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Leaks and/or Rumours Thread

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People didn’t want or expect SV in 2022 because
  1. Three Pokémon games released in less than one year apart from each other sets a bad precedent for releases in quick succession for future titles.
  2. Given what happened with SwSh, people were begging for GF to slow down and not adhere to the “three-year generation” release cycle because no one could have predicted that we’d actually get decent graphics this time around (let alone open world). In other words, the fandom was concerned about the quality of Gen 9 suffering from being released too early to meet a holiday deadline; some of us still are in terms of how much content SV will have pre-DLC.
 

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People didn’t want or expect SV in 2022 because
  1. Three Pokémon games released in less than one year apart from each other sets a bad precedent for releases in quick succession for future titles.
  2. Given what happened with SwSh, people were begging for GF to slow down and not adhere to the “three-year generation” release cycle because no one could have predicted that we’d actually get decent graphics this time around (let alone open world). In other words, the fandom was concerned about the quality of Gen 9 suffering from being released too early to meet a holiday deadline; some of us still are in terms of how much content SV will have pre-DLC.

Me to peole saying Gen 9 doesn't come in 2022:

They literally announced gen 9 when they announced BDSP when they said SWSH would remain the main competitive setting, since that means they needed something new for the 2023 VCG season, which cannot drag on for longer than three years.
 

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Me to peole saying Gen 9 doesn't come in 2022:

They literally announced gen 9 when they announced BDSP when they said SWSH would remain the main competitive setting, since that means they needed something new for the 2023 VCG season, which cannot drag on for longer than three years.
Except it is very likely that Gen 9 will last for longer than 3 years so that the Gen 10 release can line up properly with the 30th Anniversary
 

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I feel like I was in the minority here because I’m one of few folks who were actually expecting Gen 9 to be announced as it lines up with the 3 years of gen schedule while nearly everyone were so sure that we wouldn’t get Gen 9 this year. I was even telling some people that I wouldn’t be too sure about that as well, lol.

However, I do feel like Gen 9 will be a long generation where it’ll last little more than 3 years though but we’ll see if it’s true or not.
 

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I was on the fence right up until they revealed the starters. SwSh definitely felt like it was on its way out the door and that it was time for Gen 9, but I couldn't entirely dismiss the possibility that they might do DLC for Legends instead and try to squeeze more time out of it... but DLC for Legends wasn't going to help competitive in any way, and patching the Legends and BDSP pokemon into SwSh would have just been handing competitive a flimsy crutch to try to last a year on.

I don't buy the "not enough development time" logic because we know for fact that they develop multiple things concurrently. And there really wasn't any way that they weren't going to use some of the work put into Legends Arceus in Gen 9- the trainer movement alone is too advanced for just a one off game.

Fandom needs to update their idea of how Game Freak development works, I think.
 

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Really hoping they announce a direct by Monday. Afraid my enthusiasm won’t last another week
Honestly, I don't think enthusiasm needs to be a constant thing for a new release cycle. It can (and imo should) go into the background for a bit while there's breaks in news. We'll get new info in due time, so it's ok to take a break from rumor-hawking until then.
 

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Honestly, I don't think enthusiasm needs to be a constant thing for a new release cycle. It can (and imo should) go into the background for a bit while there's breaks in news. We'll get new info in due time, so it's ok to take a break from rumor-hawking until then.
I can't understand maintaining a consistent level of hype for eight months anyway. Even if it dips, it's not like it's not going to come back when a trailer finally does drop.
 

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Yeah but I wanna talk about pokemon right nooooooowwwwww :p

I don't pay attention to news stuff so if I'm not right here when the news drops I usually have to rely on my brother seeing something or my girlfriend linking me to a video. Otherwise I gotta hope that I see a reddit thread about it among the like 100 cat sub posts on my homepage.
 

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I can't understand maintaining a consistent level of hype for eight months anyway. Even if it dips, it's not like it's not going to come back when a trailer finally does drop.
Honestly, I don't think enthusiasm needs to be a constant thing for a new release cycle. It can (and imo should) go into the background for a bit while there's breaks in news. We'll get new info in due time, so it's ok to take a break from rumor-hawking until then.
Hahaha you’re both right; yes of course I’ll still be just as excited. The wait is only agonizing because of my excitement to know more xD
 

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I don't buy the "not enough development time" logic because we know for fact that they develop multiple things concurrently. And there really wasn't any way that they weren't going to use some of the work put into Legends Arceus in Gen 9- the trainer movement alone is too advanced for just a one off game.

Fandom needs to update their idea of how Game Freak development works, I think.

Thing is that developing multiple 3D HD open world console games is a whole different animal from developing multiple 2D sprite based linear handheld games. The former is FAR more intensive and something few developers can get right. And the ones that do are far larger than Game Freak and spend more than 2 or 3 years on their games. To put things in perspective, CoD only manages to remain yearly by having 3 AAA development studios each with 700 people between them last I checked. Game Freak trying to take all of that on with only 200 people (and only just now outsourcing a remake to a small studio with minimal experience in making their own games) shows that they either don't understand or don't care what it takes to make a quality console game in this day and age.
 

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Thing is that developing multiple 3D HD open world console games is a whole different animal from developing multiple 2D sprite based linear handheld games. The former is FAR more intensive and something few developers can get right. And the ones that do are far larger than Game Freak and spend more than 2 or 3 years on their games. To put things in perspective, CoD only manages to remain yearly by having 3 AAA development studios each with 700 people between them last I checked. Game Freak trying to take all of that on with only 200 people (and only just now outsourcing a remake to a small studio with minimal experience in making their own games) shows that they either don't understand or don't care what it takes to make a quality console game in this day and age.
They've been outsourcing to other companies at least since LGPE- maybe sooner, I don't know, but LGPE was the first notable one I know of.
 

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Okay, found another 4chan leak that seems pretty cool yet most likely fake, split into six different parts:

After weeks and weeks of trying contacting an old high school friend of mine who has a relative that works for GF, I finally managed to get some huge info for the gen IX games.
Notice, that I am only going to show only a handful of info as I am forbidden to show the rest of the game.
  • The region is called Sanimo which is the first region since Sinnoh to have more than five letters.
  • Your rivals are Daria, Carlos, and one of the protagonists that you didn't choose. Daria is basically a feminine version of Hau/Hop, Carlos acts like a stereotypical Shonen rival, and finally an interesting note about the unchosen protagonist is that he/she is your twin sibling.
  • Lucia is the region's champion and she also happens to be your older sister.
  • Professor Carob is the professor of the game and is also the older brother of Daria.
  • Unlike in the previous games, you'll get to choose your starter Pokemon right before you began the game. Your twin sibling will get the one with the type advantage while Daria will get the one with the type disadvantage.
  • The games involves you joining some sort of organization that is similar to that of a military camp/school and with some slight inspiration to the Galactic Survey Corp from Pokemon Legends Arceus as they both also involves around exploration. The goal is built up an army and fight against gym leaders who all have their own armies as well and if you defeat eight of them, you get to battle at the Grand Colosseum (AKA the Pokemon League).
  • Depending on each version, the organization you are in will be named by the version you are playing. Both Daria and Carlos are part of your organization while your twin sibling is in the opposite organization from the different version. Professor Carob will be the teacher of your organization.
  • To built up an army, you can battle and defeat certain NPC trainers, and completing sidequests for NPCs; there might be other ways, but that's all I know so far.

To be continued

More info
  • While still on the topic of armies, the games will feature a new mode of battle called Mass Armed Battle where six of your troops join forces with you to defeat the opossing team. Only leaders can use six Pokemon while the troops can only use three Pokemon. The troops can only face the ones in front of them in battle and never against the leader (unless all of their reminding troops are defeated), but one advantage they all have is that they can switch positions much like with triple battles. The battle ends if one of the leader is defeated.
  • You will also have a base where you meet up with your troops, interact with all of your Pokemon, link players on the internet, and even upgrade your base after beating each gym leaders.
  • As for the gym leaders, they are all version exculxes. For example, the first gym leader in Scarlet named Gindoc uses grass while in Violet, the gym leader named Arcana uses bug types instead. One thing to note is that you don't just battle them right away. Instead, you must complete their request before you can battle them such as searching around a forest for specific items. Gym battles will take place in arenas known as Gym Colosseums.
  • Another new mechanic is something related to the blue stars from the Japanese logo. The mechanic here will feature the these stars that turns them into elemental weapons known as Star Equip which acts very similar to Z-Moves back in gen VII, but with mix of Mega Evolution thrown in as well. These weapons gives your Pokemon a third type to go along with the use of their powers; these include a fire sword (fire-type), grass arrow (grass-type), and a bubble rod (water-type). You'll get these from gym leaders you fought, but there's also those you can only get by searching or completeing certain requests. The person who is researching them is named Professor Olive who is also a colleague of Carob and long time friend of Lucia.

To be continued

More info
  • In battle, your Pokemon uses Star Equip for about three times until it eventually runs out. Additionally, there's also Star Equips (known as Star Forms) that can only be used for certain Pokemon such as the Starter Pokemon's final evolutions and even change their appearances as well. Examples include Beedrill having saber-like stingers for arms and a more sharper pair of wings (bug/poison/steel), Lucario with armored fists and a suit that has glowing spots (fighting/steel/psychic), and Treevent holding a wooden rod and wearing a robe that makes it look like a wizard (grass/ghost/dark).
  • The games will feature two villain groups (both are inclusive to both versions). One is Team Crash which are a group of former members of various camp/school organizations that all wanted to rebel against them for what they believe to be unfair towards them and they all seems to hate Pokemon Trainers; they're yet another Skull/Yell group. The second villains are the more major ones; they are a group of upper-class students from an elite school called Occultus Eques Academia; they are said to be mixture of knights and magicians (hence the school name) and the school itself to have a fantasy feel to it. The students are hostile towards what they described as a bunch of "interior commoners" ruining a perfect society and plans to turn Sanimo into a plutocracy where they can rule over the lower-class using Star Equips as their power. Although the Occultus Eques will play a huge importance to the story, you'll fight Team Crash more often than them.
  • Another character who is very important to the story is a mysterious young girl who wears a carnival mask over her face. She is known as either Roja (Scarlet) or Morada (Violet) depending on each version. You'll battle her several times during your journey.

To be continued

Last info
  • The final evolutions for the starters will have second types that are advantageable against each other, much like with gen VI starters. Sprigatito will have fairy type, Fuecoco will have steel type, and Quaxly will have fighting type.
  • Sprigatito's final evolution resembles that of a masquerade performer that also looks like a knight with a little bit of a princess feel to it.
  • Fuecoco's final evolution is that of a large theropod dinosaur such as a carnotaurus with dark reddish markings that looks like parts of armor and row of molten iron spikes on it's back.
  • Quaxly's final evolution looks like a sailor with wavy patterns on it's "hat" and large feathers on it's arms that looks like sleeves.
  • Some of the new Pokemon includes a Yak Pokemon that looks like a large hedge (grass/ground), a puffin Pokemon that evolves into a skua (ice/flying), a chupacabra-based Pokemon (fire/dark), a grey wolf Pokemon (ice/dark), a luna moth Pokemon with crescent moon patterns on it's wing (bug/fairy), a gerbil Pokemon (normal/grass), a Sleeping Beauty-inspired Pokemon (fairy/psychic), a living tombstone (ghost/rock), and a Tarasque-based Pokemon (dragon/rock).
  • Regional forms have return. Examples are Hawluncha with a flamenco look (fire/fighting), Mr Mime that looks like a jester and evolves into a Harlequin performer (psychic/dark), Tauros that looks like a chianina bull and evolves into a minotaur (steel), and Patrat that looks like a psychic user in a cloak and also has a new third evolution (normal/psychic).
  • The legendary mascots are a large bird (Scarlet) and a mystic horse (Violet) while the third one appears to be a dragon; their types are currently a secret for now.

That's all the info you're getting; see you and good night.

In a final note, the game's story will be far more bigger than the more current ones. Whatever it is probably sounds like something from Black and White. Speaking of which, there's also going to be over 120 new Pokemon in the game. It's not as big as 150 like gen V, but still far bigger than the modern titles.
- - -
One last thing I forgot to say is that there's two new Eeveelutions. One is a ghost type and the other is a dragon type.

Another thing is that the Grand Colosseum will be familiar to the Pokemon league from Sword and Shield. That being said, there's no Elite Four in this game.

And that's everything else so far. Good night!
 

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Why would they outsource the entire game? Are game developers not expected to make their own games at all anymore?

Way to completely miss the point. What I'm saying is that the level of work and resources needed to get projects of this scale right are much higher than what Game Freak can do on the own. A small/medium size developer with only 200 people only working on a game for 2 or 3 years is not going to be enough to release yearly open world games like SV. Outsourcing BDSP is a step in the right direction, but a baby step at that since ILCA is another small developer that until then had never been the primary developer for a video game, they had only assisted larger studios with certain projects. The kind of output they want is not a realistic goal for a developer of Game Freak's size and with their level of experience in console development, that's where the concerns are stemming from. So until that changes concerns will linger.
 

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Okay, found another 4chan leak that seems pretty cool yet most likely fake, split into six different parts:

After weeks and weeks of trying contacting an old high school friend of mine who has a relative that works for GF, I finally managed to get some huge info for the gen IX games.
Notice, that I am only going to show only a handful of info as I am forbidden to show the rest of the game.
  • The region is called Sanimo which is the first region since Sinnoh to have more than five letters.
  • Your rivals are Daria, Carlos, and one of the protagonists that you didn't choose. Daria is basically a feminine version of Hau/Hop, Carlos acts like a stereotypical Shonen rival, and finally an interesting note about the unchosen protagonist is that he/she is your twin sibling.
  • Lucia is the region's champion and she also happens to be your older sister.
  • Professor Carob is the professor of the game and is also the older brother of Daria.
  • Unlike in the previous games, you'll get to choose your starter Pokemon right before you began the game. Your twin sibling will get the one with the type advantage while Daria will get the one with the type disadvantage.
  • The games involves you joining some sort of organization that is similar to that of a military camp/school and with some slight inspiration to the Galactic Survey Corp from Pokemon Legends Arceus as they both also involves around exploration. The goal is built up an army and fight against gym leaders who all have their own armies as well and if you defeat eight of them, you get to battle at the Grand Colosseum (AKA the Pokemon League).
  • Depending on each version, the organization you are in will be named by the version you are playing. Both Daria and Carlos are part of your organization while your twin sibling is in the opposite organization from the different version. Professor Carob will be the teacher of your organization.
  • To built up an army, you can battle and defeat certain NPC trainers, and completing sidequests for NPCs; there might be other ways, but that's all I know so far.

To be continued

More info
  • While still on the topic of armies, the games will feature a new mode of battle called Mass Armed Battle where six of your troops join forces with you to defeat the opossing team. Only leaders can use six Pokemon while the troops can only use three Pokemon. The troops can only face the ones in front of them in battle and never against the leader (unless all of their reminding troops are defeated), but one advantage they all have is that they can switch positions much like with triple battles. The battle ends if one of the leader is defeated.
  • You will also have a base where you meet up with your troops, interact with all of your Pokemon, link players on the internet, and even upgrade your base after beating each gym leaders.
  • As for the gym leaders, they are all version exculxes. For example, the first gym leader in Scarlet named Gindoc uses grass while in Violet, the gym leader named Arcana uses bug types instead. One thing to note is that you don't just battle them right away. Instead, you must complete their request before you can battle them such as searching around a forest for specific items. Gym battles will take place in arenas known as Gym Colosseums.
  • Another new mechanic is something related to the blue stars from the Japanese logo. The mechanic here will feature the these stars that turns them into elemental weapons known as Star Equip which acts very similar to Z-Moves back in gen VII, but with mix of Mega Evolution thrown in as well. These weapons gives your Pokemon a third type to go along with the use of their powers; these include a fire sword (fire-type), grass arrow (grass-type), and a bubble rod (water-type). You'll get these from gym leaders you fought, but there's also those you can only get by searching or completeing certain requests. The person who is researching them is named Professor Olive who is also a colleague of Carob and long time friend of Lucia.

To be continued

More info
  • In battle, your Pokemon uses Star Equip for about three times until it eventually runs out. Additionally, there's also Star Equips (known as Star Forms) that can only be used for certain Pokemon such as the Starter Pokemon's final evolutions and even change their appearances as well. Examples include Beedrill having saber-like stingers for arms and a more sharper pair of wings (bug/poison/steel), Lucario with armored fists and a suit that has glowing spots (fighting/steel/psychic), and Treevent holding a wooden rod and wearing a robe that makes it look like a wizard (grass/ghost/dark).
  • The games will feature two villain groups (both are inclusive to both versions). One is Team Crash which are a group of former members of various camp/school organizations that all wanted to rebel against them for what they believe to be unfair towards them and they all seems to hate Pokemon Trainers; they're yet another Skull/Yell group. The second villains are the more major ones; they are a group of upper-class students from an elite school called Occultus Eques Academia; they are said to be mixture of knights and magicians (hence the school name) and the school itself to have a fantasy feel to it. The students are hostile towards what they described as a bunch of "interior commoners" ruining a perfect society and plans to turn Sanimo into a plutocracy where they can rule over the lower-class using Star Equips as their power. Although the Occultus Eques will play a huge importance to the story, you'll fight Team Crash more often than them.
  • Another character who is very important to the story is a mysterious young girl who wears a carnival mask over her face. She is known as either Roja (Scarlet) or Morada (Violet) depending on each version. You'll battle her several times during your journey.

To be continued

Last info
  • The final evolutions for the starters will have second types that are advantageable against each other, much like with gen VI starters. Sprigatito will have fairy type, Fuecoco will have steel type, and Quaxly will have fighting type.
  • Sprigatito's final evolution resembles that of a masquerade performer that also looks like a knight with a little bit of a princess feel to it.
  • Fuecoco's final evolution is that of a large theropod dinosaur such as a carnotaurus with dark reddish markings that looks like parts of armor and row of molten iron spikes on it's back.
  • Quaxly's final evolution looks like a sailor with wavy patterns on it's "hat" and large feathers on it's arms that looks like sleeves.
  • Some of the new Pokemon includes a Yak Pokemon that looks like a large hedge (grass/ground), a puffin Pokemon that evolves into a skua (ice/flying), a chupacabra-based Pokemon (fire/dark), a grey wolf Pokemon (ice/dark), a luna moth Pokemon with crescent moon patterns on it's wing (bug/fairy), a gerbil Pokemon (normal/grass), a Sleeping Beauty-inspired Pokemon (fairy/psychic), a living tombstone (ghost/rock), and a Tarasque-based Pokemon (dragon/rock).
  • Regional forms have return. Examples are Hawluncha with a flamenco look (fire/fighting), Mr Mime that looks like a jester and evolves into a Harlequin performer (psychic/dark), Tauros that looks like a chianina bull and evolves into a minotaur (steel), and Patrat that looks like a psychic user in a cloak and also has a new third evolution (normal/psychic).
  • The legendary mascots are a large bird (Scarlet) and a mystic horse (Violet) while the third one appears to be a dragon; their types are currently a secret for now.

That's all the info you're getting; see you and good night.

In a final note, the game's story will be far more bigger than the more current ones. Whatever it is probably sounds like something from Black and White. Speaking of which, there's also going to be over 120 new Pokemon in the game. It's not as big as 150 like gen V, but still far bigger than the modern titles.
- - -
One last thing I forgot to say is that there's two new Eeveelutions. One is a ghost type and the other is a dragon type.

Another thing is that the Grand Colosseum will be familiar to the Pokemon league from Sword and Shield. That being said, there's no Elite Four in this game.

And that's everything else so far. Good night!
Everything about this sounds far too wonderful to be true lol

But I give this guy credit for going into such detail
 

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After weeks and weeks of trying contacting an old high school friend of mine who has a relative that works for GF
I know this isnt what they meant but my first thought when I read this was some person having fallen for the "my dad works at Nintendo" (or gamefreak in this case) lie and trying to contact them for a leak

Edit: Anyways the whole army thing feels very out of nowhere and doesnt fit pokemon so I am going with fake for sure.
Sounds like a cool game idea though, like not even specifically pokemon just go off and make this it's own game.
 

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Way to completely miss the point. What I'm saying is that the level of work and resources needed to get projects of this scale right are much higher than what Game Freak can do on the own. A small/medium size developer with only 200 people only working on a game for 2 or 3 years is not going to be enough to release yearly open world games like SV. Outsourcing BDSP is a step in the right direction, but a baby step at that since ILCA is another small developer that until then had never been the primary developer for a video game, they had only assisted larger studios with certain projects. The kind of output they want is not a realistic goal for a developer of Game Freak's size and with their level of experience in console development, that's where the concerns are stemming from. So until that changes concerns will linger.
And like I said, they do outsource? They gave BDSP to ILCA entirely but they've outsourced some of the work on their other games so it's not like they've been working with only the 200 or so people at Game Freak (plus about another 100 at Creatures, so 300 between those core two). That's where I'm not understanding your point. They've been outsourcing. They've been outsourcing for awhile now. BDSP is just the first time they didn't bother making any of it, just "Here's all the planning and design we did ~15 years ago, have fun, don't do anything crazy."

Edit: Looks like Creatures is actually at around 200 employees as of February.

CoD also isn't a good comparison? You're talking about a highly detailed realistic-style game versus a simpler, more cartoon art style. One takes a lot more work than the other, fundamentally. Might as well be comparing apples to oranges.
 
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