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Gold and Silver DS: Discussion, Debate, Wishlists

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instead of arguing how things shouldn't be there, how about what you think should?

Judging from his tone, absolutely nothing that wasn't in the Gameboy Color games.
 

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Um... I think I sort of see where Maxim is coming from.

Maybe.

Personally, the lack of any genuine reward for bothering with the Contests has always meant I've pretty much never bothered with them. They're a "try once, never again" kind of thing because there's just no attainable goal in doing them.

Personally, I think they should go back to having contest halls spread across the region and have a Grand Festival like the anime - but given D/P's movement with contests, I've got a feeling that aint ever going to happen.
 

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Personally, the lack of any genuine reward for bothering with the Contests has always meant I've pretty much never bothered with them. They're a "try once, never again" kind of thing because there's just no attainable goal in doing them.

Personally, I think they should go back to having contest halls spread across the region and have a Grand Festival like the anime - but given D/P's movement with contests, I've got a feeling that aint ever going to happen.

Ditto. The actual depth in contest increased, which was good, but their application in the games shrank, which was totally disappointing.
 

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So you don't like the Contests because you're NOT forced to do them?

Not quite. I don't like them because beating them is nothing more than acquiring nice-looking ribbons. It doesn't matter at all.

And your view is the only one that matters, since you're the producer of the games. There are plently of people who would have said that allowing you to acquire ANY Pokemon besides the original 151 didn't fit their view of remaking RBGY, but . . .

Hypocrite. There are many people that have different views on a remake. I'm telling you that my one is just one of many and there are more people than just me who wouldn't like contest in HGSS. And by criticizing my point of view, you make it seem like YOUR opinion is the only thing that matters. God... Hypocrisy is everywhere.

Simple solution: Johto ribbons are kept in a case like badges are. There, problem solved.

Doesn't make much sense. In Pokemon games, the ribbons are attached to certain Pokemon, so that you can beat the same contest with different Pokemon to acquire more than one same ribbon. Ribbons are attributed to Pokemon, not to a person, as in the anime.

No one's buying the "argument" that contests will somehow ruin the entire game, so you might as well quit while you're behind. :| Hell, they've got plenty of space to put them in - remember how about half of Goldenrod's map (and Saffron and Celadon's, for that matter) is empty space? Poffin house and contest hall could go right there, or even in the underground passageway that was so empty. There's no lack of space, and you're under zero obligation to do it, so why want to ruin everyone else's fun.

But a giant Contest Hall... come on. It's not the same as adding doors to some house.

There are a lot of players out there for whom the contests were a major revolution, whether you like it or not, and there's unarguably a contingent of players who train much more for contests than for battles.

Want Contest? Play DPPt. It's got pretty much everything Contest-wise and I doubt that HGSS would bring something new in that matter...

One of the greatest things about the Pokémon games is that there are a lot of different styles of playing, and a lot of different roles to take, whether it's a trainer, a breeder, a collector, or even a contest coordinator. So how about you stop putting down the contests and everyone who enjoys them and start talking in positives for once - instead of arguing how things shouldn't be there, how about what you think should?

You can't be a real coordinator in the game. You still have to beat E4 and stuff. That's why I think Contests are a gimmick. The only real role you can take is a Trainer, with other things being "part-time jobs". There's already DPPt for everyone who enjoy contests.

Judging from his tone, absolutely nothing that wasn't in the Gameboy Color games.

Read my previous posts. I'm actually talking about additions, changes, MINOR Kanto expansions very much and not always negatively. I'm also all for updates, as they're one of the purposes of remaking the game. So don't say such crap. I just think there will be some status quo in HGSS instead of your "change almost everything possible".

Some people (like you) have to understand that not everything is black or white, huge or tiny, hot or cold or whatever. The fact that I want less changes than you does not mean that I want no changes at all. However, status quo IS important. Mindless changing everything changeable is not good.
 

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Um... I think I sort of see where Maxim is coming from.

Maybe.

Personally, the lack of any genuine reward for bothering with the Contests has always meant I've pretty much never bothered with them. They're a "try once, never again" kind of thing because there's just no attainable goal in doing them.

Personally, I think they should go back to having contest halls spread across the region and have a Grand Festival like the anime - but given D/P's movement with contests, I've got a feeling that aint ever going to happen.

Actually, since there's so much unused space in several cities (most of them could easily be expanded a little), I'd say there's a better chance of that happening. But I also would like to see a bit more reward come from them, like being able to purchase better Poffins, or gaining access to better massages. They could still have less-effective massages or other happiness-elevators available, but that would give an incentive for people who are on the fence about Contests to give them a shot, and be able to do happiness evolutions quicker.
 

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Hypocrite. There are many people that have different views on a remake. I'm telling you that my one is just one of many and there are more people than just me who wouldn't like contest in HGSS. And by criticizing my point of view, you make it seem like YOUR opinion is the only thing that matters. God... Hypocrisy is everywhere.

Lulz.

Want Contest? Play DPPt. It's got pretty much everything Contest-wise and I doubt that HGSS would bring something new in that matter...

"Want Feature X? Play DPPt."
 

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Doesn't make much sense. In Pokemon games, the ribbons are attached to certain Pokemon, so that you can beat the same contest with different Pokemon to acquire more than one same ribbon. Ribbons are attributed to Pokemon, not to a person, as in the anime.

In RSE, you could check what ribbons have been obtained by what Pokémon on your PokéNav - why couldn't the same kind of tracking be achieved by a ribbon case without the ribbons actually being attached to the Pokémon? You've been fairly creative with solutions for adding new items, so the only reason I can see for you rejecting such a solution for Contest ribbons is that you just plain don't want them in the game, not because they couldn't work.

But a giant Contest Hall... come on. It's not the same as adding doors to some house.

Oh please, like the cities' and routes' areas aren't already going to be expanded by the updated graphics. They wouldn't even have to put the largest main hall in Goldenrod - they could have the Contest circuit be a joint Johto-Kanto one, with the biggest hall in Celadon or Saffron, there's certainly plenty of space in both of those cities.

Want Contest? Play DPPt. It's got pretty much everything Contest-wise and I doubt that HGSS would bring something new in that matter...

You "doubt", but you have no evidence. I'm sure the developers have received a ton of feedback about the DPPt Contests, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were changes made from the format of those Contests to the new ones.

You can't be a real coordinator in the game. You still have to beat E4 and stuff. That's why I think Contests are a gimmick. The only real role you can take is a Trainer, with other things being "part-time jobs". There's already DPPt for everyone who enjoy contests.

Really? That's like saying you can't be a "real" breeder or a "real" collector either, because you have to train and battle before you have access to all Pokémon. Actually, no - it's more like saying you can't be a "real" doctor because you have to go through years and years of general education before you start medical school.

It's an absolutely absurd argument - moves are central to Contests just as they are to battles, and how do you think they learn a lot of those moves? Just because battling is necessary in order to be good at Contests does not mean that completing the Contests with as many Pokémon as possible can't be one's main goal. If you have to beat the E4 to finish the main story oka, whatever, that's the way the story goes. But outside of the story, you can play however you damn well want, and if someone loves coordinating, they should be able to do so in these remakes.

And if for no other reason, it will be there so more people will buy the game, and Nintendo can make more money, and considering that the very high expected returns for these remakes are more than likely the main reason they're being made in the first place, they're going to keep and add as much as possible in order to attract as many different kinds of players as possible.
 
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YES YES YES YES. Now all i need for this to be hardcore to the effing max is later on hear the gym leader music for Kanto leaders remixed into something completely badass. This is da shit!
 

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I think i can understand Maxims unease about the possibility of contests being added to HGSS (although i think he's being slightly irrational). I suppose if you belong to the school of people that idolise GSC (and, to be honest, i think a lot of long time players will have a special place in their hearts for it, what with it being the first time Pokefans experienced the anticipation and excitement that we're feeling now with HGSS) then the prospect of adding something that COULD change some of the game mechanics, depending on implimentation, would be like tampering with a classic film.

But i think that we've just got to have faith that, if contests are added in HGSS (and why not, i say?), that they're done cleverly and subtley.

I doubt its going to detract from the "Feel" of Johto.

And as for there not being enough space in towns etc, two words: Battle. Tent.

But anyway, enough arguing eh? This is a great piece of news, lets get debating/discussing.

I want to know whats going to happen to the "Time Machine" and how tradings going to work?

Anybody else wondering if we'll get new Formes? With this being a new Gen IV title we *should* be able to trade pokemon that have already proven to have different Formes in different versions/under special conditions: Giratina, Shaymin, Burmy (new coat due to some unique Johto ecology?), Deoxys (Kanto White rock subquest anyone?), Shellos/Gastrodon, Manaphy( Pearl Pokedex entry: Water makes up 80% of its body. This Pokémon is easily affected by its environment.)

I know some of those arn't alternate "Formes" per se, but still, could be interesting.

Hello, by the way.

Been a while, haha.
 

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I think the White Rock in Kanto will just be a way to get Shaymin in HGSS, but you never know. And I'd actually be fine with no new Formes at the moment - they seem to have been binging on them lately, and my personal opinion is that the rest of the legendaries are fine just the way they are. New ones wouldn't be unwelcome, but they've also got to think about the future, and the fact that they're going to have to add the Forme-changing criteria for each Pokémon into every future game, and that means the less there are, the easier it'll be on them.

I saw a fake report somewhere about a possible new Forme of Heatran, and while it was pretty obviously fake, it reminded me of that legendary, and it got me thinking: involving a Heatran in the Cinnabar eruption could make for a very interesting side quest. Heck, they could even involve Groudon if they wanted to get really crazy. XD Either of those would probably be way too drastic a change, but hey, I like wild speculation, and I'd love for Game freak to surprise us.
 

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I'll be happiest if they leave Johto as intact as possible, then make what ever changes they feel to the Kanto plotline. They could incorperate the white rock, 3rd and 4th gen Pokemon and the like after the protagonist has completed the main plot. It just won't feel as special if people are facing off against Whitney with Togekiss and Mamoswine.
 

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Well then what i like is that it will not only have an ovehaul for graphics(if this is what I think it means then holy hell. I though platinum was good I wonder how great the graphics could get this time around!) but packed with new features. Sure it could mean the old features as new but thats a given. The new new which are all new for Pokemon is what will intrigue me. Anyway i skipped school for the last 2 hours just to go on the net to start hyping speculating the works.
 

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I saw a fake report somewhere about a possible new Forme of Heatran, and while it was pretty obviously fake, it reminded me of that legendary, and it got me thinking: involving a Heatran in the Cinnabar eruption could make for a very interesting side quest. Heck, they could even involve Groudon if they wanted to get really crazy. XD Either of those would probably be way too drastic a change, but hey, I like wild speculation, and I'd love for Game freak to surprise us.

I would find Cinnabar more interesting if they actually let you go inside the volcano, and actually see it, which wasn't done in Gen I or Gen II. We were just supposed to believe that there was an invisible volcano there, which is why blowing up the island in Gen II was such a bad move obviously meant to save on effort, time, and work.
 

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but packed with new features. Sure it could mean the old features as new but thats a given.
The announcement confirmed that Johto will be complemented with both current features (as in features new to Johto but not to the series), as well as with brand new features.
 

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The announcement made a point of there being both current features (as in features new to Johto but not to the series), as well as brand new features.
Oh yesh. I am guessing this will be a strange summer we will go through. Not only movie 12 being the greatest thing Pokemon have ever put in movie theaters but news on this post-E3 hype and this. Did I mention this will be the buzz of the net till the game is released?
 

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Heart Gold and Soul Silver

WAY DINEN"T I THINK OF THAT! :banghead:

Anyway I'm hoping for it to be worth the wate. I had something else to say but I don't remember.
 

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I'm merely speculating here but, with the HGSS (lol SS) due and the DSi out there's a strong possibility that all the Pokémon that required Pal Park from in DPPt will be avaliable. At the moment, the following are absent:
Kanto starters
Mewtwo
Johto Starters (which will be in HGSS)
Beast trio (which will be in HGSS)
Lugia and Ho-oh
Hoenn starters
Weather trio
Plus the old event legends.

I hope that at least some of those other than the Johto starters and beasts will be avaliable.
 

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I'm merely speculating here but, with the HGSS (lol SS) due and the DSi out there's a strong possibility that all the Pokémon that required Pal Park from in DPPt will be avaliable. At the moment, the following are absent:
Kanto starters
Mewtwo
Johto Starters (which will be in HGSS)
Beast trio (which will be in HGSS)
Lugia and Ho-oh
Hoenn starters
Weather trio
Plus the old event legends.

I hope that at least some of those other than the Johto starters and beasts will be avaliable.
Kanto Starters- I wouldn't mind much if Oak gives you them or something.
Mewtwo- They could if they want shove him in.
Lugia and Ho-oh- This is freaking obvious I dunno how you let that slip.:XD2:
Hoenn Starters- No idea. GTS most likely.
Weather Trio-GTS.
Old event legends- I wouldn't mind Jirachi being in this one.
 
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Kanto Starters- I wouldn't mind much if Oak gives you them or something.
Mewtwo- They could if they want shove him in.
Lugia and Ho-oh- This is freaking obvious I dunno how you let that slip.:XD2:
Hoenn Starters- No idea. GTS most likely.
Weather Trio-GTS.
Old event legends- I wouldn't mind Jirachi being in this one.

Adding Jirachi would be PURE GOLD.:lick: I love that guy...n.n;;

Yeah, removing the Dsi...if there's ONE THING it'll be adding to, it's the overall chalange of 'catching'um all'. They can't exactly make it 'too easy' now that their making the g/s re-makes...soo yeah. If it's too easy, it's not much fun, right?:nono::XD2:

We need to try out the GTS sometime on our d/p/p games, too...

PS: What does everyone here think of the titles 'Heart Gold' and 'Soul Silver'? o.o Do you think these are the real relese names? Just curius...lol
 

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All the Generation III Pokémon, with the notable exceptions of starters and legendaries, should be found as wild Pokémon in the Kanto Safari Zone and Sevii Islands that are likely to be included. The dependence on the Poké Radar and Swarms should be eliminated, since the total number of routes will be far greater than Sinnoh's.

Latias and Latios are by far the most important legendary Pokémon from the aforementioned list. Outside the Eon Ticket event, only one of the two could be obtained per a game, and their IVs were restricted to a very low range (due to the mechanics involved). In light of this, they should both be available in HeartGold and SoulSilver without an event. Moreover, their inclusion would make the Dragon's Den a lot more interesting post-National Dex. It would also be very nice if Clair and Lance were given a deeper backstory through this.

Jirachi comes as a close second for not being available to non-Japanese players who don't have a GameCube (or in the case of American players, simply didn't get the chance to pre-order Colosseum). Bearing in mind that Crystal's GS Ball event required players to wait a day for Kurt to examine the ball, would a Jirachi event require a week to elapse so as to reflect the legend? It might be viewed as annoying by some, but bypassing the requirement would be easy enough.
 
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