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Gold and Silver DS: Discussion, Debate, Wishlists

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Falconwing

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Johto is the most awesome region! Oh, and the nintendo version has 2 EXTRA ISLANDS! If you go on Bulbapedia, I'm sure you could find it somewhere. I found out about it there. ^__^

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The Nintendo version...

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Johto is the most awesome region! Oh, and the nintendo version has 2 EXTRA ISLANDS! If you go on Bulbapedia, I'm sure you could find it somewhere. I found out about it there. ^__^

Nintendo version? It's like your saying there is a Sony version of Pokémon.
 

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Well yeah, but Bill described it as only being able to trade to the past. I can see them retconning it though. But for now, I'll go by what the GSC Time Capsule could do.

@Veggie: Of course. I never expected Brendan/May and Red/Leaf to go through their respective adventures at the exact same time, but what I'm saying is that it would finally clear up Hoenn's place in the timeline. It happened before HGSS/DPPt and in or around the same time as FrLg

My point still stands. It's a Time Capsule. It trades/transfers with each different time period. It could be 3 years or even 10 years from the past, or, as Outrage suggested, the future, therefore it doens't clarify RSE's place in the general timeline. The only thing the Time Capsule would confirm is that RSE is not contemporary with GSC/HSSS and nothing else.

@Shix: As already stated, since BOTH Colosseum/XD (which are years away from each other) can trade with RSE and FRLG, the interregional trades in FRLG don't prove nothing either. But that is off-topic.
 

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My point still stands. It's a Time Capsule. It trades/transfers with each different time period. It could be 3 years or even 10 years from the past, or, as Outrage suggested, the future, therefore it doens't clarify RSE's place in the general timeline. The only thing the Time Capsule would confirm is that RSE is not contemporary with GSC/HSSS and nothing else.

Well RGB was supposed to be 3 years in past from GSC and that means FR/LG has to be to as they are remakes of Green and Red.

@Shix: As already stated, since BOTH Colosseum/XD (which are years away from each other) can trade with RSE and FRLG, the interregional trades in FRLG don't prove nothing either. But that is off-topic.

I never mentioned Colosseum/XD, I know you did, But I am talking about main series games, not side games. FR/LG and RSE do have the same timeline or similar. if in FR/LG you trade with RSE, your trading with the player/hero there, if it was in past or future, something in FR/LG or indeed if not RS, but Emerald, something in those games would have at least mentioned time travel. It only mentions far away in Hoenn in FR/LG so assuming the timelines are similar. But your right, its offtopic
 
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Other than Gen.II taking place 3 years after Gen.I, and XD taking place 5 years after Colosseum- has there been any other official statement as to where other games fit in the timeline? Sorry if this is random but after reading the last few pages I can't seem to keep track of what was officially stated and what is speculated.
 

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Well RGB was supposed to be 3 years in past from GSC and that means FR/LG has to be to as they are remakes of Green and Red.

I was talking about RSE. Of course FRLG take place 3 years before HGSS. But since it's a time capsule, you can trade with different periods of time, not only one. So, you could trade (or transfer) let's say, from 3 years in the past AND the from 1 year. This means that the fact of the Time Capsule being able to transfer Pokémon from different periods of time doesn't prove FRLG and RSE are contemproraries (ie. let's say RSE take place 2 years after FRLG. As it is still one year ahead of HGSS, it's still the past and therefore, still compatable with the TC), only proves that RSE is not contenprary with HGSS. But it fails to prove its esxact ubication.

On your other point, I get it, but it still doesn't prove nothing for sure. Keldroa Dragon is right, there is no irrefutable evidence which places RSE in a specific point of tehe main series timeline.
 

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Well just saying the time capsule can trade from the past any time has noting to do with the timeline of RSE/FRLG it won't change just because you said you can trade from 1 year in the past or 10 years in past. If the time was really that different from FRLG and RSE, there would be some sort of time capsule involved to be able to trade, not just staightout trade when you complete the quest on the islands.

Now the way I see it, they created RSE and kept them the same timeline as FR/LG and its the same now D/P/Pt hs a similar timline to HGSS. Its never happened that there has been a time difference between games of the same generation, we would have at least some evidence to say so in the Gen III games if this were true.
 

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No. It doesn't mean you can trade with GBA games, it means you can transfer Pokémon from them via the TC. They'll change its wasy of working, but since the main purpose is the same, it's still the Time Capsule.
When I said that I meant that it just transfers the pokemon instead of having to make us capture them. But now I have a new idea.

When you think about it a Time Capsule contains things from the past. But you can't send things back to the past using one. So the fact that you can't transfer back the pokemon is actually very realistic.

And saying they don't just automatically let us have our pokemon, the TC could be used to bring the pokemon from the past and then they are released into the Pal Park where you must catch them
 

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Well, if we had to catch our TC'd Gen 3 Pokemon,it'd just be another Pal Park, so the TC (if it's in) will probably box them.
Bu I reckon it'll just be another Pal Park.
 

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Well just saying the time capsule can trade from the past any time has noting to do with the timeline of RSE/FRLG it won't change just because you said you can trade from 1 year in the past or 10 years in past. If the time was really that different from FRLG and RSE, there would be some sort of time capsule involved to be able to trade, not just staightout trade when you complete the quest on the islands.

The thing is, you're talking as if it had already been confirmed (by saying "it won't change": how can you talk about changing something that hasn't been set?) that RSE and FRLG are contemporaries, which has NEVER happened. And no, the trading ability doesn't count. That's a gameplay element, not a storyline one.

nyways, by now we're running in circles, so until something officiial and DEFINITIVE comes out, let's put this aside, can we? Thanks, and cheers.
 

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The thing is, you're talking as if it had already been confirmed (by saying "it won't change": how can you talk about changing something that hasn't been set?) that RSE and FRLG are contemporaries, which has NEVER happened. And no, the trading ability doesn't count. That's a gameplay element, not a storyline one.

Ok, I am just going to say one last thing and we can stop. There is a boy or is it girl NPC in lilycove in RSE hat said they came from Kanto and wondered if there were rare pokemon that only existed in Hoenn.

I know it does not prove anything but saying there is time travel involved with trading proves there is a time difference between two sets of games because trading is a big part of you want to complete your pokedex or competitave battle. In One island after the network center works, you are told that the there is a link now beteween Kanto and Hoenn (there is no other game that has Hoenn but RSE)and there is no mention of trading through time so I assumed that based on this, there is little time difference between RSE and FR/LG because up until D/P had more evidence of two sets of games linking like red garaydos or hiker in Hearthome, trading was the only real way of knwoing about the timeline in RSE-FR/LG was by trading. If you sent pokemon through time in either games, proved there was a time difference, and since this did not happen, I assumed the timeline and story was close to same or similar like D/P/Pt and HGSS.

Now lets move on to something better to talk about

And saying they don't just automatically let us have our pokemon, the TC could be used to bring the pokemon from the past and then they are released into the Pal Park where you must catch them

Well theres something where the TC used to be, wether is still the TC or some other device s yet to be seen, but what else would it be? I don't see it being anything else unless they put something new or different there.
 

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They could use a TC to bring the Gen 3 pokemon into the Pal Park as a nod to the original games.
I'm not too fussed, though. A Pal Park is a Pal Park AFAIC.
 

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filb.de updated

http://www.filb.de/1142


-- No indication of where the Weather Trio are located (unless the text or voiceover says something), BUT it confirms a remix of their music from RSE, like the Regi Trio got in Platinum
-- During the Bug Contest segment, Quilava is level 28! It could be on a return trip, though.
-- Safari Zone! It has little torches at the entrance. Pretty much a video version of its page from CoroCoro, right down to the Sandshrew popping up.
 

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Hmm, Safari and Bug catching. Two of my favorite parts of Pokemon. I'm glad they look so awesome. I love the new Safari.
 

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Veggietable and Shinx3000, the timeline discussion can be continued in this thread if you'd like. I explained in the first part of this post how Game Freak essentially clarified in Emerald that the Generation III games were contemporary. Since my evidence is an excerpt from the Japanese version, it is no surprise that so few fans are aware of it.

On another note, I've been trying to figure out where communication with up to five players is going to be implemented. Even though we still don't know what the remaining Pokéthlon mini-games are, they must be intended for four players at most, since they will be included in the courses that contain the other mini-games. For that matter, if for some reason the Bug-Catching Contest had multiplayer features, I don't see why it would only support five players in that mode, when the single mode has the player compete with five NPCs. In other words, there has to be some competition that is available after the Elite Four, of which we have yet to be made aware.

It has occurred to me that HGSS aren't the first games to feature five-player communication - FRLG were. The Joyful Game Corner on Two Island allowed up to five FRLG players (as well as Emerald players, using the Game Corner in Mossdeep City) to engage in two mini-games. While it would be a leap to conclude from this that the Game Corner will return, it is hard to think of another possibility, since Contests also support four-player communication.

Should the Joyful Game Corner return, I'm sure that Game Freak will have revamped it to make sure that its mini-games aren't redundant additions with the Pokéthlon and Wi-Fi Plaza around. Admittedly, I only care about seeing the Sevii Islands again for story purposes, so I'm bringing this up as a possible hint.
 

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-- No indication of where the Weather Trio are located (unless the text or voiceover says something), BUT it confirms a remix of their music from RSE, like the Regi Trio got in Platinum

It's not full proof it's where it's located, but if you listen to the music it's the same as the Ruins of Alph. I wonder if it is somehow around there. Or it could just share the music.
 

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It's not full proof it's where it's located, but if you listen to the music it's the same as the Ruins of Alph. I wonder if it is somehow around there. Or it could just share the music.
Share for sure. The ruins are in tact as we knew them in gs or possibly even like crystal. I love the look of the safari zone and how spiffy its area is. I also loved the national parks tune.
 

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It all looks so awesome, the Safari Zone especially!!! So, the new area is a market town thing like in Slateport.................
The Bug Catching Contest looked cooler than everything, though. I loved that game. Can't wait to replay it. Also, hope the levels were an indication of a better system....
Hey, is that a new Quilava backsprite???
 

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I quite enjoyed what Pokemon Sunday showed us today, even if it was only reiterating what we'd seen in the most recent CoroCoro. I especially enjoyed listening to some of the background music and seeing those areas in action. We've heard the Route 38 music a fair bit from the demo on Youtube, but it doesn't sound like it's something you can get tired of quickly and sounds like a fantastic remix of the original (although i'm a little confused as the guardhouse for the National Park used to have the Goldenrod music - they must have changed it). I was also pleasantly surprised to hear the Bug Catching Contest theme and what I perceived to be new music for the Safari Zone area. :) The Ruins of Alph/Mt. Mortar/ Ilex Forest theme also sounds great and fits well for the Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza lairs, wherever they may be...

I honestly can't wait to play SoulSilver now! :-D That said, i'm waiting til the UK release, but i'm sure i'll manage to hold out lol.
 
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