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Gold and Silver DS: Discussion, Debate, Wishlists

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Oh yeah. Speaking of music, do you think they will offer Day & Night versions of city and route themes?

Yeah, they will - they have to update the original music anyway, so making two differently arranged versions would be very easy.

What I'm really curious about is what style Johto's music is going to be in. Hoenn's music tended toward big, sweeping, brassy themes with lots of horns, while Sinnoh's music has more of a groovy jazz/rock feel to it, with more guitar than in the past, especially in the later routes.

I'm thinking that Johto's is going to be more focused on woodwinds (especially flute) and traditional Japanese instruments - I think the Ruins of Alph music done on a koto would sound really eerie, for one.
 

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The DSi is too new to make it DSi exclusive. Besides, there isn't anything that the DSi can really offer to warrant making the remakes exclusive. Hey, if they planned on pushing Gen V on the DSi, by all means, make it exclusive to take full advantage of it, but GSDS would still be running on the Gen IV engine. Apart from the things I listed above, there isn't many things a DSi can offer, and is definately not worth making it exclusive.

I'd rather it be open to all DS users, but with some DSi-only stuff that is cool, but doesn't take away from the game by not having it.

Yeah, it's still unlikely - but I'm just pointing out that it's not entirely impossible. And remember, the DSi may be new now for the rest of the world, but Japan's had it for six months already, and assuming a November release for GSDS, that'll make it a year. And even here in the US, by the time these games come out, there'll be a lot more of them around, especially with the graphically intensive new DS Kingdom Hearts game coming out this month in Japan and over the summer in he US - it's very highly anticipated, and you can bet Nintendo's going to do some DSi tie-ins with that game as well.
 

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Hmm, can you say "new PokéGear app"? :)

And I don't see how making them DSi exclusive is completely off the table - it might not be the smartest idea, but they've done something similar before - Gold and Silver were original GB-compatible even though they had some color capabilities, but Crystal was only for GBC. And these remakes just might be so highly anticipated that DSi exclusivity, or at least high compatibility, would be more beneficial to their bottom line. And considering they're making special GSDS DSi systems (which I'm guessing will largely go into bundle purchases), it seems a bit more likely.
Where did you find gsds DSi Systems? XD
 

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they should definatley fix everyhting cosmetically in my favorite region ever and mayybe allow you to find some d/p/pt and hoenn pokemon. they should also let johto have its own elite four. why should it have to share? they should let you go to kanto after you beeat the johto elite 4. then u get all the kanto badges and beat the kanto elite four. then you can get one of the kanto starters. they should also make johto its own place. totally. how about 2 more eveelutions? and include the stuff in crystal so that they dont need to make a crystal remake (although we all no they are). and keep the idea that you can get lugia in gold along with ho-oh(and vice-versa) and make the game fully combattible with the d/p/pt games. personally i think two of the best starters were in g/s (chicorita and cyndaquill) totdile was ok though!
 

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I'm thinking that Johto's is going to be more focused on woodwinds (especially flute) and traditional Japanese instruments - I think the Ruins of Alph music done on a koto would sound really eerie, for one.

Well, I do find ethnic Japanese instruments soothing and relaxing. I think it will suit Johto themes just fine, especially Violet, Azalea, Ecruteak, and Mahogany.

Johto have this ancient Japan feel into it.
 

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Well, I do find ethnic Japanese instruments soothing and relaxing. I think it will suit Johto themes just fine, especially Violet, Azalea, Ecruteak, and Mahogany.

Johto have this ancient Japan feel into it.
Yes it does. Eucrateak has to be the best example and blackthorn. Also I want the indoor Dragon Den from Crystal not gold/silver. That was one hell of a bitching cave.
 

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they should definatley fix everyhting cosmetically in my favorite region ever...
Yes. Obviously, the game will receive a massive graphical overhaul standerd to Generation IV.
...and mayybe allow you to find some d/p/pt and hoenn pokemon
I really hope they do. Most of us do.
they should also let johto have its own elite four.
Johto have their own Elite Four only that it is shared with that of Kanto.
why should it have to share?
That, I don't know.
they should let you go to kanto after you beeat the johto elite 4. then u get all the kanto badges...
That's what you do in the game post-E4, right?
...and beat the kanto elite four.
Don't expect much.
then you can get one of the kanto starters.
Maybe yes. Maybe not. But seeing that you can no longer use Slot-2, they just might.
they should also make johto its own place.
Johto IS Johto. It's not a part of Kanto, only that it shares the League. Or you mean to leave Kanto behind?
totally. how about 2 more eveelutions?
Well, yes... on succeeding generations but not on this one.
and include the stuff in crystal so that they dont need to make a crystal remake (although we all no they are).
Well, they might. "Buena's Password" was a radio show exclusive to Crystal. It works similarly to the DPPt lottery so they just might put it. The same thing goes with the Unown sidequest.
and keep the idea that you can get lugia in gold along with ho-oh(and vice-versa)
Why would they remove it in the first place?
and make the game fully combattible with the d/p/pt games.
Obviously, yes.
personally i think two of the best starters were in g/s (chicorita and cyndaquill) totdile was ok though!
I have to agree. I love Cyndaquil.
 

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Where did you find gsds DSi Systems? XD

Oh geez, my brain got its wires crossed again, I was thinking of another game. :p But I still don't have any doubt that they will, based on past big Pokémon releases - remember the Dialga and Palkia DS Lite, or even the Pikachu/Pichu GBC? Personally I'd love to see a silver Lugia DSi, that would be epic. :D
 

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they should definatley fix everyhting cosmetically in my favorite region ever

They will.

and mayybe allow you to find some d/p/pt and hoenn pokemon.

Don't expect them at the start of the game. They probably will be catchable but after National Dex. Also, don't expect too much Generation IV Pokemon in GSDS (except the new evolutions, they will probably be there). They simply aren't needed. We have D/P for them. GSDS is made for catching all Pokemon. Remember that in FR/LG there were no Hoenn Pokemon at all!

they should also let johto have its own elite four. why should it have to share? they should let you go to kanto after you beeat the johto elite 4. then u get all the kanto badges and beat the kanto elite four. then you can get one of the kanto starters.

That will kill the entire purpose of Kanto. If they want it to be a REMAKE, not a new game set in Johto, they won't do it.

But the Kanto Starters thing is possible.

they should also make johto its own place. totally.

See above. It's a remake, not a new game set in Johto. Such changes would be too revolutionary. If that will be just a new game set in Johto, I'll be extremely angry on Game Freak.

how about 2 more eveelutions?

You mean Leafeon and Glaceon or two completely new Pokemon? If the latter, don't expect this to be true.


and include the stuff in crystal so that they dont need to make a crystal remake (although we all no they are).

I agree on this. While they won't keep all those Suicune-related stuff, things like Battle Tower are quite possible. I also quietly hope for Buena's Password, which would give us a chance that Buena's sprite and/or artwork would be revealed (she's a pretty notable character which NEVER got any big sprite or an artwork of herself. She also didn't appear in any anime or manga. She was only mentioned in Golden Boys...)

and keep the idea that you can get lugia in gold along with ho-oh(and vice-versa)

I can almost guarantee you that.

and make the game fully combattible with the d/p/pt games.

I can SURELY guarantee you that. This is the entire purpose of the game.

Yes it does. Eucrateak has to be the best example and blackthorn. Also I want the indoor Dragon Den from Crystal not gold/silver. That was one hell of a bitching cave.

Oh yeah! GSDS has to explain us what exactly the Dragon's Den is. Is it a cave, or rather an outdoor place hidden beside a cave? The tileset suggests the latter, as it even had trees in Crystal! I believe it's a very narrow space between caves, with a little light coming to it (that's why it's always dark).
 
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See above. It's a remake, not a new game set in Johto. Such changes would be too revolutionary. If that will be just a new game set in Johto, I'll be extremely angry on Game Freak.

? Swapping out Bruno and Lance for two original characters would stop making it a remake and putting them either in their own areas or making the Johto and Kanto Elite 4 separate would do that? Um, I don't think so. The fact of the matter is that every other region gets its own Elite Four, and the fact that Kanto and Johto have to share just makes it seem more like Johto is Kanto 2.0 instead of its own region. Saying that altering the Elite Four to be more original would stop making it a remake is like saying Emerald was a completely different game than Ruby and Sapphire simply because they made Wallace the Champion, added Juan, and moved Stephen into a cave.
 

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? Swapping out Bruno and Lance for two original characters would stop making it a remake and putting them either in their own areas or making the Johto and Kanto Elite 4 separate would do that? Um, I don't think so. The fact of the matter is that every other region gets its own Elite Four, and the fact that Kanto and Johto have to share just makes it seem more like Johto is Kanto 2.0 instead of its own region. Saying that altering the Elite Four to be more original would stop making it a remake is like saying Emerald was a completely different game than Ruby and Sapphire simply because they made Wallace the Champion, added Juan, and moved Stephen into a cave.

Third versions =/= Remakes

I wait desperately for the moment when people will understand that.

They're not making the third (or rather, fourth) version to GSC.

Your proposed changes don't allow the game to be called the remake anymore. Yeah, making one Gym Leader/E4 switch wouldn't be such a big change but separating Kanto and Johto Elite Fours would be just too much. In GSC, Johto was never supposed to be an "independent" region. Changing it would kill all its GSC faith. Of course, if it lies in YOUR definition of remake, then it's your thing. It's a fan term after all. But FR/LG has shown us what to expect from Game Freak when remaking old games.

Also, having two Elites in one game would be way too frustrating.

Red is supposed to be the final challenge after beating 8 Kanto Gyms.
 

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In GSC, Johto was never supposed to be an "independent" region.

And that's why it's the one people care about the least.
 

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And that's why it's the one people care about the least.

Is it the reason to change it?

You don't seem to understand why I want the remakes so much.

I want to see familiar places, hear familiar tunes and generally have Deja Vu when playing the game. But also with a feel of subtle newness to it, with perfectly harmonical incorporation of new and old elements... OMG. I speak like one of those Feng Shui nerds...

It's a high expectation, I know. But I hope that's not ONLY me who wants such game. I believe it's just you who egoistically says "who cares about GSC Johto?". If you want a new Johto game, pray for one of future generations to be set in Johto...
 

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But FR/LG has shown us what to expect from Game Freak when remaking old games.

Frankly, no. With Platinum, we knew mostly what to expect, because we had three third-version games before that. But we've only had one set of remakes, and that doesn't make a pattern at all - and that's even ignoring the fact that the Gen. II games were fundamentally different from all the other generations in many important ways.

And really, who among us really has any right to define what makes a "remake"? It's a game, for god's sake - it's not worth putting such strict definitions and limitations around and then arguing about them.
 

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Frankly, no. With Platinum, we knew mostly what to expect, because we had three third-version games before that. But we've only had one set of remakes, and that doesn't make a pattern at all - and that's even ignoring the fact that the Gen. II games were fundamentally different from all the other generations in many important ways

Not necessarily. A third version game just builds of the last two released games, adding features, changing little bits and so on. A remake is a complete redo of an older game for the current system and updated to look like how a game should look today. It keeps the main storyline, characters and so on, but it adds new features that have appeared since the game was made (like new HMS, TMs, items, movesets etc...) better gameplay and so on.

FR/LG gave us the special starter pokemon moves (Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant, Hydro Cannon), Sevii (for catching gen II pokemon that did not exist at the time og gen I but for completing pokedex there needed to be one way of obtaining them as RS did not have that many gen II pokemon, mostly Gen III) It also gave us Vs seeker, before you had the card thing in RS that told you a list of all trainers that wanted a rematch, which sucked comapred to the Vs seaker IMO.

We can assume that Gen II remake will at least do similar to what FR/LG remake did. If the game is designed for DSi, then it will at least have an area specific for gen III pokemon, an example would be to keep Sevii for this purpose as all it was used before was to catch Gen II pokemon, no sense for that now as we have gen II pokemon. Gen IV pokemon can be traded from D/P/Pt, Gen I obtainable in kanto, we have all pokemon (or most) in one game, minus legendaries and some others Rest traded from the other remake game to the other. Walla, all main DS Pokemon games you can now obtain every pokemon from (except Gen III legendaries, unless deoxys is abailable again on Birth island)

Sevii had unown in Tanoby ruins, but it was never really explained much. I am hoping if that is left in, it is explained more since unown are somewhat a part of Gen II.
 

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Sevii had unown in Tanoby ruins, but it was never really explained much. I am hoping if that is left in, it is explained more since unown are somewhat a part of Gen II.

I never saw the appeal of Unown since they're living alphabet letters with only one move and have only ever done anything of interest at all in the third movie, and seem more like a gimmick in the games than anything of actual importance. They could alter them in the future, but until them they seem as notable as Spinda or Shellos East and West to me. Ooh, they're from another dimension and can warp reality if you have a few 1000 of them in one place. Too bad that's a moot point for the player since you can't capture 1000 of them in one ball. DSDG are pretty much GameFreak's last chance to redeem Unown - altering Unown to actually give them some gameplay purpose and explain their story - if not they're just going to remain the useless and goofy letter creatures that you only catch if you're a completist.
 

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I never seen much point to Unown either, but because of the ruins of Alph, they are signifigant to gen II, even if they just seem like letters of the alpahbet you can catch. In Anime, their hidden power does all sorts of funny stuff, but hidden power in game, its carp. If they had something to fi that, they would be useful. Their storyline is sort of important, but they are not, unless they have an important use or learn a better move or have a better ability.
 

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I dunno if a remake is a good idea. I mean... Gold/Silver are awesome. Sure, their graphics are dated, but who cares? I don't care much for graphics. I prefer characters and storyline.
 

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I dunno if a remake is a good idea. I mean... Gold/Silver are awesome. Sure, their graphics are dated, but who cares? I don't care much for graphics. I prefer characters and storyline.

Remember also that most peoples games don't save anymore? Thats not just one reason for a remake, there are many.
 

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I dunno if a remake is a good idea. I mean... Gold/Silver are awesome. Sure, their graphics are dated, but who cares? I don't care much for graphics. I prefer characters and storyline.

Luckily for you, nobody would force you to buy the remakes. The fact of the matter is that most Gold/Silver/Crystal game paks' batteries are running out of juice, making playing them impossible without replacing the battery (which is something some people can't do). That would be my own motivation for buying them. My GSC paks have been dead for three years.

Edit: Cross-posted with Shinx3000, who made the same point.
 
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