Kibago the next Togepi?-Looking Back

[Sweet Veil]

Trying again.

I remember back during the ep where Satoshi battled Aloe people said cause Kibago got into a lot of funny situations and stuff that it was the "new Togepi". So far....

Spoiler

1.Kibago has formed a relationship with Emonga giving her some Apples and leading to him and Iris bonding with her.
2.Will battle some Dragon in a upcoming episode.

3.Show that he wants to evolve.
4.Is trying to get control of Dragon Rage and get stronger.

Spoiler

5.Has a new training partner in Satoshi's Zuruggu.

 

[War]

Are you...are you seriously comparing Axew with Togepi? Dude...

 

[Sweet Veil]

Are you...are you seriously comparing Axew with Togepi? Dude...

No not at all. I'm against these theories Kibago is the next Togepi.

 

[Eitarou]

No, Axew can actually fight

 

[Hellion]

It's not the new Togepi, it's the new Goldeen...

 

[Sweet Veil]

It's not the new Togepi, it's the new Goldeen...

What?

How is Kibago like Tosakinto at all? He's a Dragon not a Water Type and a main Pokemon. Who can walk on land and bonded with Emonga. And has a deeper character. What the heck are you saying?

 

[Hellion]

Nah... I guess you're right... more like the next Poliwag.

Kinda bland, will fully evolve, is in a real battle once or twice a year with a so-so winning record, otherwise just uses its Water Gun/Dragon Sneeze on some random wild pokémon once in a blue moon.

Yeah... Next Poliwag

 

[Yankees4life]

not even close, and I still say we're gonna have to wait until we're deep into BW whether or not to judge Axew as "the new Togepi"

 

[Sweet Veil]

Nah... I guess you're right... more like the next Poliwag.

Kinda bland, will fully evolve, is in a real battle once or twice a year with a so-so winning record, otherwise just uses its Water Gun/Dragon Sneeze on some random wild pokémon once in a blue moon.

Yeah... Next Poliwag

Kibago isn't bland at all. The writers like keeping Pokemon in there "cute" forms because they sell better. Huh? Kibago has been in battles. How has Dragon Rage been used on a lot of wild Pokemon?

By the way Nyoromo battled and whooped ass a lot.

 

[Dr. Buni]

I don't think so. Kibago isn't dumb like Togepi was.

 

[Hellion]

not even close

Yeah, I guess you're right... Kibago hasn't done enough to be even close to be considered the next Poliwag...

Though.. that brings us back to it being the next Goldeen/Togepi... Maybe it's a lovechild of the two. Like.. take Togepi's "cuteness" and annoying factor, combine it with Goldeen's lack of battles and voilà! Kibago

 

[Sweet Veil]

Yeah, I guess you're right... Kibago hasn't done enough to be even close to be considered the next Poliwag...

Though.. that brings us back to it being the next Goldeen.

Could you be more serious?! I'm not trying to sound like a jerk! But you use every Kasumi or Iris thread as a means of trolling! Without adding anything important to the thread itself. It's getting really annoying.

 

[Hellion]

Could you be more serious?!

I could. Not sure you'd like it...

But fine, let's be serious... Let's quell the humour from our midst and be dull, since dullness is the mother of political correctness and kumbayaness.

Kibago has not yet been in a real battle, the two sparring matchs it's been in were play for laughs, much like Togepi's inclusion in the battle for Totodile. Both of them have a powerful attack that their respective trainers does nothing to hone the power of. Both of them have similar baby that likes to wander off and bond with wild pokémon personalities, like Kibago did with Emolga and like Togepi did with Sentret, Houndour and countless others.

As of now, no Kibago hasn't yet done anything that really screams that it's different than Togepi, if only that he's more a bit more battle ready than Togepi. Outside of that... they're pretty much exactly the same.

 

[Pokefannn]

I'd say no. Togepi was completely useless. It took forever for it to use a move and it was more for comic relief. It never really battled either. Axew actually seems like it is going to be useful. It wants to evolve into a powerful pokemon. Currently, it is a bit like Togepi. Give it some time though and it could become very powerful.

 

[Hellwarden]

One of the main reason people compare Axew to Togepi is because people like to compare their respective owners too. Simply put though, Togepi has one setting, and was stuck on stupid. In fact both Iris and Axew get unfairly lambasted for not going anywhere, but really, Iris has been seen training Axew a good three times. She and Axew are probably moving faster to their goal than Cilan is.

 

[Sweet Veil]

Kibago has not yet been in a real battle, the two sparring matchs it's been in were play for laughs, much like Togepi's inclusion in the battle for Totodile. Both of them have a powerful attack that their respective trainers does nothing to hone the power of. Both of them have similar baby that likes to wander off and bond with wild pokémon personalities, like Kibago did with Emolga and like Togepi did with Sentret, Houndour and countless others.

As of now, no Kibago hasn't yet done anything that really screams that it's different than Togepi, if only that he's more a bit more battle ready than Togepi. Outside of that... they're pretty much exactly the same.

Not really. One of those battles against Zuruggu may have been for jokes. But they were battles for Kibago and Zuruggu to get stronger all the same. Togepi being used for the Totodile battle was smart on Kasumi's part she knew since it has been said before that Pikachu was like a older brother to Togepi he'd never attack Togepi. It was funny but it wasn't purely for jokes.

Finger Waggle? What are you talking about that attack was R-a-n-d-o-m and yes Iris is trying to get Dragon Rage right. That's why she uses it and is giving Kibago the chance to control it better. Btw Kasumi tried to teach Togepi headbutt. Isn't that every Pokemon? Mijumaru wandered off too.

I don't know how you can even say Kibago and Togepi are the exact same. Kibago can take a licking and battle. Interacts more with different Pokemon and showed it has some Acrobatic abilities. And it can be reliable in a bad situation. And that he can get pissed where as Togepi was nicer.

 

[Ampharos King]

Togepi
- Hatched out of an egg that Ash found at an excavation site. Misty was the first one to stare at it so Togepi chose to go with her.
- Stayed in Misty's arms approximately 85% of its run.
- In earlier episodes and Pikachu specials, Togepi would often cause trouble because it is so young. There were a few episodes that Togepi primarily starred in, but those were episodes in which Togepi itself caused trouble (primarily due to its Metronome).
- Acted as comic relief in earlier episodes. (Ex: After Ash defeated Blaine, Blaine told them a funny pun/joke that didn't seem to make sense with the younger protagonists. While Ash and co. were stunned, Togepi innocently mimicked the syllables of Blaine's joke through Poke Talk).
- Togepi essentially acted as Pikachu's little sibling. Pikachu often had to look after Togepi, to save it from causing trouble. In turn, this will cause Pikachu to get into trouble himself. Togepi was primarily intended to act as comic relief and to "fluff" up some episodes.
- The only "battle" Togepi had in its run was when Misty sent it out to battle Pikachu for Totodile. Togepi used Charm and other non-offensive attacks to get Pikachu to not attack it. Pikachu never could attack Togepi (due to the caretaking relationship). Togepi acted in form of comic relief as its intended role had been.
- Togepi was the focus of a 2-parter episode in the middle of AG. However, it was more like the species as a whole was important, and Team Rocket simply decided to capture Misty's Togepi out of a personal basis. (There were no other wild Togepi "seen" at the time; all of the other Togepi were in the Mirage World). Togepi was captured by a COTD villain for a coronation ritual. Togepi evolved into a Togetic 15 minutes into the second parter, learned Safeguard, etc. Togetic then left with the rest of the Togepi to act as a caretaker.

Axew
- Axew was already a day old (a few days old in the dub) when the elder of Iris' village decided to give the young girl this pokemon to train and evolve into a Haxorus.
- Axew stayed in Iris' hair for his first 6 episodes, so he did not act immediately different from Togepi at the start of BW.
- In Episode 8, Axew argued with Pikachu because he believed Pikachu stole his Pokemon Food from him. This actually shows signs that Axew took a few pages from Piplup's book, as Pikachu and Piplup constantly fought with one another in DP. On the contrary, Pikachu and Togepi never bickered (for Pikachu can't afford to fight a "baby pokemon," oh no!). From what we seen, Pikachu and Axew seem to be on equal ground, whereas Pikachu felt obligated (and was expected to) look after Togepi when it roamed out of Misty's arms.
- In just 9 episodes since BW started, Axew was already sent out to battle another Pokemon. Even though there was some comic relief involved (even at 20%, Cilan and Pansage still manage to hurt Axew), it was counterbalanced when Iris stated that her pokemon was already very young when she got it from the village elder. Axew also roamed on its own to give Iris some apples to cheer her up. Togepi NEVER showed a desire to make Misty happy, or to cheer Misty up. As Cilan said to Iris, it is this kind of praise that makes Axew the happiest. Axew may have gotten itself into trouble here, but at least Pikachu or the other trainers didn't seem to "shield" Axew from exploring on its own.
- Axew's playful nature causing Ash's Scraggy to hatch from its egg. When Axew offers to be Scraggy's friend, Scraggy's rude disposition already causes a subtle (yet comical) rivalry to go on. When Scraggy refused to sit alongside Ash's pokemon to eat its food, Axew was the first one to offer Scraggy food. When Scraggy left on his own to battle the Galvantula from a day earlier, Axew was the first one to worry and told Ash and co. How does this make Axew the same as Togepi? Axew's care and consideration for other pokemon makes it almost completely parallel to Pikachu.
- In less than 20 episodes, Axew was roaming out of Iris' hair and actually interacting with the other pokemon. Axew was helping Oshawott and Scraggy look for Ash and Pikachu.
- In Episode 22, Iris literally sent out Axew to use Dragon Rage and get the roaming Venipede to go back into formation. This was comic relief, but would Misty have sent out Togepi for the same effect? I think not.
- In Episode 27, Axew befriended a wild Emolga that decided to give its apple back. Although Emolga was using Axew, the young pokemon still believed in their friendship and decided to thank the Emolga by giving it more apples. Again, it is this kind of consideration for other pokemon that makes Axew completely different from the young and naive Togepi who does absolutely little but get itself into trouble.
- In Episode 28, Axew and Oshawott decided to look for Emolga who ran off to get more apples. When Oshawott wanted to fight the Watchog who tried to stop Emolga, Axew tried to stop it from being reckless. This actually makes Axew similar to how Brock's Mudkip or Ash's Turtwig were when they were stopping unnecessary fights from breaking out. When Snivy came to save the day, Axew was the one who brought Snivy and Emolga together. Again this is Axew's consideration for other pokemon.

So is Axew really "the next Togepi?" Absolutely not.

The only reason why people would even suggest that Axew is anything remotely similar to Togepi is because the female lead of a new series was carrying it around for the first few episodes like a "Poke Doll." Unlike Togepi, who was simply added as an "accessory" for Misty to carry around, and caused a lot of trouble to no end for no reason, Axew does seem to care about its trainer and the pokemon around him. Axew is very naive and weak, but that is to be expected considering how young it is. I wouldn't even go as far as saying that Axew is even "the next Piplup," precisely because both of these pokemon have different personality traits. Piplup selfishly craved attention and focus, whereas Axew seems content with making his trainer and the other pokemon happy.

Why are people saying that Axew and Togepi are exactly the same? If they were truly the same, Axew would be in Iris' hair doing absolutely nothing until the one moment where its Dragon Rage causes Axew to be separated from Iris and co.. And is it really correct to say Axew simply LOVES to cause trouble, or would cry for absolutely no reason?

Remember that when Togepi was out on its own, it would cry until another pokemon tried to cheer it up. It was the case in the first Pikachu special where Bulbasaur and Squirtle attempted to cheer it up. It was also the case throughout the entire Houndoom episode.

On the contrary, Axew actually loves to explore on its own. It only cried during that one battle with Pansage for a justified reason (Axew was simply not used to battling yet). Iris isn't protecting Axew from any dangers around it like Misty did for her Togepi. Unlike Misty, Iris has an obligation to raise her Axew to become powerful.

Since Axew is already portrayed as a meek, kind-hearted individual who cares about the well-being of others, his expected transistion into a powerful and respected powerhouse on the group's team by the end of BW will be even more interesting. I am actually interested in Axew's growth, precisely because Axew is different (in both personality and execution) from any of the group's pokemon (past or present).

There are similarities between both pokemon, but to say that Axew is so similar to Togepi that it is literally a clone? What will you say about Piplup being DP's Pikaclone? Why not just get rid of Pikachu entirely and boast that a blue penguin is now the Pokemon mascot?

It is a complete exaggeration to assume that just because two pokemon appear to be treated as the same, that the writers are intending them to be the same. This is not Kanto or Johto anymore. The writers are focusing less on human growth, and more on pokemon growth.

I would go ahead and just say this: James was not willing to send his Mime Jr. or Chimecho into battle and often panicked if they were ever in danger. These two pokemon would sometimes separate from their trainer and are involved in many comic relief scenarios. In their heyday, these two pokemon were closer to being "the next Togepi" than Axew ever could right now.

 

[Hellion]

One of those battles against Zuruggu may have been for jokes.

Both... they lasted two seconds each and neither ended with a KO and both were played for laughs. Same as its battle with Pansage where it didn't even hurt Cilan's pokémon.

Iris is trying to get Dragon Rage right

How? By never actually working with it to get it right?

Isn't that every Pokemon? Mijumaru wandered off too.

You can't deny that Togepi and Kibago have very similar personalities, the only differences is that Togepi was portrayed as more babyish while Kibago is more young child. But there's something very similar about how Kibago was acting in BW027 and how Togepi was acting in the "Togepi wanders off and befriends a wild pokémon" episodes.

While I do agree that in the long run, Kibago will get more usage than Togepi and unlike the egg, it'll evolve while Iris is still on the main cast, but from what we've seen so far... outside of the few sparring matches and being used against some wild Fushide, it's behaving a lot like Togepi. It just pops out of Iris' hair like Togepi chirped one time each episode just so we'd remember it's still alive.

I don't know how you can even say Kibago and Togepi are the exact same.

I never said that.

 

[Insanish Danish]

Iris keeping Axew in her hair is a lot less annoying than seeing Misty CONSTANTLY carry Togepi around. (Although to be fair, I remember a lot of times in Kanto and Orange Islands where Misty would actually put Togepi down for a bit...then in Johto the thing was like, glued to her. )

Axew also doesn't seem as helpless as Togepi did, so. I don't think they're alike at all. Except that they're both babies.

 

[Sweet Veil]

Both... they lasted two seconds each and neither ended with a KO and both were played for laughs. Same as its battle with Pansage where it didn't even hurt Cilan's pokémon.

So your basically saying Zuruggu and Kibago's first battle was for humor? Ok we get it you don't like Iris but please don't deny that that. Zuruggu and Kibago were obviously having a serious battle they even played the battle music.

Just because two girls you don't like carry cute Pokemon doesn't make them clones. I don't know how you can even claim that at all. There's barly a similarity. And yeah Hellion if she uses Dragon Rage she obviously has faith that her Kibago can do it.