BDSP HMs - Keep or Toss?

[Trainer Gabriel]

DP/Pt were possibly the worst when it came to HMs with moves like Rock Smash and Rock Climb being necessary, so I hope they're not used this time.

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

If there a move deleter and a move reminder in every pokemon center and tms are reusable, how HMs that big of an issue? "They weaken your team" I always saw that part of the challenge. I say keep them. Just delete them in the pokemon center before big fights

 

[Daenerys]

I don't know anyone who actually likes HMs so they're better off gone for good. Also I hope the Surfing speed in these games is faster than in the originals.

 

[LuxrayOfTheWild]

To me faithful remake suggests they will be back just as they were in ORAS

The thing is, back during ORAS, they haven't removed HM's yet. And when it comes to remakes, while it adopted the catching mechanics of Pokemon Go, Let's Go was pretty faithful to the original games, though they did cut out HM's. HM's haven't been used since ORAS, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed they won't return. Sinnoh is an absolute nightmare when it comes to HM's needed.

 

[Sheep]

I'd prefer them gone too, especially when it comes to DP since HMs were so insanely tedious over there orz. I know they want to stay faithful to the original games but I'm hoping things people obviously didn't like aren't part of that. @_@

 

[GalarChamp_Cinderace]

I hated Hms in Gen VI and earlier, so I'd like to get rid of them.

 

[Hidden Mew]

I'd be genuinely surprised if they brought HMs back. They haven't been used in ages and even Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee found a way to get around HMs despite effectively being a Yellow remake. Even if they are going for a more faithful D/P remake than I'm expecting with BD/SP, bringing back HMs would seem like such an odd choice after nearly two generations where they avoided the mechanic.

I don't think I was as annoyed by HMs as other fans were, but I'm sure it helped that most of my team members could learn the more useful/powerful HMs too. If all Pokemon Centers have move deleters/move tutors and/or we can access the PC anything like in Sword/Shield in order to get Pokemon who know specific HM moves, then maybe it wouldn't be that bad to have them again, but I'd still prefer for them to toss HMs and find different ways to get around the overworld.

 

[GhostLucario]

If we have move deleters and relearners in PCs and TMs/TRs are unlimited use, I don't see a problem with HMs being back
But if not then I want them to be removed

 

[Greninjaman]

Honestly, why can't we just delete the HM move by teaching a new move? I don't understand why we could not delete them ourselves. We can with TMs, why not HMs?

 

[Phosphene]

Honestly, why can't we just delete the HM move by teaching a new move? I don't understand why we could not delete them ourselves. We can with TMs, why not HMs?

In the oldest games, I assume it was because you could actually get rid of your HM and then softlock yourself by deleting the HM move. With more modern games, I think it was never really a priority and therefore wasn't changed.

 

[Greninjaman]

In the oldest games, I assume it was because you could actually get rid of your HM and then softlock yourself by deleting the HM move. With more modern games, I think it was never really a priority and therefore wasn't changed.

Ok. I will give you that.

 

[Snowy]

In my opinion, they should return for the remakes - and only the remakes. HMs and HM slaves were a part of the originals and i think they should keep them for the remakes.

 

[MaryBronyLord]

I had no Idea whether HMs was extremely Insane, so I would likely a Toss.

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't expect HMs to stay unless they want these games to be as faithful to the originals as possible.

 

[Yami-no-Game]

Please get rid of them. I remember how annoying it was to climb Mt. Coronet because you needed so many HM's just to get to Spear Pillar. Plus all the other areas that required HM's too. :c

 

[Dorothy]

HMs are garbage, but Game Freak being Game Freak, they are absolutely coming back in the remakes.

 

[GrookeyFan77]

No HMs pls

 

[prog rocker]

HMs are garbage, but Game Freak being Game Freak, they are absolutely coming back in the remakes.

People said that about LGPE. They didn't come back.

 

[PurplePopplio]

Please toss HMs right into the nearest supernova. PokeRide should be a staple going forward.

 

[DCM]

Hot take - I think HMs offer slight restrictions on the player without too much of a cost. I don't mind the idea, in the story, of having players have to pay some cost for the ability to travel to more places (rock smash / strength / surf) or for the convenience of faster travel (fly). I would really like HMs to return and I would really like more routes to be expanded - a rock-climb hill on an early route with an item on it, a surfable location with a waterfall midway, etc. Making the HM not easy to remove also makes it feel like those decisions carry more weight.