Moves that Pokemon should/should not be able to learn

[UB-01 Kenobi]

Not a good reason for it not to be able to Fly.

Flygon was never a Flying type, but it can use Fly. And Decidueye has wings and it capable of flight, as seen in its Z-move animation (as well as Brave Bird)

But there's literally no point in giving it Fly. Fly doesn't do anything outside of battle and Brave Bird is better in every way.

 

[DoctorWhy]

But there's literally no point in giving it Fly. Fly doesn't do anything outside of battle and Brave Bird is better in every way.

Well Fly doesn't have recoil damage. Besides, Pokemon learn tons of moves that are surpassed by others. No good reason for it to not have Fly.

 

[UB-01 Kenobi]

Well Fly doesn't have recoil damage. Besides, Pokemon learn tons of moves that are surpassed by others. No good reason for it to not have Fly.

The recoil is a small price to pay for the higher power, 100% accuracy, and most importantly, not being a 2 turn move. Fly is like literally a terrible move lmao

And sure it wouldn't NOT make sense to give it Fly, but like I said, who really cares one way or the other since it got brave bird?

 

[Arceus the Dragon]

There are other bird pokemon that can't use Fly. Look at Farfetch'd and Doduo line. Gyarados is part Flying but is unable to use it.

 

[SirOni]

There are other bird pokemon that can't use Fly. Look at Farfetch'd and Doduo line. Gyarados is part Flying but is unable to use it.

Farfetch'd and Doduo-line definitely can. Looking at the list Decidueye's line may be the only birds with wings that can't learn Fly.

 

[Arceus the Dragon]

Farfetch'd and Doduo-line definitely can. Looking at the list Decidueye's line may be the only birds with wings that can't learn Fly.

Wait, how does Doduo and Dodrio fly? They have no wings.

 

[BigBadButterfree]

Wait, how does Doduo and Dodrio fly? They have no wings.

Idk, game logic? I think it's weirder that Pokémon like Drampa and Tapu Koko CAN learn fly. At least Golurk has the rocket-like explanation. Does Drampa even have wings?

 

[SirOni]

Wait, how does Doduo and Dodrio fly? They have no wings.

You asked for it.

 

[Dieter]

Alolan Marowak can't learn shadow claw... but it has claws? And is a ghost type? Granted it has Shadow Bone but that is not accessible till very late game...

 

[Matleo]

should Incineroar get Surf?

its the slowest fire type and only Emboar gets Scald.
+the tiger would really need a swim option for the islands.

(Imagine if they would buff Surf in future that when you use it then if your oponent uses a special oriented water type move in the same turn your move will negate his)

Tortunator getting better ability? like Solid Rock or Sturdy?

 

[Gengarzilla]

should Incineroar get Surf?

its the slowest fire type and only Emboar gets Scald.
+the tiger would really need a swim option for the islands.

(Imagine if they would buff Surf in future that when you use it then if your oponent uses a special oriented water type move in the same turn your move will negate his)

Tortunator getting better ability? like Solid Rock or Sturdy?

All up for Turtonator getting either one of those, but Incinerator with Surf is waaaay too far-fetched. It sounds like something from a wishlist tbh.

 

[Arceus the Dragon]

should Incineroar get Surf?

its the slowest fire type and only Emboar gets Scald.
+the tiger would really need a swim option for the islands.

(Imagine if they would buff Surf in future that when you use it then if your oponent uses a special oriented water type move in the same turn your move will negate his)

Tortunator getting better ability? like Solid Rock or Sturdy?

No way Incineroar would get Surf. The reason Emboar got Scald is because Scald was a boiling hot water attack that burns the opponent. Surf is reserve mostly for Water types and those big enough to swim with. Incineroar is most unlikely unable to swim and could drown in water.

 

[DoctorWhy]

Speaking of Surf, I've always found it super weird that Rhydon and Nidoking have access to it.

 

[Gengarzilla]

I'm not even certain why Emboar learns Scald in the first place. Ignoring Volcanion, Emboar's the only Fire type with this move. What exactly is it that makes only Emboar able to learn this move out of all Fire type Pokémon? What does it have that the likes of Charizard and Magmortar lack?

Too much questions and not enough answers, really.

 

[TheBioGuy]

Pigs wallow in mud, mud has water, there you go? That and it was introduced in gen V, and so was scald? That's my only guesses.

 

[Matleo]

No way Incineroar would get Surf. The reason Emboar got Scald is because Scald was a boiling hot water attack that burns the opponent. Surf is reserve mostly for Water types and those big enough to swim with. Incineroar is most unlikely unable to swim and could drown in water.

I'm not even certain why Emboar learns Scald in the first place. Ignoring Volcanion, Emboar's the only Fire type with this move. What exactly is it that makes only Emboar able to learn this move out of all Fire type Pokémon? What does it have that the likes of Charizard and Magmortar lack?

Too much questions and not enough answers, really.

Speaking of Surf, I've always found it super weird that Rhydon and Nidoking have access to it.

pigs are associated with water like tigers too, both can swim I think it would suit him good.
Incineroar lives on islands in Alola it would be that it can somehow travel fro,m island to island or not?
Nido is based on lizard and rhydon on a rhino both real life animals are able to swim.

Why should a new poke not gain some more interesting love + and Incineroar lack off speed will get recompensated like Emboar did.

I would not mind if Turtonator would get Scald and Surf.
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Moves like "Fly" that hit on the next turn should be abble to make the target flinch with 10% chance.
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Moves like Wrap also should be able to rise the chance of flinching about 10% every turn.

 

[Kyriaki]

I want Alolan Raichu to learn Surf.

Yeah... I thought surfing was the whole point of Raichu... it even has a Z-move termed as surfing... so much for The Legend of the Surfing Pikachu

 

[Matleo]

I want Alolan Raichu to learn Surf.

Yeah... I thought surfing was the whole point of Raichu... it even has a Z-move termed as surfing... so much for The Legend of the Surfing Pikachu

imagine now a Surf tournament in pokemon anime a battle on boards.

 

[Ryoma Maser]

I want Alolan Raichu to learn Surf.
Yeah... I thought surfing was the whole point of Raichu... it even has a Z-move termed as surfing... so much for The Legend of the Surfing Pikachu

I think it was sorta done so Raichu couldn't have a advantage over Ground-types. But with the ridiculous moves they gave Pikachu over the years and they do not give him that, yeah I can see why your mad. Double especially with Ryhorn and NidoKing able to learn Surf, and yet a Pokemon who is known for surfing doesn't have it.

 

[Matleo]

I think it was sorta done so Raichu couldn't have a advantage over Ground-types. But with the ridiculous moves they gave Pikachu over the years and they do not give him that, yeah I can see why your mad. Double especially with Ryhorn and NidoKing able to learn Surf, and yet a Pokemon who is known for surfing doesn't have it.

maybe they could reduce the power of moves like Surf and similar to 80 and buff it with a effect like I mentioned above then more pokes could get it?
Imagine that it could block every special oriented water type move like Water gun even if your oponent is faster if used in the same turn.

Then again Alolan Raichu has now dark type and bug type wories, Surf would only allow it to fight ground types better but with its lack of speed?
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Decidueye learning Ice Shard makes sense if you look at ghost typing and that ghosts can manipulate elements especially cold.
It wouuld allow it to hit Garchomp and others better.
It could send a Ice arrow.
(hope they ad Shadow Sneak but Ice Shard would be better or it could learn both, it needs the priority)

Incineroar with Bullet Punch would also be good.
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would be cool if the game would allow weather changes to have 1-10 % chance of occuring during all battles outside of buildings without using moves or abilities.
Some Automatic weather that happens not depending only on where you battle.
(taking that deserts, seasons and snowy mountains are taken care of)
Rain, Sun, Tailwind(for your or oponents side) could have hapen more without your or oponents need to use a ability or move.
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Sabley and it's Stall ability:
Why not make it learn Skill Swap and Entertaiment?
Would be perfect if they would change that and make it worthy to use more.

(also a Reverse Stall or Truant ability for the user that would work on the oponent and make it move last or take away a turn would be welcomed in gen 8, perfect for a ghost or magic clock based pokemon )