainers, I can think of several examples accross the entire franchise off the top of my head (Jigglypuff in Mt. Moon, Pikachu in the Sinnoh Battle Frontier, Slowbro in Cerulean City, Doduo in Saffron City, Farfetch'd in Illex Forest, Slowpoke in Azalea Town) so there's already the question of why NPCs are allowed to have their Pokemon out of balls but the main character isn't. I'd be able to find more if Bulbapedia was working. So why would you need a special park to walk your Pokemon anyways, since everyone but the main character seems to do it all the time?

You do realize I'm not arguing this point at all, right? :| All I'm questioning is why, if they were to allow any Pokémon out of their balls, it would be limited to a few different species, as you earlier seemed to suggest. Nothing else.
 

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You do realize I'm not arguing this point at all, right? :| All I'm questioning is why, if they were to allow any Pokémon out of their balls, it would be limited to a few different species, as you earlier seemed to suggest. Nothing else.
Probably because the developers would need to create overworld sprites for each and every Pokémon.

Then again now that they are going to add aesthetic differences for each and every parent ...
 
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Then again now that they are going to add aesthetic differences for each and every parent ...
That hasn't been conclusively proved yet, though. The only evidence for that seems to be merely conjecture of the part of a well educated observer; most likely a false source, albeit one with a good deal of knowledge behind he speculation.
 
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