Moves that Pokemon should/should not be able to learn

[Gengarzilla]

It's especially weird given Game Freak's approach to IVs -someone said they wanted to keep them hidden to keep players from viewing Pokemon as numbers, and Masuda has his recent quote about not wanting Pokemon to be about breeding. I think it's weird to have IVs at all, but especially in the case of Hidden Power.

Normally I don't have a lot of beef with IVs. Call me a weirdo with way too much time on his hands but I actually like being able to combine all the best parts/genes/traits of both parents into one child and so on; I happen to find it an engaging exercise and do take some pride in a successful attempt. It's really just the relation between IVs and Hidden Power that I'm growing to dislike.

 

[Lightning Flame Blast]

I was scrolling through Lunala's moveset these days and found out it can learn Sunny Day.

The beast that calls the moon can force the sun to shine.

 

[Lone_Garurumon]

I was scrolling through Lunala's moveset these days and found out it can learn Sunny Day.

The beast that calls the moon can force the sun to shine.

It makes slightly more sense when you remember the Japanese name is simply "Clear Sky", and makes no explicit mention of the sun.

 

[Nitro Indigo]

And the moon reflects sunlight.

 

[Gengarzilla]

Yeah, it's more a case of the move's translated name not matching as well with the Pokémon than the Japanese name. Forcing the sun to shine still doesn't fit but I could see Lunala preferring cloudless nights.

...With that in mind, why can't Lunatone learn Sunny Day?

 

[Dieter]

Cotton Guard for Banette. It once got it as an event move and it makes sense thematically...

 

[Lightning Flame Blast]

Vaporeon, the Bubble Jet Pokemon, should probably be able to learn Aqua Jet.

 

[Gengarzilla]

I was getting a new Chansey grinding Pokémon ready for Ultra Moon when something about my chosen species genuinely threw me off. Mawile seriously can't learn Covet? A move that involves endearingly approaching the target is a no go for a Pokémon that fools foes with adorable gestures? Come on now...

And as for a more blatantly obvious goof-up, Necrozma should have gotten access to Dragon Claw in USUM to reflect what we now know to be its original form. They actually thought to give it the tutor moves Dragon Pulse and Outrage, but not the TM move Dragon Claw? It reminds me of Zangoose and Cut.

 

[Camille]

I'm puzzled by the fact Celebi can't learn Psyshock, which is an amazing move for dealing with Blissey and Tentacruel.

 

[Kallyle]

I'm puzzled by the fact Celebi can't learn Psyshock, which is an amazing move for dealing with Blissey and Tentacruel.

I'm also shocked that Celebi can't learn any Fairy-type moves whatsoever. It's clearly based on a nature fairy, even if it doesn't have the Fairy-type.

EDIT: I was wrong. It can still learn Dazzling Gleam. I still think it needs Fairy-type moves during level-up though.

 

[FinnishPokéFan92]

Vaporeon, the Bubble Jet Pokemon, should probably be able to learn Aqua Jet.

Wouldn't be a Bubble Jet, but I agree with you regardless.

 

[TheHungryBox]

Here's what moves certain mons learn: (mostly competitive buffs)
-Venusaur now learns Rock Slide via TM
-Butterfree now learns Hurricane
-Alola Raichu now learns Electric Terrain (via level-up), Surf and Dazzling Gleam (both via TM)
-Alola Sandslash now learns Ice Shard
-Nidoqueen now learns Gunk Shot
-Nidoking now learns Gunk Shot and Crunch
-Clefable now learns Tailwind
-Wigglytuff now learns Tailwind, Belly Drum, and Boomburst
-Arcanine now learns Earthquake
-Poliwrath now learns Liquidation, Superpower and Drain Punch
-Machamp now learns Mach Punch
-Gengar now learns Nasty Plot and Sludge Wave (via TM)
-Electivire now learns Throat Chop, Knock Off, Power-Up Punch, Drain Punch, Superpower and Bulk Up as well as gaining the Iron Fist ability
-Magmortar now learns Earth Power and Eruption as well as gaining the Sheer Force ability
-Glaceon now learns Freeze-Dry and Dazzling Gleam
-Typhlosion now learns Earth Power
-Togekiss now learns Moonblast and Hurricane
-Ampharos now learns Tail Glow, Dazzling Gleam, Flash Cannon and gains Lighting Rod ability
-Weavile now gains the Moxie ability
-Entei now learns Earthquake
-Sceptile now learns Nasty Plot (via breeding)
-Gardevoir now learns Aura Sphere
-Breloom now learns Drain Punch (via level-up)
-Aggron now learns Crunch
-Roserade now learns Quiver Dance
-Flygon now learns Bug Buzz
-Lunatone now learns Moonlight (via level-up)
-Solrock now learns Morning Sun (via level-up)
-Torterra HA is now Thick Fat
-Rampardos now gains the Rock Head ability
-Lopunny now learns Play Rough (via breeding)
-Vesiquen now gains the Queenly Majesty ability
-Gible line now learns Bite
-Abomasnow now learns Ice Hammer
-Pignite now learns Bulk Up
-Emboar now learns Fire Punch (via level-up) and Drain Punch
-Samurott now learns Sacred Sword (via level-up)
-Lilligant now learns Dazzling Gleam and Weather Ball
-Scrafty now learns Sucker Punch and Gunk Shot
-Cinccino now learns Play Rough and Comet Punch
-Reuinclus now learns Thunderbolt
-Ferrothorn now learns Spiky Shield
-Eelektross now learns, Aqua Tail (via level-up), Leech Life and Thunder Fang
-Haxorus now learns Dragon Rush
-Beartic now learns Ice Hammer
-Hydreigon now learns Dragon Dance (via breeding)
-Reshiram now learns Earth Power
-Zekrom now learns Earthquake and Superpower
-Kyurem now learns Ice Shard, Icicle Crash, Earthquake and Superpower
-Delphox now learns Charge Beam, Thunderbolt, Aura Sphere, Energy Ball and Weather Ball
-Florges now learns Giga Drain and Synthesis (via breeding)
-Pangoro now learns Sucker Punch and Mach Punch
-Heliolisk now learns Solar Beam, Weather Ball, Sunny Day and Dazzling Gleam
-Tyrantrum now learns Stomping Tantrum and Outrage (via level-up)
-Aurorus now learns Aurora Veil, Power Gem, Calm Mind and Dazzling Gleam
-Goodra now learns Recover
-Incineroar now learns Sucker Punch
-Primarina now learns Calm Mind, Wish, Draining Kiss and Aurora Veil
-Crabominable now learns Ice Shard
-Lurantis now gains the Chlorophyll ability
-Bewear now learns Play Rough (via breeding),
-Silvally now learns Energy Ball, Shadow Ball, Dark Pulse and Dragon Pulse
-Jamgmo-o line now learns Bite
-Kommo-o now learns Aura Sphere, Stone Edge, Mach Punch and Power-Up Punch, HA is now Multiscale + more egg moves (Dragon Pulse, Superpower, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Elemental Fangs, Crunch, Dragon Dance)

 

[FinnishPokéFan92]

Here's what moves certain mons learn: (mostly competitive buffs)
-Venusaur now learns Rock Slide via TM
-Butterfree now learns Hurricane
-Alola Raichu now learns Electric Terrain (via level-up), Surf and Dazzling Gleam (both via TM)
-Alola Sandslash now learns Ice Shard
-Nidoqueen now learns Gunk Shot
-Nidoking now learns Gunk Shot and Crunch
-Clefable now learns Tailwind
-Wigglytuff now learns Tailwind, Belly Drum, and Boomburst
-Arcanine now learns Earthquake
-Poliwrath now learns Liquidation, Superpower and Drain Punch
-Machamp now learns Mach Punch
-Gengar now learns Nasty Plot and Sludge Wave (via TM)
-Electivire now learns Throat Chop, Knock Off, Power-Up Punch, Drain Punch, Superpower and Bulk Up as well as gaining the Iron Fist ability
-Magmortar now learns Earth Power and Eruption as well as gaining the Sheer Force ability
-Glaceon now learns Freeze-Dry and Dazzling Gleam
-Typhlosion now learns Earth Power
-Togekiss now learns Moonblast and Hurricane
-Ampharos now learns Tail Glow, Dazzling Gleam, Flash Cannon and gains Lighting Rod ability
-Weavile now gains the Moxie ability
-Entei now learns Earthquake
-Sceptile now learns Nasty Plot (via breeding)
-Gardevoir now learns Aura Sphere
-Breloom now learns Drain Punch (via level-up)
-Aggron now learns Crunch
-Roserade now learns Quiver Dance
-Flygon now learns Bug Buzz
-Lunatone now learns Moonlight (via level-up)
-Solrock now learns Morning Sun (via level-up)
-Torterra HA is now Thick Fat
-Rampardos now gains the Rock Head ability
-Lopunny now learns Play Rough (via breeding)
-Vesiquen now gains the Queenly Majesty ability
-Gible line now learns Bite
-Abomasnow now learns Ice Hammer
-Pignite now learns Bulk Up
-Emboar now learns Fire Punch (via level-up) and Drain Punch
-Samurott now learns Sacred Sword (via level-up)
-Lilligant now learns Dazzling Gleam and Weather Ball
-Scrafty now learns Sucker Punch and Gunk Shot
-Cinccino now learns Play Rough and Comet Punch
-Reuinclus now learns Thunderbolt
-Ferrothorn now learns Spiky Shield
-Eelektross now learns, Aqua Tail (via level-up), Leech Life and Thunder Fang
-Haxorus now learns Dragon Rush
-Beartic now learns Ice Hammer
-Hydreigon now learns Dragon Dance (via breeding)
-Reshiram now learns Earth Power
-Zekrom now learns Earthquake and Superpower
-Kyurem now learns Ice Shard, Icicle Crash, Earthquake and Superpower
-Delphox now learns Charge Beam, Thunderbolt, Aura Sphere, Energy Ball and Weather Ball
-Florges now learns Giga Drain and Synthesis (via breeding)
-Pangoro now learns Sucker Punch and Mach Punch
-Heliolisk now learns Solar Beam, Weather Ball, Sunny Day and Dazzling Gleam
-Tyrantrum now learns Stomping Tantrum and Outrage (via level-up)
-Aurorus now learns Aurora Veil, Power Gem, Calm Mind and Dazzling Gleam
-Goodra now learns Recover
-Incineroar now learns Sucker Punch
-Primarina now learns Calm Mind, Wish, Draining Kiss and Aurora Veil
-Crabominable now learns Ice Shard
-Lurantis now gains the Chlorophyll ability
-Bewear now learns Play Rough (via breeding),
-Silvally now learns Energy Ball, Shadow Ball, Dark Pulse and Dragon Pulse
-Jamgmo-o line now learns Bite
-Kommo-o now learns Aura Sphere, Stone Edge, Mach Punch and Power-Up Punch, HA is now Multiscale + more egg moves (Dragon Pulse, Superpower, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Elemental Fangs, Crunch, Dragon Dance)

Thanks, but that's not really following the theme of this thread. Here, you're supposed to say why you think certain Pokémon should or shouldn't be able to learn certain move(s).

 

[TechSkylander1518]

I think they're saying that in response to people previously saying that these Pokemon should learn these moves.

 

[RK9]

Primarina should learn Calm Mind and Boomburst. Calm Mind because she needs to be focused and calm to perform her best song, and Boomburst for those times that she doesn't maintain a Calm Mind and hits a note wrong.

 

[TheHungryBox]

Primarina should learn Calm Mind and Boomburst. Calm Mind because she needs to be focused and calm to perform her best song, and Boomburst for those times that she doesn't maintain a Calm Mind and hits a note wrong.

She already has 120 Sp. Attack tho, so maybe not Boomburst

 

[TheHungryBox]

Ok, i'll fix it:
Poliwrath not learning actual fighting moves (Drain Punch and Superpower) - there's no excuse for it not learning those
Magmortar not learning Earth Power and Eruption - its magma for god's sake, yet it learns neither, not only that, Earth Power would sure help it
Ampharos not learning Tail Glow - no brainer
Aurorus not learning Aurora Veil - another no brainer
Tyrantrum not having Outrage and Stomping Tantrum in its level-up movepool - look at its name and you'll see why, plus it only gets both via tutors
Solrock and Lunatone not learning Morning Sun and Moonlight in their level-up movepools respectively - they're only available via Dreamworld, which is now dead
Scrafty not learning Sucker Punch and Gunk Shot - its a gangster
Incineroar not learning Sucker Punch - its a heel wrestler
Reuniclus not learning Thunderbolt - most psychic-types get it, so why can't Reuinclus?
the Tao Trio not learning Earthquake (and Earth Power in Reshiram's case) - they're all heavy, yet they don't get Earthquake
Entei not learning Earthquake - look at one of its dex entries and weight, but still doesn't get Earthquake
Kommo-o line not having plenty of egg moves (not even at least 4) - it only has 3 egg moves and they all suck, give it egg moves like the elemental fangs, Crunch, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Dragon Pulse, Superpower, Double-Edge
Eelektross not learning Leech Life nor Thunder Fang - its a leech with fangs, yet get neither, also only gets Aqua Tail via tutor
Emboar not having Fire Punch in its level-up movepool - again, just look at one of its dex entries
Ferrothorn not learning Spiky Shield (tho would make it more annoying) - again, another no brainer
Kommo-o also not learning any biting moves - they have jaws, yet no biting moves
Aggron not learning Crunch - look above
Lopunny and Cinccino not learning Play Rough - both cute looking normal-types that could use more coverage
Sesmitoad not learning any physical water moves - its a physical attack, yet doesn't get Waterfall nor Liqudation
Gible line not learning Bite - do i have to say it? -_- (sure Garchomp gets Crunch, but why not also Bite?)
Silvally not learning Energy Ball, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Aura Sphere nor Shadow Ball - its a chimera
Shroomish learning Drain Punch - just make it a level-up move for Breloom instead of a egg move and call it a day
Togekiss not learning Moonblast nor Hurricane - i'm surprised it get neither (especially the former)

 

[Lightning Flame Blast]

Speaking of Seismitoad, why can't it learn Ice Beam either? Even Feebas can learn it!

 

[Camille]

It is somewhat odd that Dragonair and Dragonite can't learn Smart Strike, despite being able to learn Horn Drill by TM in Generation I.

 

[ShinxDaSphinx]

What exactly was the point of giving Cryogonal Attract exactly? It's a genderless Pokemon, which means the move will always fail.