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Inconsistency regarding episode numbering in the original series

Discussion in 'Bulbawiki Forum' started by pokemega32, Aug 25, 2016.

  1. pokemega32

    pokemega32 New Member

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    I notice there's a seeming inconsistency in the numbering of four episodes of the original anime series: Holiday Hi-Jynx, Snow Way Out!, Princess vs. Princess and The Purr-fect Hero.

    All four of these episodes were intended to air in a different order than they were actually aired, as seen in an earlier schedule on all of their pages, but the schedule was reordered following the seizure incident in EP038 and the resulting hiatus.

    However, the way the wiki handles the numbering of the former two episodes is different from how it handles the latter two.

    Holiday Hi-Jynx and Snow Way Out! are unnumbered, and included in the episode list between EP038 and EP039, where they were originally intended to air, rather than between EP064 and EP065 when they actually aired.

    Princess vs. Princess and The Purr-fect Hero however are numbered as EP052 and EP053 respectively, which is when they actually aired. The pre-hiatus schedule listed them as airing following The Problem with Paras (EP044).

    Is there an official episode listing that these decisions are based on, or does the conflict simply result from different users making the numbering/listing decision and not being aware of the other decision?
     
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  2. Force Fire

    Force Fire Bulbapedia Administrator

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    From the trivia:
    • Due to not airing when initially intended, it is considered by Bulbapedia to be a special episode.
     
  3. pokemega32

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    That's my point though. Why is that logic used for Holiday Hi-Jynx and Snow Way Out! but not for the other two episodes?
     
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    Force Fire Bulbapedia Administrator

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    From my knowledge, EP052 and 053 aired regularly, as in, they weren't advertised as specials. Whereas Snow Way Out and Holiday Hi Jynx were advertised as specials. Note that this is going by the dub, since we're an English wiki.

    Also, in the Holiday Hi-Jynx talk page, a decision was made not to move them four episodes around since it'd add unnecessary work. We'd have to move/edit well over 800 pages, and it's something we're just not gonna do.
     
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    Ah, I realized both pairs had aired as hour-long holiday specials in Japan, so I sort of skimmed over the part that specified Kids' WB! advertising the first pair as such.

    However, would it not still make sense to move the two down the episode list to when they aired, even if they're still unnumbered?
     
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    i really do not like double standard here... despite the japanese episode having the word special episode in front of the title, these 2 are still treated as normal episodes. The next episode clip in "It's Mr. Mime Time" still shows "Holiday Hi-Jynx". The next episode clip in "Snow Way Out" still shows "Showdown at the Po-ké Corral". They still appears in re-runs between those episodes. While airing out of order, they should still be considered EP065 and EP066 respectively.

    Special episodes such as these do not have the treatment of next episode clip in japan and usually only air one time unlike these 2 episodes. Flashback to "Snow Way Out" appears in BW series unlike other special which are seldom referenced.

    "An Undersea Place to Call Home!" reruns in japan in the original order so no issue there. "A Fishing Connoisseur in a Fishy Competition!" is retcon and had aired in its new order ever since so no issue too.
    However, "Princess vs Princess" and "The Purr-fect Hero" also do not air as intended. Despite taking place after "So Near, Yet So Farfetch'd", "Princess vs Princess" still numbered after that episode so airing out of order should not be an issue.

    So why are Holiday Hi Jynx and Snow Way Out treated differently? Is it because
    "Princess vs Princess" is important because Jessie catches a pokemon and these 2 does not? Is it because admins do not want to redirect hundreds of links just because of these 2 episodes? Can an admin pls give as a satisfied answer? (except for not wanting to redirect hundreds of links. this is an excuse IMO, not a valid reason).

    TL;DR, Holiday Hi Jynx and Snow Way out are no different from Princess vs Princess and The Purr-fect Hero due to the many similarity and should be listed as EP065 and EP066.

    Thanks for reading
     
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  7. SnorlaxMonster

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    Yes, Holiday Hi Jynx and Snow Way out are no different from Princess vs Princess and The Purr-fect Hero. You can see that the Japanese site treats all four episodes the same way.

    I've brought up the possibility of moving them before, but since that would mess with the entire established episode numbering system, which many people are used to, we have opted not to change it. Even post-original series episode have EP### redirects, so moving one of these pairs would mess with every single episode.
     
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    Maybe they should be given some number like H01 and H02, H referring to Holiday.
     
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    I don't think that really fixes anything.
     
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    Basically any "solution" would require moving a vast numbers of episodes--and the relinking of each one would be far worse. The long and short of it is, it's simply very unlikely to change.
     
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    I know this topic is done, and most likely nothing will change, but they recently announce sm049 as the 1000 ep. And according to dogasu,
    So basically holiday hi-jynx and snow way out are included, same with the mega specials.
     
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    The staff are aware, and the piece is hidden on SM049 trivia's page. Whether we will move the other episode pages to match is still very unlikely.