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Gold and Silver DS: Discussion, Debate, Wishlists

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Mitchman

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Okay now the Japanese is not there damn. I need it.
 

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It looks like someone cut up my post.

Shinx3000 and DorianBlack I think it's huge black block characters, if you are posting you can scroll down and see them I guess it just screws up the HTML since you can't see it in full view but anyway.

GB version, including the monster did not appear, and new elements are added.

Was the important thing, I was trying to post.

Edit: Fixed my other post and took out everything except my "point".

Hmm. Sounds very intriguing. My only concern would be weather or not that's actually referring to all of the Pokemon that have been released since the original GS. That's 200+ Pokemon and they could be referring to them :/

But hopefully it's a new Pokemon ;D
 

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Hmm. Sounds very intriguing. My only concern would be weather or not that's actually referring to all of the Pokemon that have been released since the original GS. That's 200+ Pokemon and they could be referring to them :/

But hopefully it's a new Pokemon ;D

Actually, that topic had already been solved. I don't know if it was on this thread or in another one (must be in another, since no body here remembers it), but we had already found out that that was a porr translation, then someone did the correct translation ad it was something like "GS introduced new Pokémon not found on the original RGBY" It's a bit too late now, but tomorrow I'll search that post and quote it here.

I'm sure there'll be no brand new Pokémon; I'm sure there will be a new forme for an already existing Pokémon. Which one? That's where the mysrery and intrigue relies...
 

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Hmm. Sounds very intriguing. My only concern would be weather or not that's actually referring to all of the Pokemon that have been released since the original GS. That's 200+ Pokemon and they could be referring to them :/

But hopefully it's a new Pokemon ;D
Assuming it's not some horrible translation it says "The Monster" I know Pokemon can be plural or singular but since it says "The Monster" it makes me think it's something new. Because if it is 'just' one of the new ones how can they pick and choose. Oh it'll be Mamoswine, whew, okay we got ourselves a cool new remake.

However now that I think about it, I think it could be referring to Celebi, wasn't Celebi a pain in the ass to try and get at that time, and how Celebi hardly has any events. I think they might add Celebi so it has a bigger, catchable plot in the remakes. If it is a new, new Pokemon chances are it's probably a new forme or something. Like they claimed the new Rotom formes were new Pokemon.
 

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Assuming it's not some horrible translation it says "The Monster" I know Pokemon can be plural or singular but since it says "The Monster" it makes me think it's something new. Because if it is 'just' one of the new ones how can they pick and choose. Oh it'll be Mamoswine, whew, okay we got ourselves a cool new remake.

Trust me, its a horrible translation. There are no plurals or singulars in Japanese.
 

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Assuming it's not some horrible translation it says "The Monster" I know Pokemon can be plural or singular but since it says "The Monster" it makes me think it's something new. Because if it is 'just' one of the new ones how can they pick and choose. Oh it'll be Mamoswine, whew, okay we got ourselves a cool new remake.

However now that I think about it, I think it could be referring to Celebi, wasn't Celebi a pain in the ass to try and get at that time, and how Celebi hardly has any events. I think they might add Celebi so it has a bigger, catchable plot in the remakes. If it is a new, new Pokemon chances are it's probably a new forme or something. Like they claimed the new Rotom formes were new Pokemon.

Rather than rephrase what Unown Lord previously articulated, I'll just quote his post.

I would like to note my reservations about Notched-ear Pichu being the result of new gender differences or breeding variations. In either case, not only would it be available via normal gameplay, but it would presumably be easier to obtain than its shiny counterpart: the Pikachu-colored Pichu. Now, what could be the point of an event for the Pikachu-colored Pichu, which isn't even going to appear in the movie, be other than using it as a pre-cursor to Notched-ear Pichu? Why would it be holding an Everstone otherwise? Most importantly, why would it be confirmed to be related to Notched-ear Pichu through game artwork?

Having the shiny Pichu evolve only to breed it with a suitable mate to produce Notched-ear Pichu, wouldn't come across as logical, either. It is obviously meant to be paired as-is with Notched-ear Pichu, and from the looks of things, the movie isn't going to be the medium through which their relationship will be shown. To that end, an in-game event in the vein of Platinum's Regis quest, would be the most sensible solution.


Much like the event Pokémon debuting in movies, Mew had been completely unobtainable before Movie 8 changed that, but that isn't the case for Celebi now. In Japan, it was the last event Pokémon for the GBA versions in 2006, and the Pokémon Company advertised the promotion as being meant for Diamond and Pearl (owing to Pal Park, which had already been confirmed as a feature). Furthermore, for the 2007 movie promotion, a poll was conducted asking Japanese fans which Pokémon from previous movie titles should be distributed. Obviously, Celebi was one of the choices, but Deoxys won by popular vote instead (most likely due to the fact that it had only been distributed once, in 2004, and was limited to players who had either FireRed or LeafGreen at the time).

I don't see the Pokémon Company announcing Celebi as Movie 10's main event Pokémon not long after realizing that it wasn't even the best idea for a secondary event Pokémon. While I would imagine that it would be chosen now if the poll were conducted again (after Deoxys' availability has received a significant boost), would it really be good enough for the main promotion? Leaving that query aside, what would have happened if Celebi had already been covered by Movie 7? It is quite clear that Game Freak had already started HeartGold and SoulSilver's development by that time, so in view of that, would the Pokémon Company have risked exhausting Celebi's potential too soon if there had been even the slightest notion of using it for another movie by the end of Generation IV?

I honestly doubt that an alternate form would come across as a viable solution to the problem, but in Zeta's defense it would at least be somewhat better than an unaltered Celebi. There is still the matter of Celebi having already been featured as a title character, in contrast to Mew which was a secondary character in its first appearance (Movie 1).


That wouldn't have anything to do with the movie promotion even if Celebi itself did. The direct download method has allowed the company to utilize the Classic Ribbon, thereby making it impossible for players to forego the promotion and get the event Pokémon through the GTS. That, combined with the OT and the note about being obtained in a Pokémon movie, is also a means for players to show off their present. The existing method works too well for it to be dropped next year.

In fact, another Celebi movie would render the GS Ball inaccessible until after the movie premiere, much to the detriment of the multitude of players who have wanted it since Crystal came out.


It was distributed to players in promotion of its movie, and was made a playable character only three months after.


That screams "secondary promotion" in my book. It is no coincidence that the Pikachu-colored Pichu hasn't taken Arceus' place for Movie 12.


Restricting Manaphy's event to a spin-off game, Ranger, also entailed having the elements of that game be carried over to the movie. The fact that the main featured character was a Pokémon Ranger, rather than another legendary Pokémon, had a lot to do with the plot's shortcomings.
 

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Simplest answer - the Japanese "monster" there is plural, not singular, and it's referring to
Gen. II Pokémon that didn't appear in Johto in GSC before the E4 (Misdreavus, Larvitar, Houndour, etc.) and/or NEP.
 

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Mainly I want the chance to see Johto again, but with graphics that show it for what it is. I want to be in Goldenrod and Olivine once more. I want to just wander aimlessly around the MooMoo Farm just like the good old days. Silver was my life back in the day. I want it back.

If GameFreak can deliver a game that is as epic as FRLG was for me, then I'll be happy. If I can finally get to know what happened in those missing three years, I'll be in nerd heaven. I don't ask for much. Just the most important stuff.
 

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I'm looking forward to this, it's a new place for me to explore, though I know most of the Pokemon from the other games. I can't wait to finally be able to catch Lugia =D I hope they keep Kanto in, it would be good to go back and explore it in it's new state.
 

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Mainly I want the chance to see Johto again, but with graphics that show it for what it is. I want to be in Goldenrod and Olivine once more. I want to just wander aimlessly around the MooMoo Farm just like the good old days.

Amen. Also, without the failing batteries.
 

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Just as a heads up I suggest you guys keep on checking pokebeach, today annouced the scans will come in
 

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including the monster did not appear

This could mean either a new pokemon or one of the 200+ ones added after gen II

Simplest answer - the Japanese "monster" there is plural, not singular, and it's referring to
Gen. II Pokémon that didn't appear in Johto in GSC before the E4 (Misdreavus, Larvitar, Houndour, etc.) and/or NEP.

Could be right here, only time will tell though!

I'm looking forward to this, it's a new place for me to explore, though I know most of the Pokemon from the other games. I can't wait to finally be able to catch Lugia =D I hope they keep Kanto in, it would be good to go back and explore it in it's new state.

Even though Kanto was less than Gen I days, do you really think they will keep Kanto out this time? no way, it will be there 100% sure of that, it would nt be a remake if a big place that was there in past was removed this time around for no reason to.

Edit: COuld that "monster did not appear" be Celebi? it was only obtainable via an event with GS ball before otherwise you could not get it and it did indeed "not appear" but it could be this, just a theory.
 
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"The monster that did not appear" is most likely referring to Gen III and IV pokemon that will be available in HGSS, most likely after you beat the Elite4

As for the underground, I doubt it's making a return - to me, it's one of those things that will remain unique to DPP, such as how the secret base system of RSE hasn't been seen in any games since. Besides, the "vents" look awfully like lamps to me...

Moving to a new topic, what is the likelyhood of a Sevii-island type expansion to the story? While a revamp of Kanto is most important and most likely, I'd love to have a brand new region to explore, most likely after getting 16 badges.

Here is an image of japan with the various pokemon regions displayed to show just how much Gamefreak base their regions on Japan. (also my favourite pokemon world map :)) Cast your eyes west of Cianwood - we have a whole island which is too small to be its own region, especially when compared to Sinnoh - could this be somewhat like the Battle Island post-E4 in DPP?
 

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it more or less makes sense to put something there. I was thinking maybe a frontier or something. Maybe and thats a big maybe they take out Kanto move the league there and put some stuff in? Nah I'm just loopy mind me.
 

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Look at Serebii.net...

We just got a leak of CoroCoro.

And it's now confirmed that the game will utilize a new female character.

It seems like they consider Crystal girl as a Crystal-only feature and they actually wanted a new one...

This SUCKS!

I WANTED CRYS!

Now we can be sure that the game will not utilise ANY of Crystal elements.

God, I'm starting to hate HGSS.
 

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The scans seemed to reveal that the Pokemon following extends beyond just an introduction, with one of the scans a Pichu and one that looks like Mareep or some other non amity-starter-obvious Pokemon.

And both Pichu's (Shiny and notched eared) seem to have some role in the game.

The new girl is okay but it would be disappointing if they did drop Crystal permanently (or whatever you want to call her).
 

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Now we can be sure that the game will not utilise ANY of Crystal elements.

God, I'm starting to hate HGSS

First, you don't know whether or not Crystal elements have not been used based on one thing does not prove that other aspects of crystal have not been used.

Second, Based on a few screens its hardly fair to say you hate this, you won't know that until you actually play the game or know someone who has when the time comes.

Besides, these games are remakes of gold and silver, not crystal.
 

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Maxim, the new girl looks similar enough to Kris when you consider Red's extreme makeover. While the hair color is different, the hairstyle is not. Let's hope that somewhere in the data the character is associated with the name "Kris" to confirm the connection.

Notched-ear Pichu is connected to the Pikachu-colored Pichu, and what's more, the event has to do with the Ilex Forest shrine. I was right about time travel being involved, and I do like what I see.
 
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