From what I’ve heard, the subs actually make that more clear. Apparently she was acting that way on purpose because she wanted her to stop and smell the roses and to have fun as opposed to just rushing things along. If so, Dawn could make for a good influence on Koharu to further bring her out of her shell.
It seems that the subbed episode I watched left the part of it being an act out.
I'm not sure. I wouldn't say her personalities in BW and Journeys were farcrys from the tail-end of DP, but they certainly feel different.
So we just gonna ignore the fact that Dawn just implies that Contests have now spread to Unova as well?
I think there is a misunderstanding about what their disagreement was about. Koharu wants to hurry so they can arrive at Pokémon Center before night and sleep on actual beds instead of Hikari's tent. Camping and sleeping outdoors is a normal thing for Hikari, like most pokémon trainers, which is why she disagree with Koharu. There was no implication that they could be late for the contest.
I wouldn't agree here. The episode clearly was meant to be a build-up for the climax/showdown next week and I think the short hints of Darkrai and Cresselia they gave us were just perfect to keep up the suspense.
Sure, Dawn seems to have evolved, but why would that be suprising or a reason to call her out-of-character? (Didn't Iris or Misty evolve, too?) She's still that lively, rather dominant and sometimes self-opioneted girl she used to be in DP. Also, she said that she's already been to almost every contest venue in Sinnoh, so maybe there's no need to hurry for her anymore like there would have been back in the good old days of DP. Now that she's probably won a lot of contests already, she might have come to realize that it's also important to cherish the "small things" in life.
Agree to disagree. They should have called this episode "Hikari and Koharu! No Need to Worry!" or something along those lines then, because a Darkrai or Cresselia episode it was clearly not. It contained about as much set-up for these two as those BW episodes that spent a few minutes setting up arcs like the Forces of Nature arc (without those set-ups actually being the focus of the episode). While the marketing focused on Dawn, it was also clearly marketed as a Cresselia/Darkrai two-parter, with nearly identical titles focusing on these two for both episodes, so I don't think it's unfair if people came out disappointed out of this episode in that regard. In my opinion they could have easily combined the Dawn and Chloe stuff with more screentime for the Lunar Duo, or a more in-depth set-up.
I mean, the entire thing with Darkrai and Cresselia is literally the thing that brought most of the pieces into place. TR being after Cresselia is what caused all these events to happen. Darkrai left New Moon Island which influenced Ash and Go’s portion of the episode which in turn put them on a collision course with Dawn and Koharu. In addition, it influenced the Rhydon attacking since it had been affected by Darkrai’s nightmares which led to them finding Cresselia. The episode mostly focused on Dawn and Koharu’s dynamic together but to say that this shouldn’t be considered as an episode pertaining to the lunar duo is outright false. One doesn’t have to be in the forefront to be of major influence to the plot.
I disagree. I felt that everything that had to do with Darkrai/Cresselia was extremely and unnecessarily secondary to the Dawn and Chloe stuff. Nice that it brought all the pieces together, but it's a fact that both Cresselia and Darkrai were barely in this episode at all physically, and I will stand by my point that it's not unfair to be disappointed by that when they marketed it as a Cresselia/Darkrai two-parter.
Problem is that it seems that those who are complaining of Darkrai and Cresselia’s physical appearance in this are thinking about it in the most shallow of manner when it comes to writing. As I said before, someone doesn’t have to constantly be on screen for the influence of their presence to be felt in the story. To basically complain about them not basically having the spotlight shining on them is to completely miss the entire point of the setup of the episode. Journeys has a lot of problems, and I’m one who isn’t shy about pointing them out but the lunar duo’s presence in this is not one of them in this case. If anything, this served as a great setup for part 2 by laying down the groundwork of the story that will allow for the next episode to be the action portion of it without everything being crammed into a single episode like Journeys normally does.
I watched a trailer showcasing Darkrai and Cresselia featuring Dawn, I watched two titles being announced that complimented each other and clearly showcased Cresselia and Darkrai, but what I got is a Chloe and Dawn episode with a tiny, tiny bit of Cresselia and Darkrai sprinkled in, leaving the entire plot to unfold itself in a single episode, an episode that also has Dawn and Ash reuniting and possibly Dawn competing in a Contest (it would be really odd if they didn't follow up on that imo) resting on its shoulders. Not to mention we've already seen a Cresselia and Darkrai one-shot episode before. It's nice and all, but then they should have just stuck to a Chloe and Dawn one-shot episode and marketed it as such or included more set-up in combination with those two. I don't think those are unreasonable complaints.
It does come across very much so as shallow thinking when all that you are looking at when it comes down to the product is what is happening on a surface level as opposed to how the moving parts shown at work affect one another. And it’s even more so when you talk about the trailer when the trailer that we got was covering the entire thing as opposed to a singular episode. As with any product, the trailer tends to showcase some of the best parts of what they are a preview of but that by no means means that that is all that there will be to said product.
Yes.... but the trailer specifically for the two-parter showcased a lot of Darkrai and Cresselia. Again, I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone to expect a... you know... proper Cresselia and Darkrai two-parter and not just a character interaction episode and a (possibly) DP104 redux.
I'm not going to argue about this any further, especially since I think you come across quite condescending with the whole shallow thinking remark over a mere disagreement (it's one of the reasons I don't post here quite as often anymore). You're coming across as if there's one single way this episode could have been written (if anything, such a mindset is quite shallow in itself) and I heavily disagree with that suggestion. I refuse to argue in circles about it any further.
It also showcased a lot of Dawn and Chloe.
And as you said, it’s a two-parter. And it’s not like it’s a two-parter for a plot point that has been ongoing like the Team Magma/Aqua storyline or the Team Galactic storyline where they have the liberty of jumping right into the action. As such, part one has to serve the purpose of the setup, which this did. In addition, it has to serve as Dawn’s reintroduction, something that had they just thrown us into the meat of things, would have been rushed, something that people have complained about when it comes to Journeys showcasing past companions. So yea, I don’t think it’s unreasonable that this episode laid down the groundwork of the conflict of this two-parter while also giving Dawn’s reintroduction time to breath so we can get the meat of things in part 2.
What more do you want of me? You're just recycling the same arguments (and so would I if I chose to reply). I disagree and I thoroughly explained why. At this point we're just going to argue in circles. What's the point?
You made your closing statement, I made mine. You’re free to simply not respond since to you it’s a circle as you made plainly clear.
