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Gold and Silver DS: Discussion, Debate, Wishlists

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Latias and Latios are by far the most important ones. Outside the Eon Ticket event, only one of the two could be obtained per a game, and their IVs were restricted to a very low range (due to the mechanics involved). They should both be available in HeartGold and SoulSilver without an event.

Moreover, their inclusion would make the Dragon Den a lot more interesting post-National Dex. It would also be very nice if Clair and Lance's were given a deeper backstory through this.

I agree, they should add the 2 lati :3 ^^ Both of them in both games, it add more's chalinge in a way since you'll have like 5 Legendary Pokémon that'll run away from you XD That'd be cool^^ Better raise up those Mean Lookers now..lol

Ahh, yeah...LanceXClair FTW^^ I remember them liking each other from Crystal...n.n;;
 

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I agree, they should add the 2 lati :3 ^^ Both of them in both games, it add more's chalinge in a way since you'll have like 5 Legendary Pokémon that'll run away from you XD That'd be cool^^ Better raise up those Mean Lookers now..lol
Not necessarily. They could be stationary as they were on Southern Island, but found through normal gameplay.
 
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No, no more running. Entei, Raikou and Suicune can run, but I'm tired of tracking fleeing pokémon down, and five fleeing pokémon is not what I want in a game. I want Latios and Latias to be in the game however.
 

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PS: What does everyone here think of the titles 'Heart Gold' and 'Soul Silver'? o.o Do you think these are the real relese names? Just curius...lol
I love the names and the meanings of them. Yes they are the release names cause they never change it last second. Anyway Johto map and Kanto map in DS graphics, the graphics being in general a step higher the platinum is also interesting and the pokegear will be my favorite feature.
 

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To bad they did not work a U in the titles so it would be Pokemon "Hugss"

It's a joke
 

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All the Generation III Pokémon, with the notable exceptions of starters and legendaries, should be found as wild Pokémon in the Kanto Safari Zone and Sevii Islands that are likely to be included. The dependence on the Poké Rader and Swarms should be eliminated, since the total number of routes will be far greater than Sinnoh's.

Latias and Latios are by far the most important legendary Pokémon from the aforementioned list. Outside the Eon Ticket event, only one of the two could be obtained per a game, and their IVs were restricted to a very low range (due to the mechanics involved). In light of this, they should both be available in HeartGold and SoulSilver without an event. Moreover, their inclusion would make the Dragon Den a lot more interesting post-National Dex. It would also be very nice if Clair and Lance's were given a deeper backstory through this.

Jirachi comes as a close second for not being available to non-Japanese players who don't have a GameCube (or in the case of American players, simply didn't get the chance to pre-order Colosseum). Bearing in mind that Crystal's GS Ball event required players to wait a day for Kurt to examine the ball, would a Jirachi event require a week to elapse so as to reflect the legend? It might be viewed as annoying by some, but bypassing the requirement would be easy enough.

I agree that most if not all of the Hoenn Pokémon should be available in the game post-national dex.

Perhaps when you go to Oak's lab you can "see" the starters, making it possible to get them off of the GTS.

Likewise for the Hoenn starters and legends, I suppose. Don't know where exactly this could be implemented.

Having a deeper Dragon's Den story involving Latias and Latios and building upon Lance and Clair's backstory would be pretty cool.

I'm just disappointed that with the absence of a Dragonbreath TM, we won't have Clair make that "It's not about my breath" joke. :-(
 

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To bad they did not work a U in the titles so it would be Pokemon "Hugss"

It's a joke
I already did that trust me. XD I know its cheesy but they send us hugss and kisses for being so good to them and being so impatient for this.
 

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I will be quite annoyed if the [email protected] are both found in HGSS, because I just played Emerald twice in a row to catch them. Of course, it would be nice for those who don't have the GBA games.
 

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Nintendo better not take out the Kanto section of the game.
 

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Nintendo better not take out the Kanto section of the game.
Oh FFS. Do I have to repeat myself so many times that I might shoot myself. Kanto has much need to be in. The League. The only way to get to Mount Silver. This white rock thing. The other feather. A hopeful new story extension(platinum proved that was a small after E-4 thing but this time way bigger). So yeah people for the love of my insanity don't be so stupid to think Kanto is out.
 

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They're 心 (kokoro) and 魂 (tamashii), but those don't really matter since the game's names are transliterated into katakana directly from English: ハートゴールド (hāto gōrudo) and ソウルシルバー (souru shirubā).
Thank you for the information. I will do some more research on what katakana is though.
 

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Ok, as much as I hate speculation, there is plenty that can be done here. I will start with the question "Will Crystal's features be included?" I ask this not only because Crystal is part of Johto's identity now, but because of the Pokemon Communication Center, a feature that was never used to its full potential in the states. This can be handled by the DS's Wi-Fi now. Do it. Also, the Crystal Battle Tower. Everyone loves this feature, why not include it?

Next, the berry system. G/S introduced this concept, but Ru/Sa expanded it, and was expanded slightly more by the fourth gen. Will they keep the old system or replace it with the new one? And if they do replace it, what happens to the Apricorns? Granted, the fourth gen has it's own set of balls that are perhaps more practical than the originals, but either way, it could be tweaked. It's not G/S without Kurt, at least have him do something.

Now for the dialog. The original Gold and Silver talk about the Steel and Dark types being new, which is no longer true since the presence of both types were observed in the past (see the third gen). I also seem to recall there being other inconsistencies that need to be ironed out, but I cannot remember them.

On that note, the Time Machine. This feature no longer has a purpose in the current trading environment, that is if they follow the model of FR/LG and replace the old TM/HM system with the present one. That's another thing, Crystal's Move Tutor. I don't see why it wouldn't return. Will they make a new area just so that we can use the HMs of the fourth gen? Also, Whirlpool needs to be fixed, as it is no longer a HM or even a TM, and we need it here.

The G/S Dex. It originally had a unique system that sorted pokemon lines for us, although it technically did not have it's own numbering system. FR/LG would incorporate a similar system, albeit reimagined. Also, now we have to put the National Dex into play. I'm sure that will be worked in a similar fashion to FR/LG, though.

How will the Trainer House be handled now? That is if they want to bother giving us G/S/C's Kanto again. This feature was once powered by Mystery Gift and allowed you to fight a copy of the other player's team. (albeit controlled by the game's AI) True, this could also be Wi-Fi'd, but why would you need to?

Next, graphics. Johto in D/P/Pt's engine? Will they do something new with this? I'm sure we're all looking forward to seeing our old Johto friends with new sprites. We have already seen Kanto redone, but G/S/C's Kanto in the D/P/Pt engine as well? I don't know what to think about that if it is done.

Since I'm running out of ideas, I'll end this with everyone's favorite subject: Pokemon. FR/LG had a whole new area where not only did the new HMs come into play, but we were given access to second gen pokemon we couldn't get in the third gen before. Although we already have most of the pokemon available to us one way or another in the fourth gen, it will be nice to have access to non-event Lugia and Ho-oh again. Still, will they make a new area again, and what pokemon could they put there? Will we still have G/S/C Kanto and it's blandness? Of course we will be able to trade directly with D/P/Pt. Will the Gym Leaders and E4 receive new teams and get stronger like they did in Platinum? If one Crystal feature is going to be reprised, I know almost for certain that we will see animations again, although probably still not ones as complicated as the Crystal ones were.
 

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Nintendo better not take out the Kanto section of the game.

:unworthy: Thank you so much I hope the Dodos keep it in the game and find a way to work in a Dark type Gym leader Also Some body that Trains Ground types replaces Blue

And A top trainer Caffe like in Platinum
 

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Ok, as much as I hate speculation, there is plenty that can be done here. I will start with the question "Will Crystal's features be included?" I ask this not only because Crystal is part of Johto's identity now, but because of the Pokemon Communication Center, a feature that was never used to its full potential in the states. This can be handled by the DS's Wi-Fi now. Do it. Also, the Crystal Battle Tower. Everyone loves this feature, why not include it?
Crystal things I expect are the improved dragons den battle tower the unown story a bit and some more I cannot remember.

Next, the berry system. G/S introduced this concept, but Ru/Sa expanded it, and was expanded slightly more by the fourth gen. Will they keep the old system or replace it with the new one? And if they do replace it, what happens to the Apricorns? Granted, the fourth gen has it's own set of balls that are perhaps more practical than the originals, but either way, it could be tweaked. It's not G/S without Kurt, at least have him do something.
For berries I bet they will have the berries that have the same effect in GS to be the only ones here. And for Apricorns I can see the special balls of the current gen becoming Apricorn made balls. Same eefects and all.

Now for the dialog. The original Gold and Silver talk about the Steel and Dark types being new, which is no longer true since the presence of both types were observed in the past (see the third gen). I also seem to recall there being other inconsistencies that need to be ironed out, but I cannot remember them.
The dark and steel type being new and I think shinnies as well. I cannot remember.

On that note, the Time Machine. This feature no longer has a purpose in the current trading environment, that is if they follow the model of FR/LG and replace the old TM/HM system with the present one. That's another thing, Crystal's Move Tutor. I don't see why it wouldn't return. Will they make a new area just so that we can use the HMs of the fourth gen? Also, Whirlpool needs to be fixed, as it is no longer a HM or even a TM, and we need it here.
Whirlpool getting a fix for this game is a given

The G/S Dex. It originally had a unique system that sorted pokemon lines for us, although it technically did not have it's own numbering system. FR/LG would incorporate a similar system, albeit reimagined. Also, now we have to put the National Dex into play. I'm sure that will be worked in a similar fashion to FR/LG, though.
Nothing to say.

How will the Trainer House be handled now? That is if they want to bother giving us G/S/C's Kanto again. This feature was once powered by Mystery Gift and allowed you to fight a copy of the other player's team. (albeit controlled by the game's AI) True, this could also be Wi-Fi'd, but why would you need to?
Kanto will be in. Why wouldn't it? As for the trainer house maybe it could have gym leaders. Or you can battle whenever you feel like it your friends team.

Next, graphics. Johto in D/P/Pt's engine? Will they do something new with this? I'm sure we're all looking forward to seeing our old Johto friends with new sprites. We have already seen Kanto redone, but G/S/C's Kanto in the D/P/Pt engine as well? I don't know what to think about that if it is done.
They said the graphics will be brand new so expect a greater level of quality for graphics. Possibly better then platinum.

Since I'm running out of ideas, I'll end this with everyone's favorite subject: Pokemon. FR/LG had a whole new area where not only did the new HMs come into play, but we were given access to second gen pokemon we couldn't get in the third gen before. Although we already have most of the pokemon available to us one way or another in the fourth gen, it will be nice to have access to non-event Lugia and Ho-oh again. Still, will they make a new area again, and what pokemon could they put there? Will we still have G/S/C Kanto and it's blandness? Of course we will be able to trade directly with D/P/Pt. Will the Gym Leaders and E4 receive new teams and get stronger like they did in Platinum? If one Crystal feature is going to be reprised, I know almost for certain that we will see animations again, although probably still not ones as complicated as the Crystal ones were.
All I have to say is bolded.
 

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even though it had already officaly been announced i can watch tv tokyo through my computer software what time is Pokemon Sunday on?
 

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Heart Gold and Soul Silver. i am suitably impressed but feel some fan names were better!

Heard the news at school and made an arse of myslef infront of everyone when i jumped up and down in celebration. No one understands!
 

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even though it had already officaly been announced i can watch tv tokyo through my computer software what time is Pokemon Sunday on?
7:30Am to 8:30AM. SO yeah whatever time area you are in calculate it, for the difference.
Heart Gold and Soul Silver. i am suitably impressed but feel some fan names were better!

Heard the news at school and made an arse of myslef infront of everyone when i jumped up and down in celebration. No one understands!
XD I can't relate. I was all look at this to my friend and he was all no wai! My other friend who just cannot seem to see why we like Pokemon at 16 was all wtf you guys. I think its just cause of his trying to be cool.
 

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I didn't think many of the people I knew would be interested. But someone else posted it up on our college forum and loads of people were excited about it. I didn't know half them even played pokemon
 

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I didn't think many of the people I knew would be interested. But someone else posted it up on our college forum and loads of people were excited about it. I didn't know half them even played pokemon

Perhaps it was nostalgia? Anyway, on the Norwegian Pokémon Forum it seems like half the members really hated GS. But the average age there is so low they haven't played GSC when they were young. They're also virtually against any change in storyline too, even though it's the story they really hate. I don't understand them at times.
 

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When the game is announced in Pokemon Sunday (as I'm expecting some of my question to be answered that day), I'm going to post my 100 questions about the HGSS (yeah, they are literally 100). Some of the questions coincide with your ones.

Ok, as much as I hate speculation, there is plenty that can be done here. I will start with the question "Will Crystal's features be included?" I ask this not only because Crystal is part of Johto's identity now, but because of the Pokemon Communication Center, a feature that was never used to its full potential in the states. This can be handled by the DS's Wi-Fi now. Do it. Also, the Crystal Battle Tower. Everyone loves this feature, why not include it?

Yeah. I hope that some Crystal features will be included. Battle Tower is now a must-be in every game. So, why not include it in the old place from Crystal? Same with Communication Center, which would serve as Johto's GTS (but still be named PCC, for the sake of tradition).

Next, the berry system. G/S introduced this concept, but Ru/Sa expanded it, and was expanded slightly more by the fourth gen. Will they keep the old system or replace it with the new one? And if they do replace it, what happens to the Apricorns? Granted, the fourth gen has it's own set of balls that are perhaps more practical than the originals, but either way, it could be tweaked. It's not G/S without Kurt, at least have him do something.

To be honest, I would like them to keep old Berry system just because I'd love to see how those berries look like (as we have Item Sprites now). But I know they won't do it and they'll probably update Berry system to the Generation IV standard. And that's good they'll do it.


Updating the game > Maxim's curiosity to see old berries

Anyway, I wonder what they'll do with old items. There's no problem with Key Items, so these will surely be kept. But what with other items like Ragecandybar, Slowpoketail or Berserk Gene?

Well, my idea is, that they would make a separate bag case for hold items, so all other items would not be holdable anymore and hence, couldn't be traded with Pokemon. However, some of GSC-only items were hold items (like Berserk Gene). What to do with them? Well. Maybe the Wi-Fi battle rooms would be divided into a room which connects only with HGSS users, and the other one which connects with DPPt users. In the later one, new items would not be allowed.

Also, Pink Bow could be replaced with Silk Scarf. Though I really would love to see Pink and Polkadot Bows...

The items that could be obtained only by sending a Pokemon through Time Machine (e.g. Gold Leaf, Silver Leaf) could be discarded. Though, I would personally love it if Nintendo put them in different place (or at least include them as unused data in the ROM, so we could extract their sprites).

As for the Trophy-holding Boxes, they are technically no longer needed because there's no Stadium anymore. But since trophies for room (considering that decorative room will be included, and it's likely) would be nice, I think Nintendo could give them out with giveaway Pokemon. It would be certainly interesting.

And they'll find the way to keep Kurt's Pokeballs, I'm sure about this. If a Pokemon is caught in it and traded to DPPt, it would probably change itself into a PokeBall... but who knows.

Apricorns could be hold in a special container (like the Berry Bag in FR/LG or the Poffin Case) so the player can't give them to Pokemon and trade them.

Now for the dialog. The original Gold and Silver talk about the Steel and Dark types being new, which is no longer true since the presence of both types were observed in the past (see the third gen). I also seem to recall there being other inconsistencies that need to be ironed out, but I cannot remember them.

Following the timeline, HGSS takes place in the same time as GSC, so the Steel-type is still new. But that may not work, as we've already knew Steel type for years and there's no need to excuse its existence... I dunno what they'll do with it.

On that note, the Time Machine. This feature no longer has a purpose in the current trading environment

You know, they could change it into something Pal Park-like for trading with Generation III. But putting it would be kind of a DSi discrimination (I don't think that the games will be DSi exclusives, by the way) so they might not do it and simply discard it and change Bill into the developer of Johto's Wii system.

that is if they follow the model of FR/LG and replace the old TM/HM system with the present one. That's another thing, Crystal's Move Tutor. I don't see why it wouldn't return. Will they make a new area just so that we can use the HMs of the fourth gen? Also, Whirlpool needs to be fixed, as it is no longer a HM or even a TM, and we need it here.

The new TM system will probably be applied, as it's a generational change rather than a thing that varies between games. But it's very, very possible that not all 92 TMs will be obtainable, just some of them. The significant old TM moves would probably be Move Tutor-ed. Headbutt could be somewhat made a multiple-chance Move Tutor, as it's very significant (you know, the trees). As for HMs, I believe the useless Defog would be changed into Whirlpool and the HM08 would not be used at all.

The G/S Dex. It originally had a unique system that sorted pokemon lines for us, although it technically did not have it's own numbering system. FR/LG would incorporate a similar system, albeit reimagined. Also, now we have to put the National Dex into play. I'm sure that will be worked in a similar fashion to FR/LG, though.

I expect there to be a new Johto Dex with similar ordering to the Johto Dex Mode in GSC but without Pokemon like Kanto starters and Kanto legends. The National Dex could be given... I don't know... maybe after beating the Kanto Leaders, along with the Sevii Ticket. After completing the Sevii quest, Red could be the final challenge. But I'm speculating... We don't know hat's gonna happen.

How will the Trainer House be handled now? That is if they want to bother giving us G/S/C's Kanto again. This feature was once powered by Mystery Gift and allowed you to fight a copy of the other player's team. (albeit controlled by the game's AI) True, this could also be Wi-Fi'd, but why would you need to?

I'm also interested in that. And no, I hope it won't be Wi-Fi'ed. It would kill Trainer House's purpose from GSC. It was supposed to be a good place to train your Pokemon levels. Wi-Fi battles don't allow that. Even if they decide that the Trainer House would be something connective, there still should be an option to battle a NPC - Cal (I wonder what they'd do with him) or the clone of your last Wi-Fi opponent.

Next, graphics. Johto in D/P/Pt's engine? Will they do something new with this? I'm sure we're all looking forward to seeing our old Johto friends with new sprites. We have already seen Kanto redone, but G/S/C's Kanto in the D/P/Pt engine as well? I don't know what to think about that if it is done.

Well, await minor expansions to the maps. That would be done to fit with DPPt's engine (otherwise, Johto would be too small). But that doesn't mean adding new things. I mean just expanding the space. It won't affect the gameplay much and won't spoil the old GSC climate.
 
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