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Preview JN113: The Last Mission! Catch Regieleki and Regidorago!!

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Honestly I really wanted a Ralts to be Riolu's Hinata for his Naruto. That would have been adorable...
 

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Maybe he can Gigantamax Cinderace against Regigias.
Not likely unless they want to create a plot hole. For Ash’s Gengar to G-Max it needed to eat the Max Soup. Cinderace didn’t eat it and this should only be able to Dynamax regularly. Pikachu only worked as the exception due to it acting as the advertisement for basically all Pikachu who won’t evolve.
 

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Not likely unless they want to create a plot hole. For Ash’s Gengar to G-Max it needed to eat the Max Soup. Cinderace didn’t eat it and this should only be able to Dynamax regularly. Pikachu only worked as the exception due to it acting as the advertisement for basically all Pikachu who won’t evolve.
Cinderace could have a Gigantamax Factor without Goh knowing. We haven't seen it Dynamaxing since it evolved for the second time.
 

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I'm certainly more excited for this episode, I was doubtful about Gary having a Hatterene but the leaker has a reliable history.

Gigantamax Blastoise or Cinderace, unless Gary pulls out a Dynamax band, I'm guessing Cinderace
 

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In that case; Kyodaimax Aceburn will appear out of the blue, without any trace of foreshadowing it possessing the Factor.

That adds up to the many times when chance has favoured Gou in a contrived way.
Since it is more probable that he would use the Band as a desperate measure.

That's Journeys' modus operandi
 

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In that case; Kyodaimax Aceburn will appear out of the blue, without any trace of foreshadowing it possessing the Factor.

That adds up to the many times when chance has favoured Gou in a contrived way.
Since it is more probable that he would use the Band as a desperate measure.

That's Journeys' modus operandi
Seems quite common that Pokemon have the Gigantamax factor, Pikachu
 

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Seems quite common that Pokemon have the Gigantamax factor, Pikachu
I agree, but that was also an Asspull.
One that made Pikachu's resolution to not evolve loss impact in hindsight.

Another thing that upsets me is that the Mission comes all of a sudden, like Project Filler is not allowing candidates to prepare themselves and their teams.
If we could see Gou make preparations, then there may be an scenario to hint the Kyodaimax.
 

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Cinderace could have a Gigantamax Factor without Goh knowing. We haven't seen it Dynamaxing since it evolved for the second time.
Considering that the Galar starters aren’t Pokémon distributed with a G-Max factor, unlike almost all the other Pokémon capable of Gigantamax, I don’t see that happening especially when there isn’t an energy spot in the temple. On top of that, given that Ash had to actually give Gengar the Max Soup for him to G-Max, it would be yet another time that the writers just hand Go something on a silver platter without him having to put in any work for it which there is absolutely no excuse for this late in the game.
 

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Considering that the Galar starters aren’t Pokémon distributed with a G-Max factor, unlike almost all the other Pokémon capable of Gigantamax, I don’t see that happening especially when there isn’t an energy spot in the temple. On top of that, given that Ash had to actually give Gengar the Max Soup for him to G-Max, it would be yet another time that the writers just hand Go something on a silver platter without him having to put in any work for it which there is absolutely no excuse for this late in the game.
Yet way prior to that, Pikachu was conveniently shown with the Gigantamax factor naturally, without Ash having to work for it. And for that matter, Team Rocket's Meowth as well. If we're going to chastise Go for handouts, let's at least cover the ones other main characters haven't already received prior. Otherwise, it just feels like people are trying to find another reason to hate an already controversial character.
 

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Considering that the Galar starters aren’t Pokémon distributed with a G-Max factor, unlike almost all the other Pokémon capable of Gigantamax, I don’t see that happening especially when there isn’t an energy spot in the temple. On top of that, given that Ash had to actually give Gengar the Max Soup for him to G-Max, it would be yet another time that the writers just hand Go something on a silver platter without him having to put in any work for it which there is absolutely no excuse for this late in the game.
Starter Pokemon also can't be caught in the wild, so obviously the anime isn't using game distribution as a guideline for what kinds of Pokemon can be encountered. The anime has already demonstrated how common the Gmax factor is in this universe based on how many wild Pokemon were shown to possess it.

From a writing perspective, it doesn't make sense not to show off the new forms if Pokemon are Dynamaxing anyway. The only reason Gengar didn't have it by default is so they could squeeze an episode out of the Max Soup feature. I'm thankful we don't have to sit through a redundant Max Mushroom collecting episode for Cinderace.
 

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Starter Pokemon also can't be caught in the wild, so obviously the anime isn't using game distribution as a guideline for what kinds of Pokemon can be encountered. The anime has already demonstrated how common the Gmax factor is in this universe based on how many wild Pokemon were shown to possess it.

From a writing perspective, it doesn't make sense not to show off the new forms if Pokemon are Dynamaxing anyway. The only reason Gengar didn't have it by default is so they could squeeze an episode out of the Max Soup feature. I'm thankful we don't have to sit through a redundant Max Mushroom collecting episode for Cinderace.
Pretty much. Up until the Max Soup episode, I just assumed that every Pokemon that had a Gigantamax form would simply use that form in the anime instead of regular Dynamax. I thought they'd leave the "Gigantamax Factor" out and just make it so that some species Gigantamax and the rest just Dynamax.
 

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Yet way prior to that, Pikachu was conveniently shown with the Gigantamax factor naturally, without Ash having to work for it. And for that matter, Team Rocket's Meowth as well. If we're going to chastise Go for handouts, let's at least cover the ones other main characters haven't already received prior. Otherwise, it just feels like people are trying to find another reason to hate an already controversial character.
Considering that the G-Max Pikachu was originally gotten from having save data from Let’s Go Pikachu, and the Pikachu of that game is based on Ash’s, that’s a completely different thing. From Volt Tackle to 100,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt (also a move that was made based on Ash’s Pikachu), Pikachu has been used to show off different special things with its species. So something like that isn’t exactly out of left field for the writers given Pikachu’s status as mascot of the series, and to a lesser degree Meowth. Plus even within the games, neither actually require giving a Max Soup to get them in the first place. The same can’t be said for any of the Galar starters.
Starter Pokemon also can't be caught in the wild, so obviously the anime isn't using game distribution as a guideline for what kinds of Pokemon can be encountered. The anime has already demonstrated how common the Gmax factor is in this universe based on how many wild Pokemon were shown to possess it.

From a writing perspective, it doesn't make sense not to show off the new forms if Pokemon are Dynamaxing anyway. The only reason Gengar didn't have it by default is so they could squeeze an episode out of the Max Soup feature. I'm thankful we don't have to sit through a redundant Max Mushroom collecting episode for Cinderace.
And notice that with each of the wild Pokémon that demonstrated G-Max in the anime, they were Pokémon who in the games could naturally have a G-Max factor when caught in the wild. The anime may stray from the games when it comes to the ability to capture certain Pokémon, but it’s stayed true to how mechanics work in the game to the point that it introduced the concept of Max Soup in the series to show that not every Pokémon can just automatically G-Max.
 

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Otherwise, it just feels like people are trying to find another reason to hate an already controversial character.
The writers have a knack for making him look insufferable and easy to hate.

It has been their choices, and overpampering, that put Gou into that position to begin with.

I was just asking for one episode depicting the announcement of the Mission, and have Gou preparing for it.
There is no need to go through the whole Soup-making again; I am not against Aceburn having the Factor naturally if they hint it before.
With the Mission occurring in the following, to flesh it out a bit more; and make it look less than whenever PF calls, the candidate must rush to the site immediately.
 

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Considering that the G-Max Pikachu was originally gotten from having save data from Let’s Go Pikachu, and the Pikachu of that game is based on Ash’s, that’s a completely different thing. From Volt Tackle to 100,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt (also a move that was made based on Ash’s Pikachu), Pikachu has been used to show off different special things with its species. So something like that isn’t exactly out of left field for the writers given Pikachu’s status as mascot of the series, and to a lesser degree Meowth. Plus even within the games, neither actually require giving a Max Soup to get them in the first place. The same can’t be said for any of the Galar starters.
I don't see a warrantable difference considering that the anime as a whole is one giant advertisement for the Pokémon games. Any featured Gigantimax form is a promotion of a Generation VIII feature, to encourage children to have themselves/i.e. buy. Just as you're claiming that Ash's Pikachu has been used to show several Pikachu-related game features, some built up to and some inexplicably acquired (!), so to, can Go's Cinderace be used in the same vein to promote a Gigantimax Cinderace (which would be the most practical scenario anyway aside from featuring a random CoTD's Cinderace who can inexplicably do it).

Plus even within the games, neither actually require giving a Max Soup to get them in the first place. The same can’t be said for any of the Galar starters.
Both forms are primarily behind paywalls though as one is expected to have purchased the Let's Go game and the Island of Armor DLC respectively. Which may not be accessible to the respective player. Given this similarity, if the anime's translation of this expectation was Ash and TR getting the forms for free, it's hypocritical to scrutinize Go for the same (possible) thing.
 

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Considering that the G-Max Pikachu was originally gotten from having save data from Let’s Go Pikachu, and the Pikachu of that game is based on Ash’s, that’s a completely different thing. From Volt Tackle to 100,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt (also a move that was made based on Ash’s Pikachu), Pikachu has been used to show off different special things with its species. So something like that isn’t exactly out of left field for the writers given Pikachu’s status as mascot of the series, and to a lesser degree Meowth. Plus even within the games, neither actually require giving a Max Soup to get them in the first place. The same can’t be said for any of the Galar starters.

And notice that with each of the wild Pokémon that demonstrated G-Max in the anime, they were Pokémon who in the games could naturally have a G-Max factor when caught in the wild. The anime may stray from the games when it comes to the ability to capture certain Pokémon, but it’s stayed true to how mechanics work in the game to the point that it introduced the concept of Max Soup in the series to show that not every Pokémon can just automatically G-Max.
Honestly, this really does feel like a case of over-analyzing video game mechanics just to nitpick certain aspects of the anime. I'd understand if people are complaining about Gou effectively using Dynamax/Gigantamax despite his lack of practice with it, but complaining about Cinderace naturally having the G-Max factor just doesn't make much sense to me considering how ubiquitous G-Max forms have been in the anime. Ash's Gengar has been the sole exception to this.

I'd be more compelled to agree with your point of Gou's Cinderace needing Max Soup to Gigantamax if there's an actual lore/worldbuilding-related reason for the Galar starters to be naturally locked out of having G-Max factors, but... there just isn't. As far as I can think of, there's only two major reasons for the Galar starters needing Max Soup to Gigantamax in the games:
  1. Their G-Max forms are DLC content. When SwSh was first released, the Galar starters didn't have G-Max forms, so it wouldn't have made sense for the starters that you get from Leon to have G-Max factors. Their G-Max forms were eventually released but locked behind the DLC, which is why they still aren't available in the base game.
  2. The starters can't be caught in the wild. Aside from using the Max Soup, the main method of obtaining Pokemon with G-Max factors is to catch them in wild raids. As with most other mainline games, the Galar starters can't be caught in the wild, so catching one with a G-Max factor is impossible.
The first reason is a purely gameplay-based restriction, so it's completely irrelevant in the anime. The second reason is also irrelevant since the anime has always treated starter Pokemon as regular Pokemon that can be found naturally in the wild. So it's perfectly reasonable for wild Galar starters like Gou's Cinderace and Inteleon to potentially have G-Max factors since we've seen quite a few wild Pokemon in Galar that naturally had it as well.

With that said, I do think it'd be a missed opportunity if Gou's Cinderace already has the G-Max factor. With Ash's Gengar, we got an entire episode in Galar featuring one of its Gym Leaders as well as several other Galar Pokemon. Considering how this region has been starved for attention, the writers could've easily done the same with Gou's Cinderace by having Gou spend an entire episode in Galar trying to make Max Soup. Maybe he could've gotten help from Kabu, since he's the Fire-type specialist in the region. A Max Soup episode would also be a good opportunity for Gou and Cinderace to bond and train with each other so that G-Max Cinderace's debut would look much more rewarding.

TL;DR Do I think it'd be a poor writing choice if Cinderace already naturally has the G-Max factor? Yeah, maybe. Do I think it'd be a plot hole? Absolutely not.
 

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Yeah.
So there is a chance that Cinderace gigantamaxes as well as Gary's Blastoise!
Doubtful considering the temple doesn’t have a power spot to allow Dynamax in the first place. Even the anime has stuck to at least that rule that, even within Galar, that a Pokémon can’t just Dynamax anywhere.
 

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Doubtful considering the temple doesn’t have a power spot to allow Dynamax in the first place. Even the anime has stuck to at least that rule that, even within Galar, that a Pokémon can’t just Dynamax anywhere.
True. But simultaneously, they also made the Stow-on-Side mural a Power Spot to allow Goh use Dynamax there. Or it could be that the Dynamax happens outside the temple.
 

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True. But simultaneously, they also made the Stow-on-Side mural a Power Spot to allow Goh use Dynamax there. Or it could be that the Dynamax happens outside the temple.
And that was also occurring during the Darkest Day where power spots were going wild. I genuinely feel people are just setting themselves up for disappointment with something that isn’t even so much as implied to happen.
 
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