Preview JN118: Satoshi Goes into Battle! VS Daigo!!

[Rath]

Spoiler

 

[BigDocFan]

I'm glad that they are given a whole episode to a 3 vs 3 battle, apart from the Alain vs Leon

 

[cricketlaxwolvesbandy]

Power scaling wise, the only Pokémon that makes sense to defeat Metagross is Pikachu.
I know Ash has gotten stronger but it makes no sense to have Ash beat Cynthia and Leon when he can’t even beat Alain. Power scaling wise his whole team should get one shot by Charizard except for Pikachu but Pikachu still gets beat

 

[FinnishPokéFan92]

Power scaling wise, the only Pokémon that makes sense to defeat Metagross is Pikachu.
I know Ash has gotten stronger but it makes no sense to have Ash beat Cynthia and Leon when he can’t even beat Alain. Power scaling wise his whole team should get one shot by Charizard except for Pikachu but Pikachu still gets beat

Ash has grown a lot stronger since the Kalos League.

 

[Handy Man]

I’m expecting Sawyer to make a cameo here, since he admires both Steven and Ash. Maybe Wallace as well, since Ash mentioned Steven in JN105.

 

[cricketlaxwolvesbandy]

Ash has grown a lot stronger since the Kalos League.

Yes but his current team sans Pikachu shouldn’t be able to beat Leon. It doesn’t feel right.

 

[Unireon]

Yes but his current team sans Pikachu shouldn’t be able to beat Leon. It doesn’t feel right.

Agreed. The lack of development has started to show how wrong that choice was.

Unless Pikachu manages to defeat all three of Daigo's Pokemon, still contrived.
Satoshi is doomed from the get go, him losing is actually the most believable outcome.

That is why I advocated the use of Past Aces, besides not having any reason to root for/care about the current team.

 

[FinnishPokéFan92]

That is why I advocated the use of Past Aces, besides not having any reason to root for/care about the current team.

Ash doesn't have to rely on his past aces to prove that he's strong, IMO.

 

[Rath]

Yes but his current team sans Pikachu shouldn’t be able to beat Leon. It doesn’t feel right.

Ash's victories usually aren't through raw power, but through clever tactics. As Tomioka said, the whole point of Ash as a protagonist is that he transcends game logic.

Agreed. The lack of development has started to show how wrong that choice was.

Unless Pikachu manages to defeat all three of Daigo's Pokemon, still contrived.
Satoshi is doomed from the get go, him losing is actually the most believable outcome.

That is why I advocated the use of Past Aces, besides not having any reason to root for/care about the current team.

Even if Ash did use his older Pokemon, the Journeys team was still going to be the one to face Leon, because this is their story.

 

[Unireon]

Ash doesn't have to rely on his past aces to prove that he's strong, IMO.

Satoshi, and Pikachu, are strong; the rest are not.

Ash's victories usually aren't through raw power, but through clever tactics.

Journeys Satoshi hasn't shown its tactical prowess during the whole series.
He now relies on thoughtless offensive and/or tanking everything and getting a lucky shot.

Even if Ash did use his older Pokemon, the Journeys team was still going to be the one to face Leon, because this is their story.

An story that I am not attached to at all, it is hard to care about them when they have been so poorly handled.
What is the point of their existence, being just battle automatons or bland/flat almost characters?

And I don't think Satoshi is going to reach Dande, at least in a meaningful/plausible way.
If he wins against Daigo or Shirona, it is going to be due to Plot-Armor and/or Deus-ex-Machina.

 

[Rath]

Satoshi, and Pikachu, are strong; the rest are not.


Journeys Satoshi hasn't shown its tactical prowess during the whole series.
He now relies on thoughtless offensive and/or tanking everything and getting a lucky shot.


An story that I am not attached to at all, it is hard to care about them when they have been so poorly handled.
What is the point of their existence, being just battle automatons or bland/flat almost characters?

And I don't think Satoshi is going to reach Dande, at least in a meaningful/plausible way.
If he wins against Daigo or Shirona, it is going to be due to Plot-Armor and/or Deus-ex-Machina.

Ash reaching Leon is the whole point of the series. Battling Leon isn't just his goal, Leon is also looking forward to battling him. Leon is the closest thing Ash has to a "rival" this series.

 

[Reborn Talonflame]

My other issue with the Steven v Ash match-up is that it’s seemingly going to come down to Pikachu v Metagross.
Whilst it is indeed a Mega Metagross, let alone a Champion’s, this would be the third time Pikachu has defeated one, previously besting Tyson’s and Alain’s. This just seems extremely repetitive to have Pikachu knock out yet another.

I mean, add a tie with Anabele’s, beating Paul’s, and a random trainer’s in the Hearthome City Tag Contest with Chimchar, to the previously mentioned trainers above, that is a very long list of battles against a Metagross.
Yet, again, this is Steven’s Mega Metagross, but it really doesn’t excite me.

 

[Rath]

My other issue with the Steven v Ash match-up is that it’s seemingly going to come down to Pikachu v Metagross.
Whilst it is indeed a Mega Metagross, let alone a Champion’s, this would be the third time Pikachu has defeated one, previously besting Tyson’s and Alain’s. This just seems extremely repetitive to have Pikachu knock out yet another.

I mean, add a tie with Anabele’s, beating Paul’s, and a random trainer’s in the Hearthome City Tag Contest with Chimchar, to the previously mentioned trainers above, that is a very long list of battles against a Metagross.
Yet, again, this is Steven’s Mega Metagross, but it really doesn’t excite me.

Even if Pikachu lands the finishing blow, Gengar is probably going to make an impact with its newly learned Will-O-Wisp and Gigantamax form

 

[Reborn Talonflame]

Even if Pikachu lands the finishing blow, Gengar is probably going to make an impact with its newly learned Will-O-Wisp and Gigantamax form

And even then, we literally just watched a replica of that happen against Paul the other week, only difference being the idea that there’s Mega Evolution and Gigantamax this time around. It doesn’t feel that special of an occasion when both ways, Pikachu or Gengar KO, have similar backgrounds.

 

[BigDocFan]

Will be interesting to see how Gengar fares against Metagross after its battle with Paul

 

[puddleths]

Will be interesting to see how Gengar fares against Metagross after its battle with Paul

Will-O-Wisp misses. OHKO'd by Zen Headbutt.

 

[Alola]

My other issue with the Steven v Ash match-up is that it’s seemingly going to come down to Pikachu v Metagross.
Whilst it is indeed a Mega Metagross, let alone a Champion’s, this would be the third time Pikachu has defeated one, previously besting Tyson’s and Alain’s. This just seems extremely repetitive to have Pikachu knock out yet another.

I mean, add a tie with Anabele’s, beating Paul’s, and a random trainer’s in the Hearthome City Tag Contest with Chimchar, to the previously mentioned trainers above, that is a very long list of battles against a Metagross.
Yet, again, this is Steven’s Mega Metagross, but it really doesn’t excite me.

When you brought this all up, it made me realize that for a pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is fairly unique among its 600 BST peers, Metagross has had very lackluster showings in the anime... Even now, Steven's will ultimately wind up beaten, adding to the list of KOes.

 

[Sai]

An story that I am not attached to at all, it is hard to care about them when they have been so poorly handled.
What is the point of their existence, being just battle automatons or bland/flat almost characters?

And I don't think Satoshi is going to reach Dande, at least in a meaningful/plausible way.
If he wins against Daigo or Shirona, it is going to be due to Plot-Armor and/or Deus-ex-Machina.

We literally just had Gengar training to beat a Metagross 2 episodes ago.

 

[Ghost Diplocaulus]

When you brought this all up, it made me realize that for a pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is fairly unique among its 600 BST peers, Metagross has had very lackluster showings in the anime... Even now, Steven's will ultimately wind up beaten, adding to the list of KOes.

That's what it gets for not being a Dragon-type or a dragonlike creature

Joking aside, it is interesting to say the least how we've actually seen Metagross being defeated in battle more times than Salamence despite the fact that the former is the Champion's ace and the latter is "only" an Elite Four's ace. I mean, one would think it'd be the other way around...

 

[isrrael120]

I don't really have a favorable result here!
There is not much to say!