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Keldeo to be revealed in upcoming CoroCoro: 'Nobunaga' scans also leaked

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I say Kyurem will be revelaed next month They used this month to reveal Keledo to the world (which is part of the reason I think Gen V will have R/S remakes to spread out the Gen) As Event legends are almost always revelead with a movie and they all get their own movie (MSB for Mew, VotF for Celibi, JWM for Jirachi, DD for Deoxys, PR:TotS for Manaphy, tRoD for Darkrai, GatSW fo rShaymin, AJoL for Arceus and the Victini movie and the Muskateer movie... Meloetta and Genesect will have their own movies)
 
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So Kyurem's new forme and Gray might not be announced until April.

What am I going to do for the next two months... :uhoh:

Enter the upcoming '2012 International Challenge'?

:idea: Does anyone agree with me that the '2012 International Challenge' is just a way to keep people 'entertained' while they wait to reveal Grey and Kyurem's alternate form?

But I don't do competitive battling. u_u
 

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I cannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnot wait for the R/S remakes, they better be better than expected, honestly. Also how do you think they will incorporate black/white in to Gray? Both games are shockingly very similar with the exception of white forest/black city and if you're a boy or not. You get a few version exclusive Pokemon but that's it :/
 

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So Kyurem's new forme and Gray might not be announced until April.

What am I going to do for the next two months... :uhoh:

Enter the upcoming '2012 International Challenge'?

:idea: Does anyone agree with me that the '2012 International Challenge' is just a way to keep people 'entertained' while they wait to reveal Grey and Kyurem's alternate form?

But I don't do competitive battling. u_u

Oh..... Hmmmmm....... Well, that's all I had. Sorry.
 

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Meloetta and Genesect will have their own movies)
Oh please; the first three generations aren't even applicable here because the number of movies per generation exceeded that of the event Pokémon. All you have to go on is the last generation, and you haven't even suggested how Movie 16 would work with just Meloetta.
 

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Meloetta and Genesect will have their own movies)
Oh please; the first three generations aren't even applicable here because the number of movies per a generation exceeded that of the event Pokémon. All you have to go on is the last generation, and you haven't even suggested how Movie 16 would work with just Meloetta.

And you ignore that every single Event Legend has had a movie every single one it's beyond a pattern when all of them have one. Do you really think they are going to break tradition and not give them their own movie's? Meloetta and share a movie with the Djinn's simple
 

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And you ignore that every single Event Legend has had a movie every single one it's beyond a pattern when all of them have one.
There is no reason why two event Pokémon can't share a movie when there are two distributions and when one of the two can even be made available via Wi-Fi beforehand. Why has it not happened yet? Again, the first three generations just don't apply here, and the DP trilogy was designed to keep Arceus for the end. This generation has already broken a number of patterns, including but not limited to distributing Victini well before its movie and creating two versions of Movie 14. For all we know Movie 16 could also have two version featuring Meloetta and Genesect, but that is not necessary for my suggestion to work.

Do you really think they are going to break tradition and not give them their own movie's? Meloetta and share a movie with the Djinn's simple
Oh really? Is that why all three of the Kami trio were recently featured in a two-parter that was even followed by a Wi-Fi event? Is that part of your little tradition? There is nothing left to do with the Kami trio as far as the anime is concerned. And how does keeping Genesect a secret until 2004 adhere to any pattern? We've never had to wait that long.
 

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Let's keep in mind that all speculation at this point is just that: speculation. As much as you may think your own hypothesis is watertight and someone else's is stupid, let's be civil and bear in mind what a small amount of evidence we currently have to go on.

In my opinion, it would be odd if Meloetta and Genesect didn't get their own movies; event Pokemon have always been used as marketing tools in this way, and it's one of the few very consistent things about how the marketing has operated. Keeping Genesect under wraps for such a long time might be unprecedented, but it also might be part of a long-term plan if GF don't foresee releasing the first game of Gen VI anytime soon. The more event Pokemon you have, the longer you can keep interest in the franchise up until you have to come up with something new.

That said, if we assume that a third version connected to Black and White will be with us before any remakes, it will give us the same slightly unsatisfying situation we had in Gen IV: the final event Pokemon, closely tied into the story and mythology of that generation's new region, is made available at a time when everyone is now playing games set in a different region. Arceus had as little to do with Johto as Genesect will have to do with Hoenn (assuming, as is the fashion, that we will get Gen III remakes at some point in this generation).
 

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Articwolf10 said:
And you ignore that every single Event Legend has had a movie every single one it's beyond a pattern when all of them have one.
There is no reason why two event Pokémon can't share a movie when there are two distributions and when one of the two can even be made available via Wi-Fi beforehand. Why has it not happened yet? Again, the first three generations just don't apply here, and the DP trilogy was designed to keep Arceus for the end. This generation has already broken a number of patterns, including but not limited to distributing Victini well before its movie and creating two versions of Movie 14. For all we know Movie 16 could also have two version featuring Meloetta and Genesect, but that is not necessary for my suggestion to work.

But no two Event Pokemon have ever shared a movie I just don't see them sharing a movie I just don't and honestly Victini didn't break any patterns besides being revelaed before his movie he still got a movie so the pattern still stands...



Oh really? Is that why all three of the Kami trio were recently featured in a two-parter that was even followed by a Wi-Fi event? Is that part of your little tradition? There is nothing left to do with the Kami trio as far as the anime is concerned. And how does keeping Genesect a secret until 2004 adhere to any pattern? We've never had to wait that long.
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The Regi and Bird Trio got focus in both movies and Anime... They could play a minor role and Melotta can share a movie with Gen VI mascot mon (ala Lucario and Zoroark)
 

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In my opinion, it would be odd if Meloetta and Genesect didn't get their own movies; event Pokemon have always been used as marketing tools in this way, and it's one of the few very consistent things about how the marketing has operated.
It wouldn't be very different from the treatment of Kyurem and Keldeo in this movie. Kyurem might not be an event Pokémon, but most of us expect to see its Forme be handled almost as if it were one; it is going to be a bigger deal than Keldeo is for obvious reasons, and it won't be unlockable until September.

Keeping Genesect under wraps for such a long time might be unprecedented, but it also might be part of a long-term plan if GF don't foresee releasing the first game of Gen VI anytime soon. The more event Pokemon you have, the longer you can keep interest in the franchise up until you have to come up with something new.
But all the fans who expect this generation to last four years assume that remakes will be released in 2013. If that is the case, why not be done with the Unova legendaries beforehand and leave Jirachi and/or Deoxys for 2014?

Arceus had as little to do with Johto as Genesect will have to do with Hoenn (assuming, as is the fashion, that we will get Gen III remakes at some point in this generation).
At least Arceus was connected to the Unown and the Ruins of Alph. I have a hard time seeing that happen with Genesect in Hoenn.

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The Regi and Bird Trio got focus in both movies and Anime... They could play a minor role and Melotta can share a movie with Gen VI mascot mon (ala Lucario and Zoroark)
Those trios made their debuts in the movies. And how would it make sense to reveal a brand new Pokémon before Genesect?
 

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Those trios made their debuts in those movies. And how would it make sense to reveal a brand new Pokémon before Genesect?

Well Maybe she can share a movie with Deoxys and Jirachi which you brought up for some reason why would they apply? they already got their movies? and Maybe Genesect can share the spotlight with the Mascot mon of Gen VI...
 

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Well Maybe she can share a movie with Deoxys and Jirachi which you brought up for some reason why would they apply?
That would just be replacing one event Pokémon with another... Granted, Jirachi/Deoxys wouldn't be new, but Mew and Celebi still got their own movies (in terms of being the only event Pokémon) even the second time around. Double standard much? Not to mention that distributing those Pokémon before the release of remakes would be odd.
 

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That would just be replacing one event Pokémon with another... Granted, Jirachi/Deoxys wouldn't be new, but Mew and Celebi still got their own movies (in terms of being the only event Pokémon) even the second time around. Double standard much? Not to mention that distributing those Pokémon before the release of remakes would be odd.
You were the one who brought up Jirachi and Deoxys for absolutly no fucking reason! Mew starred with Lucario in one movie remeber? So he got a shared movie and R/S 3DS will probbily be released in 2013 next year and Gen VI be out in September 2014 the Genesect/Gen VI Mascot can be the last film of Gen VI (like the Zorroark movie was the movie before Gen V was released)
 

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You were the one who brought up Jirachi and Deoxys for absolutly no fucking reason!
Because I'm trying to understand your reasoning, even if it means giving you some help. So far I don't see much more than a pattern-based argument which ignores the differences from past generations.

Mew starred with Lucario in one movie remeber? So he got a shared movie
Lucario was not an event Pokémon. We're discussing whether or not a movie can accommodate more than one event.
 

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It wouldn't be very different from the treatment of Kyurem and Keldeo in this movie. Kyurem might not be an event Pokémon, but most of us expect to see its Forme be handled almost as if it were one; it is going to be a bigger deal than Keldeo is for obvious reasons, and it won't be unlockable until September.
What's (presumably) happening with this latest movie is more reminiscent of the Shaymin/Giratina deal. Premiering an event Pokemon and a new Forme in the same movie has been done before; premiering two event Pokemon has never been done. That's not to say it can't happen, but it would be unprecedented. An event Pokemon is a new and mysterious thing, while a new Forme is a variation on something familiar. Both are appealing for different reasons, and as such, having them revealed at the same time makes more marketing sense than revealing two event Pokemon at the same time, which is more a case of putting all your eggs in one basket.

But all the fans who expect this generation to last four years assume that remakes will be released in 2013. If that is the case, why not be done with the Unova legendaries beforehand and leave Jirachi and/or Deoxys for 2014?
Jirachi and Deoxys are known quantities at this point. A 2014 movie and promotion featuring Jirachi/Deoxys would be less of a big deal than one featuring Genesect, for the simple reason that people have already seen Jirachi and Deoxys in animated form, and may well already have those Pokemon from previous generations. They'll get their time in the spotlight, I don't doubt it, but it will probably be alongside one of the Gen V event legendaries or (as in the last two gens) alongside the Lucario or Zoroark of Gen VI.

Don't get me wrong; I think that two event legendaries sharing a movie is more likely in this generation than it's ever been. I'm just not yet convinced that Nintendo will pass up the opportunity to spread out what marketable content they have over as long as possible.
 

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I couldn't agree more with Game Freak actually making secret Pokémon a secret that's always bugged me that a Pokémon like Arceus which actually is gonna be released three years after Diamond and Pearl is know about just like that.
 

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What's (presumably) happening with this latest movie is more reminiscent of the Shaymin/Giratina deal. Premiering an event Pokemon and a new Forme in the same movie has been done before; premiering two event Pokemon has never been done. That's not to say it can't happen, but it would be unprecedented. An event Pokemon is a new and mysterious thing, while a new Forme is a variation on something familiar. Both are appealing for different reasons, and as such, having them revealed at the same time makes more marketing sense than revealing two event Pokemon at the same time, which is more a case of putting all your eggs in one basket.
Fair enough, but if Meloetta receives the Victini treatment in Gray (which shouldn't be too hard to believe), it won't be new or mysterious in 2013. In fact, I think Meloetta may be distributed exclusively to Gray at first without a fateful encounter flag to unlock Pirouette Forme, in which case the new thing she would have going for her in the movie would be her Forme - just like Kyurem (and Giratina).

I think it boils down to this: I agree with you that the event Pokémon should be used wisely, but as I see it Meloetta and Genesect sharing a movie (in any which way) would be a lot more beneficial than having V-Generate of all things be the only new thing about Movie 14.
 
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I strongly believe that both Meloetta and Genesect will be revealed next year call me crazy but there is a first time for everything and by 2014 I think that Movie 17 will revolve around The Hoenn Legends probably the Weather Trio and have one of the Event Legends Presumably Jirachi or Deoxys.
 

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Anyway I'm still happy to see that we at least have something this month.Oh I'm happy for the Artwork not the reveal that really isn't much of a reveal because we already knew about it but I still think it's cute.Also am I the only one that thinks its horn looks funny.
 
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Its about freakin time we get to see it non-sprited. Good thing its pose is different from the sprite. Makes it more unique :D
 
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