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Gold and Silver DS: Discussion, Debate, Wishlists

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I can see the the resemblance between new girl and Crystal, mainly in the hair, even if it isn't blue.
It not being blue isn't the only difference in the hair. Kris had like Abomasnow hand shaped hairs pointed up, while new girl has "Scyther" blade shaped hairs.
 

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I can see the the resemblance between new girl and Crystal, mainly in the hair, even if it isn't blue. Methinks that, since Crystal (the girl) was exclusive to Crystal (the game), they wanted to create a new girl that's just for Gold/Silver.

Hopefully however this doesn't mean that Crystal's exclusive features will be left out.

Dragon's Den/Extremespeed Dratini and Suicune/Eusine plots are debatable over whether or not they will or won't be included, but logic dictates that there will be some kind of Battle Tower or Trainer Tower or something, although it might not be of the same style or in the same place as Crystal's was.

The legendary beast encounter music is also likely to return, which I think was Crystal only.
GTS is a given, though this is more a 4th gen feature than a Crystal feature, the GTS may be in Goldenrod where Crystal's mobile tower was.

And the Celebi event is also VERY likely IMO.

It not being blue isn't the only difference in the hair. Kris had like Abomasnow hand shaped hairs pointed up, while new girl has "Scyther" blade shaped hairs.

This description made me LOL literally. I see what you mean though.

I think we should embrace the new girl... after all, Heart Gold and Soul Silver were never going to be exactly like Gold and Silver, so the sooner we accept these games in their own right the sooner we'll all stop being annoyed that these aren't just Gold and Silver with DS graphics. A lot, like wild Pokémon available and gym leaders Pokémon, NEEDS to change IMO, and so we should embrace change.

"Where the Winds of a New Beginning Blow" after all... ^_~
 
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Maxim, seriously, shut the hell up.

You're acting like a whiny little five year old who lost his doll, which is lying about two feet away from you.

She has a different look, big fucking whoop. Is it a good thing, not really, but it's nothing worth acting like the series is ruined forever because of it.

That's not different look. That's a different character.

Anime Blaine and FR/LG Blaine - this is different look.

What we're dealing with here is a different character, an INFERIOR replacement!

I think they ruined the remake. That's my opinion. And I have my right to say it.

I will play HGSS. But only out of curiosity. And I will not buy it. And if I'll deem it more shitty than it already is, I won't make myself suffer because of some game and will just turn it out and send it into oblivion.

Zel's Shiny Gold > Heart Gold/Soul Silver

Seriously, shut up already. God. >_>

Uh, people who are close to me know that telling me to "shut up" makes me speak more. That is NOT the way to shut me up.
 

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Is no one the least bit excited about time travel elements? Does anyone doubt that Notched-ear Pichu is a character from the past?

No I'm excited, but I really don't know what to make of it at this point.

Will it be a one time thing like the Reverse world?
Or will it be a recurring feature?

That would be akin to admitting that they are distinct characters. By merely keeping the name "Kris" somewhere in the data, Game Freak could let fans know that she is supposed to be regarded as the same character, although a severely refined one.

Could anyone explain to me why this is so different to what happened with Red? I'd appreciate that.

True, I didn't look at it in that fashion.
It's really not any different from what happened to Red; though I will say that Soul(that's what I'll be calling her from this point on) does look different ENOUGH to be a completely different character if need be. While She's probably not, she still doesn't look quite as much as the original Krys as Gold


Right about now I am wondering if Gold and the Pikachu-colored Pichu have gone back in time, or rather, the Notched-ear Pichu traveled to the present. The sequence is incredibly reminiscent of the GS Ball event in Crystal, where by placing the GS Ball inside the shrine Celebi emerged from the sky, obviously having traveled in time.

It would appear that the Pikachu-colored Pichu is summoning Notched-ear Pichu in a similar manner, but the fact remains that Notched-ear Pichu shouldn't have time-traveling abilities. I believe that Celebi is governing over the shrine (which is referenced in the original games) and is manipulating the characters as it sees fit. This may just be one of several events where it is responsible for someone undergoing time travel, and I can only hope that the player character will, too, make it to the past at some point.

Notched-ear Pichu is a character from the ancient past, as evidenced by Movie 12. It should have unique properties not found in the Pichu of this day and age, which I believe will be reflected in its base stats.

It's interesting that time travel with Pichu be a heavy plot element, becuase time travel with Gold's Pichu was quite important to the plot in Pokemon Special's GSC arc.

I'm beginning to think that this game will be heavily tied into movie 12, because Platinum tying in with movie 11 last year seemed to be a great success.

BTW, Unown Lord, Do you speak/read any Japanese?
I'm asking because I can't tell if you're actually reading the scans, or just speculating.

Maxim, seriously, shut the hell up.

You're acting like a whiny little five year old who lost his doll, which is lying about two feet away from you.

She has a different look, big fucking whoop. Is it a good thing, not really, but it's nothing worth acting like the series is ruined forever because of it.

Seriously, shut up already. God. >_>
Thank you.
Anyway, I find it interesting that Notchy actually has a role in this game, somewhat. Not that I didn't think it was possible, but it's nice to see that it has a role to some extent.

Yeah, If this is like last year, both Pichu will be intergral to the plot.
 

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Dragon's Den/Extremespeed Dratini and Suicune/Eusine plots are debatable over whether or not they will or won't be included, but logic dictates that there will be some kind of Battle Tower or Trainer Tower or something, although it might not be of the same style or in the same place as Crystal's was.

I hope Extreme speed Dratini is in HeartGold/SoulSilver because there's no other way to get a Dratini with extreme speed.


But at the very least you should get a Dratini regardless of the special unique move, right?
 

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Both wear red caps and jackets, wear jeans....it's clear just by looking at them that FrLg Red is merely a mordernised RBY Red.
But the face itself is nothing like the original version. While the attire may be the key to making out the similarities, other characters (Green, May, Brendan, Lucas and Dawn) have had their clothes revamped. In other words, what we have here is a combination of both distinguishing marks.

Obviously, it is almost impossible to relate the two characters based on appearance alone, and in light of Kris only being a silent player character in Crystal, the plot won't elucidate anything, either. This is where the default names come into the picture. Provided that there is even a single mention of "Kris" in connection to the female character (not necessarily as the main defualt name), it will be a sign that the two characters are meant to be viewed as one in the same.

For the record, I care about Eusine, plot elements and Crystal-exclusive features far more than I do about a character's appearance. I just think that the character's identity as a female trainer who grew up in New Bark Town, is enough to make her be viewed as Kris. The fact that Crystal isn't being remade simply allowed Game Freak to take more liberties with the design.

Zodiac The Vampire said:
Note: In the Ilex Forest with the Pichus... there are no headbutt trees where there used to be headbutt trees. Ponder and discuss!
The Headbutt trees were rather out of place next to the shrine. It could be that they were simply re-positioned so as not to detract attention from the shrine. It is not as if they've been replaced with Honey Trees; some special trees should be found in Johto at other points.

I won't terribly mind having the feature be left out entirely, but bringing it back should be easy enough, and it is a warranted move given the consensus that the Headbutt system was better than the Honey Tree one.
 
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I hope Extreme speed Dratini is in HeartGold/SoulSilver because there's no other way to get a Dratini with extreme speed.

But at the very least you should get a Dratini regardless of the special unique move, right?

I don't know... the gift Dratini was ONLY in Crystal, but Dratini were easily caught in the cave itself. See for yourself here.

That's not different look. That's a different character.

Anime Blaine and FR/LG Blaine - this is different look.

What we're dealing with here is a different character, an INFERIOR replacement!

I think they ruined the remake. That's my opinion. And I have my right to say it.

I will play HGSS. But only out of curiosity. And I will not buy it. And if I'll deem it more shitty than it already is, I won't make myself suffer because of some game and will just turn it out and send it into oblivion.

Zel's Shiny Gold > Heart Gold/Soul Silver

Isn't this a rather extreme opinion? After all, playing as the girl character is optional! I personally don't think this ruins anything. Also, I don't think the new girl is inferior, just different. A change is good every now and then... it's refreshing.
 

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Thought #1: Kudos to Sugimori for avoiding anime blue hair on the female PC this time around. It happens often enough with the gym leaders, but they're supposed to look outlandish. Having characters that are actually believable-looking is outside the norm for RPGs, and I for one like that.

Thought #2: I find using the special Pichu in relation to Celebi's shrine a bit suspect, but I'm sure they'll make it work superbly as usual. I still hope there's a GS Ball, though - I think a lot of us are sill a bit traumatized at not getting one 10 years ago. XD

Thought #3: That is the most badass Larvitar ever.

Thought #4: This forum may have more trolls than I first thought.
 
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That's not different look. That's a different character.

Anime Blaine and FR/LG Blaine - this is different look.

What we're dealing with here is a different character, an INFERIOR replacement!

I think they ruined the remake. That's my opinion. And I have my right to say it.

I will play HGSS. But only out of curiosity. And I will not buy it. And if I'll deem it more shitty than it already is, I won't make myself suffer because of some game and will just turn it out and send it into oblivion.

Zel's Shiny Gold > Heart Gold/Soul Silver



Uh, people who are close to me know that telling me to "shut up" makes me speak more. That is NOT the way to shut me up.

You're complaining about something that not only hasn't come out yet, but also that we have very little information to base an opinion on. It's like the Naruto fans who called the dub horrid when they first found out it was being dubbed in the first place. That's exactly how you're acting right about now. >_>
 

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Thought #3: That is the most badass Larvitar ever.
Indeed it is. Makes me wonder what the art for Tyranitar is. And Miltank is the most epic one. i mean its obviously using bowel movements to rocket its way into Olivine. XD
 

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But the face itself is nothing like the original version. While the attire may be the key to making out the similarities, other characters (Green, May, Brendan, Lucas and Dawn) have had their clothes revamped. In other words, what we have here is a combination of both distinguishing marks.
Only Red has no distinguishing features to separate it from just generic. If you dressed up Red in some new clothes in the anime (take away the hat), you probably could not tell it was Red other than he kind of looks like Red. Just like some of those kids on the Anime kind of looked like Ash. Now I'll go with technical issues at the time, so they revamped Red because they could add more color and make it decent looking. Still doesn't change the fact that Red still looks generic even with the new 3rd gen update.


Kris on the other hand had lots of distinguishing figures. Blue hair, Spiky-ish hair, even her clothes. So saying Red changed just as much as you're arguing Kris has isn't true. Red still had the same motif and nothing was drastic changed.

Think of it this way, Kris and New Girl are as different as May is to Dawn. While Red (Original) and Red (FR/LG) are as different as Red (original) grew older to Red (FR/LG).
 

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Thought #3: That is the most badass Larvitar ever.

Quoted. For. Truth.

Unown Lord said:
The Headbutt trees were rather out of place next to the shrine. It could be that they were simply re-positioned so as not to detract attention from the shrine. It is not as they have been replaced with Honey Trees, and some special trees should be in the games.

I won't terribly mind having the feature be left out entirely, but most fans agree that it was better than the Honey Tree system.

I hated Honey, personally. Hopefully your right, they're just re-thinking the Headbutt concept by limiting it to special trees.

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For the record, I care about Eusine, plot elements and Crystal-exclusive features far more than I do about a character's appearance. I just think that the character's identity as a female trainer who grew up in New Bark Town, is enough to make her be viewed as Kris. The fact that Crystal isn't being remade simply allowed Game Freak to take more liberties with the design.

I hope that the Crystal features are there too! It would be a waste. Unless, of course, they were also replaced with something equally as awesome?

In FR/LG, you could travel to the Sevii Islands before the Elite Four. Moltres was in a new place also. In a sense, FR/LG retconned Red and Blue.

I think HG/SS is also a retcon of G/S. As you said yourself, Unown Lord, the fact that this isn't a Crystal remake means that Game Freak have much more creative liberty. Game Freak could easily come up with a fantastic new side plot, keeping the core plot and features of G/S but replacing the Crystal additions with something else.

Still... I hope they haven't got carried away... I want my Red Gyarados!
 

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I think your blind because I can see 9 differences straight off the bat.

1. Hat is different
2. Hairstyle is different
3. Hair Color is different
4. Her head is a different shape / or you could say she has different eyes or mouth
5. Kris is at least wearing a "jacket" a shirt, and short shorts. New Girl is at least wearing a shirt and overalls.
6. New girl looks taller, and no I'm not saying that because it technically is, new girl has proportionately longer legs then Kris.
7. New girl also has a smaller/different waist line.
8. New girl has leg bands
9. And different shoes.

1. Already recognized it as the major difference.
2. Different but still similar, just like Red's in FR/LG in comparison to his original design. Both hair cuts consist of two ponytails on each side, that go downwards but then the turn upwards, just that now the turn is more sutile curve instead of a simple rough V-turn.
3. Same as #2
4. All current Sugimori artwork for bosy and girls have those eyes and mouth (look Dawn, Lucas and Pearl from Platinum), so that's just an effect of his current drawning style.
5. As I said before, a clothing change doen't make you another person. Lucas's outfit in Platinum is as different as this form his D/P outfit, and he's still Lucas. Both girls are wearing shorts after all, so stop complaining.
6. Taller? compared to what? Of course if you compare this bigs scan will the little one of Crystal, we'll notice Kris is as short as the new girl's knees. Otherwise, I can't tell if one is actually taller than the other. Anyways, in the owerwold they'll have the same size: one tile square XD
7. I see both waists equally narrow. What are you lookin at, you pervert? XP
8. Same as #5
9. Anyone really cares about the shoes? It's last part of an outfit I look at. And still, both designs feature white and red colors.

The clothing change is something I welcome, since her old ones were just the same as Gold but in a femenine style. Now they really look distinguishable (is that the correct word?) and the girl has her own personality instead of just being a female incarnation of Gold.
Anyways, if she's a new character, that won't change the core of the game. So deal with it, you Kris/Marina fans. If this is really a new character, I don't see this as a getaway from Crystal game (I still hope they keep Eusine and the other features), just as a thing of names. Just as Leaf wasn't named "Blue" or "Green" to prevent thinking of a third game, maybe Game Freak will introduce a new character with a new name so people won't think there will be a Crystal remake just because a girl named Kris is HGSS.

Speaking of Green and Blue, how will the American version of the game will call the ex-rival-new-Viridan Gym Leader? Will they stick to the original Blue or will they retcon it to the Japanese Green in order to keep consistance with the newer LeafGreen (and, if it's the latter, how will Bulbapedia's article will be titled?)? The same goes for Janine/Charine (I think Charine sounds horrible, but on the other side, Janine sounds too similar to Jasmine).

For the absence of the headbuttable trees, maybe now we will be able to headbutt every normal tree.
 

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I'm loving all of the new artwork, Miltank made me lol. New girl is weird, but I suppose she'll take getting used too.
 

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Was worried about the exclusion of headbutt trees, looks like my fears have been confirmed :( Such a pity, especially since this no doubt means that Honey trees will return....

The screenshot below Wobuffet is the Slowpoke Well I believe.

Also, why does everyone assume the building above Gold's stock art is Kurt's house? To me, it looks like the Burnt tower...

I don't see how any of the screenshots spell the end of Headbutt trees - there's only one picture in Ilex Forest, and it's right by Celebi's shrine, which didn't even have any Headbutt trees near it in the originals, if I remember correctly. And even if it did, they might just be restricting it more.

That one is almost certainly Slowpoke Well, and the other might be Sprout Tower or Kurt's house, or even another early building. If the picture went up one or two squares we'd know.
 
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I don't see how any of the screenshots spell the end of Headbutt trees - there's only one picture in Ilex Forest, and it's right by Celebi's shrine, which didn't even have any Headbutt trees near it in the originals, if I remember correctly.

That one is almost certainly Slowpoke Well, and the other might be Sprout Tower or Kurt's house, or even another early building. If the picture went up one or two squares we'd know.

It did, I checked... I'm hoping Headbutt trees return in some shape or form though! Or have merely been relocated from the Shrine so as not to distract us from it, as Unown Lord suggested.

I can't work out what the other picture is either. I'd guess one of the towers (Sprout or Burnt). I don't think that the picture is Kurt's house.
 
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2. Different but still similar, just like Red's in FR/LG in comparison to his original design. Both hair cuts consist of two ponytails on each side, that go downwards but then the turn upwards, just that now the turn is more sutile curve instead of a simple rough V-turn.
4. All current Sugimori artwork for bosy and girls have those eyes and mouth (look Dawn, Lucas and Pearl from Platinum), so that's just an effect of his current drawning style.
6. Taller? compared to what? Of course if you compare this bigs scan will the little one of Crystal, we'll notice Kris is as short as the new girl's knees. Otherwise, I can't tell if one is actually taller than the other. Anyways, in the owerwold they'll have the same size: one tile square XD
7. I see both waists equally narrow. What are you lookin at, you pervert? XP

2. Not really, apples and oranges, they have the same basic shape (hair going upwards) but they are considerable differences. I likened Kris's hair to Abomasnow's hands. I also likened New Girl's Hair to Scyther's "blades" Kris also has 4 bangs, New Girl only has two.
4. Kris's head looks flat egg. New Girl's head looks like a round egg (minus the chin on New Girl's face).
6. I'm imagining Kris to be the same proportionate height as New Girl and New Girl is taller. The legs really look longer in relation to New Girl's body then Kris. Or it's just because New Girl's legs look "slender"
7. Look at Kris imagine for a moment that most of her waist is as big as her shorts, now look at New Girl's if you think the same thing to new girl (Dear God name her something already)you'll notice NG's waist is smaller.

From now on the new Girl will be named NG (until her real name is revealed)


Still I don't see how this NG is Kris in way shape or form. At the most they are sisters or cousins but not twins.

Edit: Nevermind NG doesn't really have any bangs.
 

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I love the new girl's design, she looks like a country-girl and that's what I'd expect to see in that region of Johto.

I will miss Crystal though, but I'm hoping she's in as a NPC still.

The only thing that will kill the game for me is...

Completely redesigned gyms/gym leaders.
Kanto being cut, with nothing substantial to replace it.
 

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It did. I'm hoping Head butt trees return in some shape or form though! Or have merely been relocated from the Shrine so as not to distract us from it, as Unown Lord suggested.

I think that's more likely, since they've been treating the Legendary areas a bit more specially now, as opposed to the shrine just sitting there like a prop, or like how Moltres got moved to a Volcano instead of just chilling smack in the middle of Victory Road, which made no sense at all.

I can't work out what the other picture is either. I'd guess one of the towers (Sprout or Burnt). See Kurt's house in the video; I don't think that the picture is Kurt's house.

I don't think it's either of the Ecruteak towers - I'd imagine they'd be more impressively large, and these screenshots re from the early game anyway. Plus, Tin Tower's blocked by trees from main Ecruteak, and I'm expecting Burned Tower to actually look burned on the outside this time around.
 
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