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Gold and Silver DS: Discussion, Debate, Wishlists

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I have a feeling your starter is not going to follow you anywhere and everywhere. It's probably out of it's Pokéball only for some script/event, and is likely to disappear immediately after you complete the said event.

Right now, we don't really know. So far we have only seen a chickorita out of its pokeball, no other pokemon. So who knows what that was all about just yet?

As for new formes appearing in these remakes, highly doubtful. With the breeding going to introduce visual differences with pokemon, this will do away new formes for the moment. Take spinda and its spots, it did not have new formes for each spot, just the same pokemon with visual change in its spots.
 

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As for new formes appearing in these remakes, highly doubtful. With the breeding going to introduce visual differences with pokemon, this will do away new formes for the moment. Take spinda and its spots, it did not have new formes for each spot, just the same pokemon with visual change in its spots.

Yeah, but they need a 13th movie, and a new Forme would be the only way to have a promotional Pokemon for it.
 

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Yeah, but they need a 13th movie, and a new Forme would be the only way to have a promotional Pokemon for it.

There's not really anything stopping them from pulling a movie 8 Mew and bringing back an otherwise unobtainable event legendary. They've got Celebi, who is already extremely difficult to get hold of, and an in-game event from Crystal to put to good use.
 

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Yeah, but they need a 13th movie, and a new Forme would be the only way to have a promotional Pokemon for it.

Manaphy says hello and besides they could just bring back celebi for the movie or even have a specially bred pokemon with stats and interesting looks if that what the breeding does in remakes, viausl differences in pokemon more.

Besides, if the manaphy movie was an excellent movie, which is was not IMO, would not having an event pokemon for a main game, for it done that much?
 

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Manaphy says hello and besides they could just bring back celebi for the movie or even have a specially bred pokemon with stats and interesting looks if that what the breeding does in remakes, viausl differences in pokemon more.

Hrm? Manaphy WAS a promotional Pokemon for Pokemon Ranger that was ported over to DPP.

Besides, if the manaphy movie was an excellent movie, which is was not IMO, would not having an event pokemon for a main game, for it done that much?

GameFreak went from 1 event per generation, to 2, now to four (Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus) - I think they're in love with the idea and are designing each movie around an event Pokemon on purpose.
 

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I would like to note my reservations about Notched-ear Pichu being the result of new gender differences or breeding variations. In either case, not only would it be available via normal gameplay, but it would presumably be easier to obtain than its shiny counterpart: the Pikachu-colored Pichu. Now, what could be the point of an event for the Pikachu-colored Pichu, which isn't even going to appear in the movie, be other than using it as a pre-cursor to Notched-ear Pichu? Why would it be holding an Everstone otherwise? Most importantly, why would it be confirmed to be related to Notched-ear Pichu through game artwork?

Having the shiny Pichu evolve only to breed it with a suitable mate to produce Notched-ear Pichu, wouldn't come across as logical, either. It is obviously meant to be paired as-is with Notched-ear Pichu, and from the looks of things, the movie isn't going to be the medium through which their relationship will be shown. To that end, an in-game event in the vein of Platinum's Regis quest, would be the most sensible solution.

There's not really anything stopping them from pulling a movie 8 Mew and bringing back an otherwise unobtainable event legendary. They've got Celebi, who is already extremely difficult to get hold of,
Much like the event Pokémon debuting in movies, Mew had been completely unobtainable before Movie 8 changed that, but that isn't the case for Celebi now. In Japan, it was the last event Pokémon for the GBA versions in 2006, and the Pokémon Company advertised the promotion as being meant for Diamond and Pearl (owing to Pal Park, which had already been confirmed as a feature). Furthermore, for the 2007 movie promotion, a poll was conducted asking Japanese fans which Pokémon from previous movie titles should be distributed. Obviously, Celebi was one of the choices, but Deoxys won by popular vote instead (most likely due to the fact that it had only been distributed once, in 2004, and was limited to players who had either FireRed or LeafGreen at the time).

I don't see the Pokémon Company announcing Celebi as Movie 10's main event Pokémon not long after realizing that it wasn't even the best idea for a secondary event Pokémon. While I would imagine that it would be chosen now if the poll were conducted again (after Deoxys' availability has received a significant boost), would it really be good enough for the main promotion? Leaving that query aside, what would have happened if Celebi had already been covered by Movie 7? It is quite clear that Game Freak had already started HeartGold and SoulSilver's development by that time, so in view of that, would the Pokémon Company have risked exhausting Celebi's potential too soon if there had been even the slightest notion of using it for another movie by the end of Generation IV?

I honestly doubt that an alternate form would come across as a viable solution to the problem, but in Zeta's defense it would at least be somewhat better than an unaltered Celebi. There is still the matter of Celebi having already been featured as a title character, in contrast to Mew which was a secondary character in its first appearance (Movie 1).

and an in-game event from Crystal to put to good use.
That wouldn't have anything to do with the movie promotion even if Celebi itself did. The direct download method has allowed the company to utilize the Classic Ribbon, thereby making it impossible for players to forego the promotion and get the event Pokémon through the GTS. That, combined with the OT and the note about being obtained in a Pokémon movie, is also a means for players to show off their present. The existing method works too well for it to be dropped next year.

In fact, another Celebi movie would render the GS Ball inaccessible until after the movie premiere, much to the detriment of the multitude of players who have wanted it since Crystal came out.

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Manaphy says hello
It was distributed to players in promotion of its movie, and was made a playable character only three months after.

specially bred pokemon with stats and interesting looks if that what the breeding does in remakes, viausl differences in pokemon more.
That screams "secondary promotion" in my book. It is no coincidence that the Pikachu-colored Pichu hasn't taken Arceus' place for Movie 12.

Besides, if the manaphy movie was an excellent movie, which is was not IMO, would not having an event pokemon for a main game, for it done that much?
Restricting Manaphy's event to a spin-off game, Ranger, also entailed having the elements of that game be carried over to the movie. The fact that the main featured character was a Pokémon Ranger, rather than another legendary Pokémon, had a lot to do with the plot's shortcomings.
 
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I would like to note my reservations about Notched-ear Pichu being the result of new gender differences or breeding variations. In either case, not only would it be available via normal gameplay, but it would presumably be easier to obtain than its shiny counterpart: the Pikachu-colored Pichu. Now, what could be the point of an event for the Pikachu-colored Pichu, which isn't even going to appear in the movie, be other than using it as a pre-cursor to Notched-ear Pichu? Why would it be holding an Everstone otherwise? Most importantly, why would it be confirmed to be related to Notched-ear Pichu through game artwork?

Having the shiny Pichu evolve only to breed it with a suitable mate to produce Notched-ear Pichu, wouldn't come across as logical, either. It is obviously meant to be paired as-is with Notched-ear Pichu, and from the looks of things, the movie isn't going to be the medium through which their relationship will be shown. To that end, an in-game event in the vein of Platinum's Regis quest, would be the most sensible solution.

Why would anyone go through a quest simply to get a Pichu with a different ear? If Notched Ear Pichu were a sign of the big debut of breeding differences, then it would be a big deal and be natural for it to be promoted - as Togepi was the representative for Baby Pokemon and Breeding. The relation between the friendship of a Shiny Pokemon (the first type of graphical variation introduced in the games) and a Pokemon heralding a new age of Pokemon variation would be obvious.

If it was just a small variation in a single species of Pokemon requiring a quest to complete, I can't imagine anyone giving a damn.
 

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Zeta said:
Why would anyone go through a quest simply to get a Pichu with a different ear?
First of all, it has been said that more details about Notched-ear Pichu in general, and its relationship to the Pikachu-colored Pichu in particular, will be revealed. There definitely seems to be more about it than meets the eye, and I expect that to be true regardless of how it is obtained. That said, I highly doubt that its secret is limited to being fathered by an Absol.

Secondly, a short quest that made an event Pokémon usable, wouldn't be anymore arduous than going through with the breeding arrangements.

The relation between the friendship of a Shiny Pokemon (the first type of graphical variation introduced in the games) and a Pokemon heralding a new age of Pokemon variation would be obvious.
Why would it even have to be pointed out, then? Why do players need to be given a shiny Pichu to have an epiphany about other physical differences?
 

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Yeah, Size isn't an issue. A DS cart can hold about 2GB, and all the 4th Gen releases so far have been > 500 MB.

So size definitely isn't an issue.

Where are you getting those numbers?

The largest DS cards cap at 256MB, and have only been used a few times. There's no way D/P/Pt were anything larger than than that.

Which does beg the question, do you think Kanto will return? Or will it be replaced by something smaller?
 

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Where are you getting those numbers?

The largest DS cards cap at 256MB, and have only been used a few times. There's no way D/P/Pt were anything larger than than that.

Which does beg the question, do you think Kanto will return? Or will it be replaced by something smaller?

Kanto will return, it would not be GSC remake without Kanto.

Look here:

It says if you scroll down: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS

Nintendo DS games use a proprietary solid state ROM "game card" format resembling the memory cards used in other portable electronic devices such as digital cameras. It currently supports cards up to 256 MB in size (with ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat being the first DS game to use a 2 gigabit card).

so you see it is possible to go as far as 2GB on a DS Cart, ASH was the first game to do ot and Pokemon could have done it if game freak really wanted, so a lot of stuff could be added. But I'd still like to know the exact size of cart that Platinum used, since it had more stuff in it than Diamond or Pearl.
 

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so you see it is possible to go as far as 2GB on a DS Cart, ASH was the first game to do ot and Pokemon could have done it if game freak really wanted, so a lot of stuff could be added. But I'd still like to know the exact size of cart that Platinum used, since it had more stuff in it than Diamond or Pearl.

You mean 2Gb, 2 Gigabits. That's different from 2GB, 2 Gigabytes. In conventional modern usage, a byte is 8 bits. One gigabyte is equivalent to eight gigabits.
 

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You mean 2Gb, 2 Gigabits. That's different from 2GB, 2 Gigabytes. In conventional modern usage, a byte is 8 bits. One gigabyte is equivalent to eight gigabits.

True. So d.aisuke messed ups the terms. But he still was right about the proportions: he said Pokémon Platinum was 500 MB out of possible 2 GB, a fourth of the cartridge's total space. And that holds true: the games are 512 Mb (megabits; 64 MB), a fourth of the possible 2 Gb (256 MB) a DS cart can stand.
 

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Man, I really hope they're gonna add the GS ball sidequest for catching Celebi from Japanese Crystal. And was Deoxys' data discovered by hacking in R/S before FR/LG were released? If so, I doubt there's gonna be another new event pokémon for the remakes.

Game Freak is able to create overworld sprites for every pokémon but it's possible they don´t want to do it for every single pokémon. That reminds me, do you remember how you could see the pokémon you left in the daycare center in its front yard? Of course, some species shared the same overworld sprite back then but I was hoping they'd keep that feature intact and not change the daycare center like it was in other games. If they're willing to create an overworld sprite for each and every pokémon because of the daycare, then they'd probably allow us to freely choose the pokémon walking with us.

EDIT: Or maybe they'll limit your choice of pokémon walking with you like this: you wouldn't be able to have a huge pokémon walking with you in narrow spaces (because it wouldn't fit) and to progress you gotta change the pokémon tagging along with you or turn the feature off.
 
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Just reading this: http://www.softsailor.com/news/2442...remakes-heading-to-nintendo-ds-this-fall.html

The Pokemon Heart Gold and Pokemon Soul Silver will be available this fall for Nintendo DS users, an event which will bring massive joy to all Pokemon fans. I remind you that Pokemon Gold and Pokemon Silver were sold in about 23 million copies around the world, and these remakes should sell at least as much as the original games.

This is not the first time we see Pokemon remakes as a while ago, the Pokemon Red and Pokemon Green were reviewed, and Gameboy Advance received Pokemon Fire Red and Pokemon Leaf Green.

In the Pokemon Heart Gold and Soul Silver remakes, Nintendo DS users will receive a lot of new additions, new elements, and of course, a new Pokemon.

So a new pokemon coming in these games then? Would this be the NEP by any chance or a completely new pokemon? It would do as some suggest and make up for movie 13, but there is nothing yet known about if there is a new pokemon, anything about it and how it will appear and so on. Thinking that restricting one pokemon from being traded to D/P/Pt won't do very much would it? I should have thought of that sooner, just one. Many pokemon not being allowed to trade would mess things up with trading, not one.

This was the translation of the Japanese text posted on pokemon.co.jp:

The popular RPG series in November 1999 as the first Game Boy was released on Monday (GB) software for Pocket Monsters Gold, Silver, Nintendo DS is a remake for the Gold, Silver, Heart of Seoul, was released in the fall as that is 7 days, according to police. 新要素を追加して、10年ぶりに“ジョウト地方”が復活する。 To add a new element, 10 years after "local JOUTO" resurrection.

初代シリーズの『ポケットモンスター 赤・緑・青・ピカチュウ』に続き、初の新規シリーズとして全世界で2300万本という驚異的な売上げを記録した『金・銀』が遂に復活。 The first series of red, green and blue Pokemon Pikachu's more, the world's first all new 2300 series has an astonishing record sales of 10,000 gold, silver, finally revived. GB版には登場しなかったモンスターをはじめ、様々な新要素が追加される。 GB version, including the monster did not appear, and new elements are added.

ポケモンシリーズとしては、初代『赤・緑』が2004年に『ファイアレッド・リーフグリーン』としてゲームボーイアドバンス(GBA)向けに発売されて以来、今作がリメイク第2弾。 As POKEMONSHIRIZU, red, green is the first in 2004, Fire Red, Leaf Green for Game Boy Advance (GBA) has been released for the remake of his two series. またGBからGBAだった『赤・緑』とは異なり、今作はGBからGBAを飛び超えいきなりDSになることもあり、グラフィック、サウンド共に大幅なパワーアップになることは間違いなさそうだ。 GB from the GBA was also red and green, unlike GB's now over the sudden jump from the GBA to the DS in graphics, can be both a significant power-up looks間違INA sound. 詳細は随時、公式サイトなどで公開される。 More frequently, and is published in the Official Site.

I am curious to know what " including the monster did not appear" is all about

You mean 2Gb, 2 Gigabits. That's different from 2GB, 2 Gigabytes. In conventional modern usage, a byte is 8 bits. One gigabyte is equivalent to eight gigabits.

1 Gigabyte = 1024 Megabytes which in bits is 8,589,934,592 Bits if we want to get technical. So 2 Gigabytes is 2048MB which is 17,179,869,184 bits so we are talking 2GBs on one DS card right?

Also this page has messed up again!
 
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So a new pokemon coming in these games then? Would this be the NEP by any chance or a completely new pokemon? It would do as some suggest and make up for movie 13, but there is nothing yet known about if there is a new pokemon, anything about it and how it will appear and so on. Thinking that restricting one pokemon from being traded to D/P/Pt won't do very much would it? I should have thought of that sooner, just one. Many pokemon not being allowed to trade would mess things up with trading, not one.
It's probably a new form or something like that. They said the same thing with Rotom. New Pokemon should go in a new game not in remakes.
 

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493 tag along Pokemon. (I have a LV. 100 EV trained Lugia behind my back. Prepare to die!)

This is one of the things I can't see. We have only seen a chickorita following the player. We don't know more than that yet and even if all pokemon following the player could be possible, I still doubt they would add them all, be like Amnity square pokemon or something IMO.

It's probably a new form or something like that. They said the same thing with Rotom. New Pokemon should go in a new game not in remakes.

I agree with you on new gens getting new pokemon, not current ones that were done already, but adding one pokemon would not do much would it? Maybe it is a new forme, can't wait to find out though
 

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Something about your translated posts seems to screw up the format of the thread, Shinx. Can you check your formatting and see if there's something wrong with the quote tags?

And that first article you cited is nothing more than jsut a blurb parroting all the other releases - I highly doubt the person who wrote it has any idea about any new Pokémon, and fro the sound if it it seems like they don't even play the games. The "of course, a new Pokémon" is probably observation of NEP, or just a random phrase thrown in because they think that's how it always works, or even a grammatical error - they could have been trying to say just "new Pokémon" instead of "a new Pokémon". There are a couple of other grammatical errors in the document, and they may be under the impression that it's an entire new generation - all in all, it's evidence of nothing, and the person who wrote it probably has no idea what they're talking about.
 

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Game Freak is able to create overworld sprites for every pokémon but it's possible they don´t want to do it for every single pokémon. That reminds me, do you remember how you could see the pokémon you left in the daycare center in its front yard? Of course, some species shared the same overworld sprite back then but I was hoping they'd keep that feature intact and not change the daycare center like it was in other games. If they're willing to create an overworld sprite for each and every pokémon because of the daycare, then they'd probably allow us to freely choose the pokémon walking with us.
Now that you mention it it really sounds plausible.
 

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Something about your translated posts seems to screw up the format of the thread, Shinx. Can you check your formatting and see if there's something wrong with the quote tags?

And that first article you cited is nothing more than jsut a blurb parroting all the other releases - I highly doubt the person who wrote it has any idea about any new Pokémon, and fro the sound if it it seems like they don't even play the games. The "of course, a new Pokémon" is probably observation of NEP, or just a random phrase thrown in because they think that's how it always works, or even a grammatical error - they could have been trying to say just "new Pokémon" instead of "a new Pokémon". There are a couple of other grammatical errors in the document, and they may be under the impression that it's an entire new generation - all in all, it's evidence of nothing, and the person who wrote it probably has no idea what they're talking about.

Yeah, I was just about to say that.

I don't think any NON-Japanese sources are worth reporting, since, how would anyone outside of Japan, know? I bet half the workforce at NoA will be as surprised as causal US fans when the game is announced for the US.
 
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