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Preview JN053: Catch the Legend!? Find the Guardian of Water - Suicune!!

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I think that's kind of a harsh way to look at Goh. We don't know what exactly caused him to go for the catching option first or even if it is his first instinct, but assuming that he's just taking advantage of the situation for his own gain, as opposed to having a potentially fast way to save Suicune, seems like an unnecessarily harsh read on the situation.
I did say "if", because as you said, we don't know the actual context yet. I'm still confident that we're being mislead and there won't actually be a capture at all. If there is a capture, I must say I doubt they'll be able to pull it off without it feeling contrived or self-serving. Ash has saved countless Legendaries from much greater threats, and never needed to capture them to do so.
Regardless of if he did or didn’t, the clickbait in Journeys is getting tiresome. They’re making too much of a habit of it for things like this.
Well, they must be doing something right if they managed to make us blow through 10 pages of this thread in a day, for an episode that most of us weren't even excited for in the first place.
 
Well, they must be doing something right if they managed to make us blow through 10 pages of this thread in a day, for an episode that most of us weren't even excited for in the first place.
It’s still an annoying kind of mentality going off of ‘any publicity is good publicity’. It reminds me of a statement that was made by someone at Marvel comics a few years ago that it’s better for fans to be angry than apathetic. It just feels to e deaf to the issue that there’s only so many times you can rely on such tactics before the fandom ends up reaching apathy by coming to realize that they’re just gonna keep relying on such tactics as a substitute for actual good storytelling.
 
Why does every poacher squad have poison-types? Why do they never have dark-types, or electric?
 
Wondering what would happen if the roles were reversed, and by that I mean how Goh would react if Ash caught a legendary/mythical.
Would be interesting to see if Goh would be jealous of Ash secretly, or if he’s delighted for him.
 
I know this post will probably be ignored but whatever...


Anyways since people were too distracted by Gou and Suicune I ended up noticing something in the Preview that caught my Attention :unsure:

Remember when we saw Sobble and Pikachu training in Forest in the Trailer?

I had initially thought that might take place during the Inteleon Episode.

However take a Good look at what happens in the beginning of The Suicune Episode Preview!

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We see both Pikachu and Sobble outside of their Pokeballs in what appears to be a FOREST!

That little "Training Scene" might take place here!

Yeah I know we see Sobble running away from Pikachu in that Trailer.
Which obviously means that scene isn't gonna last for very long. (And I wouldn't be surprised if the scene took place at the very beginning of this episode)

But just seeing Sobble even Attempting to Train in this episode does give a bit of a nice precedence/foreshadowing to the next episode that comes right after it
 
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Well...
I did saw some people over at Serebii (and Twitter) saying they'd enjoy Goh keeping Suicine (or any other legendary for that matter) because that'd make the western fanbase angry and they 'enjoy watching the salt' or 'watching the fanbase's blood vessels pop up' and how everyone criticizing Goh for keeping legendaries is just 'a salty hater having a meltdown'.
They seem to be in a minority, but still.

While that might be the case for some fans, I think it's really rude and disingenuous to assume that everyone who likes Goh and/or isn't upset over this development are just fanboys who enjoy watching other people being salty. This kind of us vs. them attitude has always been a big problem of the Goh backlash here and it has always bothered me. People can have different opinions without wanting to be rude to people who they disagree with at the same time. Some people just genuinely like Goh, don't have a major problem with him catching Suicune and I don't think that should be disregarded as just being fanboys wanting to see the fanbase burn.
 
Some people just genuinely like Goh, don't have a major problem with him catching Suicune and I don't think that should be disregarded as just being fanboys wanting to see the fanbase burn.
This is exactly the case with me. I do enjoy seeing Goh in the show. Mainly because he is a happy boy who just fits in most of the time and goes for what he makes him happy. His goal is not perfect, but it doesn't necessarily bother me as much as it does most people in the fandom. I'd agree that it could have been handled better, but I am not in need of change of pace either. Him catching a Suicune (and even keeping it later) is not necessarily a big red flag either. To me, what matters would be how the writers execute its presence under Goh in the end.
 
Let's see. Brendan (A frontier brain who is considered one of the strongest trainers in the anime/games)
Tobias. Who is obviously an adult, therefore has had years of experience and likely has swept through every league
Goh. Can barely battle. Only cares about catching mew. Has only been traveling for a couple of months...

which one is the odd one out...
That didn't answer my question at all, but okay.
 
Why does every poacher squad have poison-types? Why do they never have dark-types, or electric?
I think it's because Dark is generally reserved for the major villains. It's kinda weird, actually, almost as if the series is implying that Poison=minor independent threats and/or low-level mooks while Dark=major villains. It's actually been something of a tradition since the franchise began: Poison was the go-to type for antagonists before Dark came around and essentially took its place; just look at Team Rocket (though I do like that there's an underlying level of brilliance here: Giovanni, the leader of Team Rocket, is a Ground-type specialist, so his underlings using mainly Poison-types essentially ensures that he can't be usurped that easily since his Pokemon have an overwhelming type advantage over his minions')

As for Electric... yeah, this one honestly should be what the poachers are using, along with maybe a few Grass-types too. That would help justify a bit better why they managed to subdue, injure, and capture Suicune: having a large advantage both in number and type matchups would likely overwhelm even a Legendary. That's actually why I actually liked that hunter from the beginning of the Celebi movie used a Scyther and a Houndoom (if nothing else, this is a hunter with excellent taste in Pokemon, gotta hand him that) to try and capture it, and similarly why I liked Butch and Cassidy using a Tentacruel and Cloyster to try and capture a Moltres in that one Chronicles special (...okay, maybe not Cloyster because the part Ice-type causes it to lose the resistance to Fire, but at least it's still useful offensively); basically, if you're going up against a Legendary/Mythical, you want to use every advantage you can possibly get, and I personally really, really like it when villains use Pokemon with the explicit type advantage over their target because if nothing else, it at least shows some level of cleverness and planning. So yeah, I agree that they should have used Electric and Grass Pokemon here. They'd almost certainly almost exclusively use the more stereotypically "mean" looking Electrics and Grasses like the Electabuzz line and Shiftry, but whatever. It'd at least be a step up from using stereotypically "mean" Pokemon that don't even have a clear advantage or worse, are outright weak to the target (looking at you and your Ariados, Oakley).

Wondering what would happen if the roles were reversed, and by that I mean how Goh would react if Ash caught a legendary/mythical.
Would be interesting to see if Goh would be jealous of Ash secretly, or if he’s delighted for him.
To be honest, I don't think Ash catching it would be nearly as controversial. Not only is Ash a much less polarizing character than Goh, but he's been around for far longer and his achievements and exploits are far more numerous than Goh's as a result, so people would if nothing else be likely a lot more lenient with Ash catching a Legendary. He did own both a Mythical and a UB last series, which count as Legendary depending on the person you talk to, and most of the complaints towards those were directed more at how the Pokemon themselves were handled (especially Poipole/Naganadel) rather than the fact that Ash caught them.

As for Goh's reaction, I think that would depend entirely on what the writers wanted to do: I could see Goh getting jealous if the writers wanted to do an arc to help develop Goh's character and teach him that no, not every special Pokemon is going to be caught by him just because he wants it. But on the other hand, if the writers instead wanted to highlight how strong the friendship between Ash and Goh is and how much they see each other as equals, they'd have Goh be happy for Ash.
 
I'm indifferent towards Gou capturing Suicune. We all know he's gonna release the darn thing anyways

What I DO dislike is how people are calling those who don't want Goh to capture Suicune "Hypocrites" because we capture Legendary Pokémon in the Games.

Games =/= Anime

Just because someone likes catching Legendary Pokémon in the games does not mean that they'd like to see it happening in the Anime.

But then you also have people who say that Goh catching Suicune in a regular pokeball wouldn't make sense because of in game catch rates which haven't been supported by the anime.


I personally like Goh's character, I think that his personality has been developed well, even if his battling capability has been mishandled by the fact that the show avoids giving him any battles. The fact that he catches weak pokemon easily doesn't really bother me, and most strong ones besides a couple like Darmanitan were battled first. His pokemon not getting screentime is also not an issue isolated to him, as Ash's pokemon also disappear for dozens of episodes, and I would even say that we have more interaction between some of Goh's pokemon than we do with Ash's. We could use more lab episodes that focus on the pokemon though.


I would be ok with Suicune being caught, or legendaries appearing in the main cast, because even without legendaries and mythicals appearing more frequently in recent series, they together make up 9% of all pokemon species. With the amount released in each game, and how easily they are given to players, they have already lost some of the grandeur that they had earlier in the franchise, so it makes sense that the anime would try to mirror the state of the franchise as a whole. I don't think saying the anime wouldn't do "x" 10 or 20 years ago makes sense, because of course things are going to change.
 
I think people are confusing “bad writing”with ‘something they don’t want to happen’ but rest assured, this is such an obvious misdirect like Pikachu evolving... Don’t ask me how, but they’re pulling the wool over our eyes.
 
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I think people are confusing “bad writing”with ‘something they don’t want to happen’ but rest assured, this is such an obvious misdirect like Pikachu evolving... Don’t ask me how, but they’re pulling the wool over our eyes.
Well... It could both poorly written and something we don't want to happen.
 
Maybe Goh really is a protagonist in a gaming sense. I know he’s supposed to reflect the Let’s Go character, but at this point...Natural ability to battle, catch, Dynamax, train Pokemon such as Magikarp to leap to the moon, now catch legendaries...he’s truly become the character we play.
 
Maybe Goh really is a protagonist in a gaming sense. I know he’s supposed to reflect the Let’s Go character, but at this point...Natural ability to battle, catch, Dynamax, train Pokemon such as Magikarp to leap to the moon, now catch legendaries...he’s truly become the character we play.

Are we really going to count training Magikarp to leap to the moon here? That entire episode was nothing but complete nonsense from beginning to end. I think it's the only episode of any Pokemon series where I honestly asked myself what the heck I was watching. We really aren't supposed to take that episode seriously, so I don't think it's fair to use that episode to make Goh look like a better trainer. Or at least it doesn't make sense to me given the ridiculous tone of the episode.

Goh definitely doesn't have a natural ability to battle either. He's improved over time, but he certainly wasn't gifted at battle from the start. Goh isn't the first main character to catch a Legendary Pokemon. I think too many people are overlooking that Suicune was clearly injured, thus making it easier for Goh to catch it than if they had another Raid Battle.
 
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