Now that Forgotten is lynched, some other things I didn't think of came up. But, because I'm (of course) in contact with the investigative roles, I can guarantee that we will bag more scum than just Beck.And that's exactly where you're wrong. This is a one-man show, at least for now. That's what happens with a mass-claim, and why so many people dislike it. You've got to put your faith in the confirmed Townie that he knows what he's doing, that he'll keep the information secure, that he'll set the right people up with each other, and that he'll lead the lynch using all of the information he's gathered.
There are some things that, if I told you them, would suddenly make things click into place for you. With one sentence, I could provide you and everyone else here with enough reasoning to follow me. But I can't. The information has connotations beyond just whether to lynch Beck or Forgotten, and I cannot make those public, or even (in good confidence) share them with anyone else. If I made public why I want to lynch Forgotten over Beck, and explained it in enough detail to make sense, the Mafia would have a massive advantage, and the Town would no longer have the advantage that it does. Information is the most important thing about this game, and I cannot jeopardize any of the information.
I can't give out the scumreads until Forgotten (or, I suppose, Beck) is lynched, and I can't even tell you why until then, either. Even hinting at why could unravel the whole thing, and have it all come crashing down on the Town.
Now do you understand?
And I direct you to the three posts where I explained the absurdity of that logic. (Posts #390, #394, and #419, for those using different post display limits.)GastlyGibus; I direct you to the post where I explained this already.
I was talking with him privately and he told me his role was the same as Forgotten's, that's when I figured one of them had to be lying if their role was the same.Not sure if I misunderstood or not, but did you say that you pressured beck into claiming exactly the same role as Forgotten.
What made you think Beck was tellin the truthI was talking with him privately and he told me his role was the same as Forgotten's, that's when I figured one of them had to be lying if their role was the same.Not sure if I misunderstood or not, but did you say that you pressured beck into claiming exactly the same role as Forgotten.
What made you think Beck was tellin the truth
Say he wanted to fakeclaim Tracker, he could have done so to Gliscorman and Gliscorman would be more inclined to vote Forgotten, and Beck wouldn't need to worry about proving anything if he'd be lynched the next phase.The fact he told me he had no night action made me trust him more because he were Mafia, claiming to not have it would put him on more equal ground with Forgotten because he'd have no role to prove.
Care to elaborate a bit on that? What's so "spooky" about it?That's not to say Beck's off the hook, though. Fact is, both you and Beck have me spooked with your role claims, but GM also considered the same things I gonsidered, and I have to admit, out of the two of us, GM is the more experienced and informed player. My scumdar is still fallible, probably more so than many other people's as shown by the fact that I was certain Soulmaster was scum, and I don't even have a cop role. These are things I have to keep in mind.
Well, FYI, Gliscor's the only truly confirmed townie. That comment reeks of scum. No wonder he doesn't trust you. Huge FoS:Midorikara.@GliscorMan; I do have an issue because again MAFIA IS NOT A ONE MAN SHOW! Yet that phase got treated as one. For you it may have been more, but for the thread for that phase it was about Beck vs Forgotten because we had the information in front of us in thread, not what you had. The mafia revolved around everyone not one person for one phase or ever! If disagreeing with you and pointing out how wrong you are makes me scum, then so be it, but I will not keep quiet and watch you or any one make decision that hurt the town like you just did.
Mido. What do you want? There's nothing I can change without throwing the game. I won't throw the game because I don't like getting banned. What do you propose I do that won't get me banned?I do have an issue because again MAFIA IS NOT A ONE MAN SHOW! Yet that phase got treated as one. For you it may have been more, but for the thread for that phase it was about Beck vs Forgotten because we had the information in front of us in thread, not what you had. The mafia revolved around everyone not one person for one phase or ever! If disagreeing with you and pointing out how wrong you are makes me scum, then so be it, but I will not keep quiet and watch you or any one make decision that hurt the town like you just did.
There. Happy? I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing.EpicMafia Wiki said:In a game with whispers enabled, the town may decide to claim to a certain clear (or near-clear), who can sort out the information in order to decide who to lynch or how otherwise to proceed (typically by finding counterclaimed roles). This has the advantage of not outing players' roles, especially power roles, to the mafia as a public massclaim would do.
I'm sorry, but I've been without Internet this week, I'm on vacation with family. I'll post with all of my thoughts in the next hour. Let me read back.
Trust is not a one way street. If you cannot trust me, how can you expect me to trust you in return?Again, I have not told you anything about what's going on because I don't trust you, and I can't trust the public. It's as simple as that.
Well, as we can see, the trust that was placed in you by the others was clearly misplaced, considering you were wrong about Forgotten being mafia.If you can't find it in yourself to trust the only freaking confirmed townie, then I doubt whether or not you're on the same side as I am. Highly doubt, as in I'd genuinely be impressed if you flipped Town.
No, it's not personal. I never said it was. I'm only sounding frustrated because you, and others, are willfully ignoring what I'm trying to say. I am fully aware that whatever information you have is sensitive. Of course it is. I never asked for you to tell me absolutely everything you know, and I understand that, obviously, since you don't trust me, you're not ging to share that with me. I understand that.Why doesn't it make sense that I can't tell you? There's a lot of information at stake, and I'm putting the needs of the Town over the needs of individuals. Chill out, it's nothing personal.
And we can see what happens when you keep everything to yourself.You two are literally suggesting that I throw everything I've worked for away because you don't like one of the steps.
The goal of the game, at least for the town, is to lynch the mafia before they all are killed themselves. How, exactly, does lynching a town member help us? Yes, we get information. Cool. Fantastic, even. But if we keep taking shots in the dark like this, and lynching town members left and right, we will lose. We can't afford more mislynches for information's sake. It's dangerous, and if we keep this up, the town will lose. Period.Once again, I'm going to state that the lynch on Forgotten was not about Beck vs Forgotten.
The outcome that I'm working for is a Town victory. If you have a problem with that, speak up so we can lynch you for being Mafia.
Your sarcasm is annoying and it's a low blow if you're trying to be funny. You're playing too confidently, and you were the one reluctant to claim to a confirmed innocent. That's ridiculous. And @GastlyGibus;, what happened to you? Your tone is awful. Calm down.Look we got scu- oh wait, no we didn't because for some reason logic dictates that the one that lied about their role was supposed to be town, and thus the one that evidence pointed to as town is scum.