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National Pokedex Order

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I know that the official pokedex ordering is used in the wiki always, but I thought that maybe we should make one that makes more sense.

It has always frustrated me how the national pokedex lists them by game essentially. Sure, if they are being created by humans that makes sense, but to me it seems like they would have two orders, order of discovery, which is the current order (it wouldn't truly be that way if they were real, but this one I am willing to sacrifice) and order of convenience.

Basically we would order it something like:

-Starter Pokemon,
-Pokemon found in all regions natively (see Note1)
-Kanto Pokemon
-Johto Pokemon
-Hoenn Pokemon
-Sinnoh Pokemon
-Legendary Pokemon

Basically we would have the starters as the first 36 pokemon, then Kanto pokemon with all evolutions in order no matter what generation they are from, and so on and so forth.

We could instead of having it based on region and evolution, make it similar to the formatting of a regional pokedex. Which has certain patterns we could follow in creating this one.

Also, something that should be included in every game from now on is the ability to view the pokemon's native region(s) and where to catch them there.

So, I'm just wondering if anyone wants to help me in performing this task, as I think if we could create something of the sort and submit it to nintendo as a sorting option for future National pokedexes, perhaps it would make it easier for people attempting to see the relationships of pokemon or find evolved forms.

Note 1: Johto regional pokedex is somewhat inaccurate, because rather than creating a pokedex for the region, they simply attempted to make it match the original New Pokedex available in G/S/C as closely as possible. This means that someone should really go through and find the pokemon that clearly aren't native to Johto and eliminate them from that regional pokedex for the sake of this project.
 
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That seems interesting! I don't have enough time to do it, but I will try to look in on your progress.
 
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I'd prefer if it went in order of Type - Legendary - Event Legendary , with each category being sorted alpabetically by the name of the lowest stage of evolution in that evolution chain.

The Japanese TCG order their sets by type, so we could just use that, and expand on it.
 
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I have one incomplete reordered dex listing on my subpage in Bulbapedia.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:UltimateSephiroth/Odds_and_ends#If_National_Dex_was_reorganized...
It doesn't go in that order you told, though.
No, it doesn't, but it is an interesting start to this project. I think this ordering for the starters would be a good idea.

I think having it by type is too obvious and not as proper for what the ingame world would create

Edit: I found this on Bulbapedia which would also be helpful in creating it List of Pokémon by evolution family, and is it just me, or shouldn't it be the INTERNational Pokedex order? Or are all of these regions really part of one nation? That would make sense as far as being based on Japan goes.
 
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I think having it by type is too obvious and not as proper for what the ingame world would create.
It makes more sense though. After all, in real life animals are categorised by what species they are, rather than the order they are discovered. For example, an encyclopaedia doesn't go:

Fish, Fish, Fish, Ladybug, Fish, Fish, Snake, Cricket.

Using the idea I posted earlier, I did produce this:

001 - Bellsprout
002 - Weepinbell
003 - Victreebel
004 - Budew
005 - Roselia
006 - Roserade
007 - Bulbasaur
008 - Ivysaur
009 - Venusaur
010 - Cacnea
011 - Cacturne
012 - Carnivine
013 - Cherubi
014 - Cherrim
015 - Chikorita
016 - Bayleef
017 - Meganium
018 - Exeggcute
019 - Exeggutor
020 - Hoppip
021 - Skiploom
022 - Jumpluff
023 - Oddish
024 - Gloom
025 - Vileplume
026 - Bellossom
027 - Seedot
028 - Nuzleaf
029 - Shiftry
030 - Shroomish
031 - Breloom
032 - Snover
033 - Abomasnow
034 - Sunkern
035 - Sunflora
036 - Tangela
037 - Tangrowth
038 - Treecko
039 - Grovyle
040 - Sceptile
041 - Tropius
042 - Turtwig
043 - Grotle
044 - Torterra
045 - Burmy
046 - Wormadam
047 - Mothim
048 - Caterpie
049 - Metapod
050 - Butterfree
051 - Combee
052 - Vespiquen
053 - Heracross
054 - Illumise
055 - Kricketot
056 - Kricketune
057 - Ledyba
058 - Ledian
059 - Nincada
060 - Ninjask
061 - Shedinja
062 - Paras
063 - Parasect
064 - Pineco
065 - Forretress
066 - Pinsir
067 - Scyther
068 - Scizor
069 - Shuckle
070 - Spinarak
071 - Ariados
072 - Surskit
073 - Masquerain
074 - Venonat
075 - Venomoth
076 - Volbeat
077 - Weedle
078 - Kakuna
079 - Beedrill
080 - Wurmple
081 - Silcoon
082 - Beautifly
083 - Cascoon
084 - Dustox
085 - Yanma
086 - Yanmega

087 - Charmander
088 - Charmeleon
089 - Charizard
090 - Chimchar
091 - Monferno
092 - Infernape
093 - Cyndaquil
094 - Quilava
095 - Typhlosion
096 - Growlithe
097 - Arcanine
098 - Magby
099 - Magmar
100 - Magmortar
101 - Numel
102 - Camerupt
103 - Ponyta
104 - Rapidash
105 - Slugma
106 - Magcargo
107 - Torchic
108 - Combusken
109 - Blaziken
110 - Torkoal
111 - Vulplix
112 - Ninetales

113 - Azurill
114 - Marill
115 - Azumarill
116 - Barboach
117 - Whiscash
118 - Buizel
119 - Floatzel
120 - Carvanha
121 - Sharpedo
122 - Chinchou
123 - Lanturn
124 - Clamperl
125 - Huntail
126 - Gorebyss
127 - Corphish
128 - Crawdaunt
129 - Corsola
130 - Feebas
131 - Milotic
132 - Finneon
133 - Lumineon
134 - Goldeen
135 - Seaking
136 - Horsea
137 - Seadra
138 - Kingdra
139 - Krabby
140 - Kingler
141 - Lapras
142 - Lotad
143 - Lombre
144 - Ludicolo
145 - Luvdisc
146 - Magikarp
147 - Gyarados
148 - Mantyke
149 - Mantine
150 - Mudkip
151 - Marshtomp
152 - Swampert
153 - Piplup
154 - Prinplup
155 - Empoleon
156 - Poliwag
157 - Poliwhirl
158 - Poliwrath
159 - Politoed
160 - Psyduck
161 - Golduck
162 - Qwilfish
163 - Relicanth
164 - Remoraid
165 - Octillery
166 - Seel
167 - Dewgong
168 - Shellder
169 - Cloyster
170 - Shellos
171 - Gastrodon
172 - Slowpoke
173 - Slowbro
174 - Slowking
175 - Staryu
176 - Starmie
177 - Squirtle
178 - Wartortle
179 - Blastoise
180 - Tentacool
181 - Tentacruel
182 - Totodile
183 - Crononaw
184 - Feraligatr
185 - Wailmer
186 - Wailord
187 - Wingull
188 - Pelipper
189 - Wooper
190 - Quagsire

191 - Delibird
192 - Smoochum
193 - Jynx
194 - Snorunt
195 - Glalie
196 - Froslass
197 - Spheal
198 - Sealeo
199 - Walrein
200 - Swinub
201 - Piloswine
202 - Mamoswine

203 - Electrike
204 - Manectric
205 - Elekid
206 - Electabuzz
207 - Electivire
208 - Magnemite
209 - Magneton
210 - Magnezone
211 - Mareep
212 - Flaafy
213 - Ampharos
214 - Minun
215 - Pachirisu
216 - Pichu
217 - Pikachu
218 - Raichu
219 - Plusle
220 - Rotom
221 - Shinx
222 - Luxio
223 - Luxray
224 - Voltorb
225 - Electrode

226 - Croagunk
227 - Toxicroak
228 - Ekanks
229 - Arbok
230 - Grimer
231 - Muk
232 - Gulpin
233 - Swalot
234 - Koffing
235 - Weezing
236 - Nidoran(F)
237 - Nidorina
238 - Nidoqueen
239 - Nidoran(M)
240 - Nidorino
241 - Nidoking
242 - Seviper
243 - Skorupi
244 - Drapion
245 - Stunky
246 - Skuntank
247 - Zubat
248 - Golbat
249 - Crobat
250 - Abra
251 - Kadabra
252 - Alakazam
253 - Drowzee
254 - Hypno
255 - Mime Jr.
256 - Mr. Mime
257 - Natu
258 - Xatu
259 - Ralts
260 - Kirlia
261 - Gardevoir
262 - Gallade
263 - Spoink
264 - Grumpig
265 - Chingling
266 - Chimecho
267 - Unown
268 - Wynaut
269 - Wobbuffet

270 - Drifloon
271 - Drifblim
272 - Duskull
273 - Dusclops
274 - Dusknoir
275 - Gastly
276 - Haunter
277 - Gengar
278 - Misdreavus
279 - Mismagius
280 - Shuppet
281 - Banette
282 - Spiritomb

283 - Absol
284 - Hondour
285 - Houndoom
286 - Murkrow
287 - Honchkrow
288 - Poochyena
289 - Mightyena
290 - Sableye
291 - Sneasel
292 - Weavile
293 - Machop
294 - Machoke
295 - Machamp
296 - Makuhita
297 - Hariyama
298 - Mankey
299 - Primeape
300 - Meditite
301 - Medicham
302 - Riolu
303 - Lucario
304 - Tyrogue
305 - Hitmonlee
306 - Hitmonchan
307 - Hitmontop

308 - Baltoy
309 - Claydol
310 - Cubone
311 - Marowak
312 - Diglett
313 - Dugtrio
314 - Sandshrew
315 - Sandslash
316 - Gligar
317 - Gliscor
318 - Hippopotas
319 - Hippowdon
320 - Phanpy
321 - Donphan
322 - Rhyhorn
323 - Rhydon
324 - Rhyperior
325 - Trapinch
326 - Vibrava
327 - Flygon

328 - Aerodactyl
329 - Anorith
330 - Armaldo
331 - Bonsly
332 - Sudowoodo
333 - Cranidos
334 - Rampardos
335 - Geodude
336 - Graveler
337 - Golem
338 - Kabuto
339 - Kabutops
340 - Larvitar
341 - Pupitar
342 - Tyranitar
343 - Lileep
344 - Cradily
345 - Lunatone
346 - Nosepass
347 - Probopass
348 - Omanyte
349 - Omastar
350 - Onix
351 - Steelix
352 - Shieldon
353 - Bastiodon
354 - Solrock

355 - Aron
356 - Lairon
357 - Aggron
358 - Beldum
359 - Metang
360 - Metagross
361 - Bronzor
362 - Bronzong
363 - Mawile
364 - Skarmory

365 - Chatot
366 - Doduo
367 - Dodrio
368 - Farfetch'd
369 - Hoothoot
370 - Noctowl
371 - Pidgey
372 - Pidgeotto
373 - Pidgeot
374 - Spearow
375 - Fearow
376 - Starly
377 - Staravia
378 - Staraptor
379 - Swablu
380 - Altaria
381 - Taillow
382 - Swellow
383 - Togepi
384 - Togetic
385 - Togekiss
386 - Aipom
387 - Ambipom
388 - Bidoof
389 - Bibarel
390 - Buneary
391 - Lopunny
392 - Castform
393 - Cleffa
394 - Clefairy
395 - Clefable
396 - Ditto
397 - Dunsparce
398 - Eevee

399 - Vaporeon
400 - Jolteon
401 - Flareon
402 - Espeon
403 - Umbreon
404 - Leafeon
405 - Glaceon
406 - Girafarig
407 - Glameow
408 - Purugly
409 - Happiny
410 - Chansey
411 - Blissey
412 - Igglybuff
413 - Jigglypuff
414 - Wigglytuff
415 - Kangaskhan
416 - Kecleon
417 - Lickitung
418 - Lickilicky
419 - Meowth
420 - Persian
421 - Miltank
422 - Munchlax
423 - Snorlax
424 - Porygon
425 - Porygon2
426 - Porygon-Z
427 - Rattata
428 - Raticate
429 - Sentret
430 - Furret
431 - Skitty
432 - Delcatty
433 - Slakoth
434 - Vigoroth
435 - Slaking
436 - Smeargle
437 - Snubbull
438 - Granbull
439 - Spinda
440 - Stantler
441 - Tauros
442 - Teddiursa
443 - Ursaring
444 - Whismur
445 - Loudred
446 - Exploud
447 - Zangoose
448 - Zigzagoon
449 - Linoone

450 - Bagon
451 - Shelgon
452 - Salamence
453 - Dratini
454 - Dragonair
455 - Dragonite
456 - Gible
457 - Gabite
458 - Garchomp

459 - Articuno
460 - Zapdos
461 - Moltres
462 - Lugia
463 - Ho-Oh
464 - Raikou
465 - Entei
466 - Suicune
467 - Regirock
468 - Regice
469 - Registeel
470 - Regigigas
471 - Heatran
472 - Groudon
473 - Kyogre
474 - Rayquaza
475 - Latias
476 - Latios
477 - Dialga
478 - Palkia
479 - Giratina

480 - Uxie
481 - Mesprit
482 - Azelf
483 - Cresselia
484 - Mewtwo
485 - Mew
486 - Jirachi
487 - Deoxys

488 - Phione
489 - Manaphy

490 - Darkrai
491 - Celebi
492 - Shaymin

493 - Arceus

For the sake of easier organisation, I counted all Normal/Flying types as Flying types. Of course, moving the starters to the top of their types wouldn't cause too much disruption, but with them being Alphabetical by lowest-evolutionary relative, it makes a specific Pokémon easier to search for.
 
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I remember another site making something like this, but I can't think of it right now. It was something like The Pokémon Factory. I'll post a link if I find it.

EDIT: It's a Fakémon site, so there are lots of fakes slipped into the ordering, but it's here.
 
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let's just follow the nat dex.
 
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Well, I'm not completely against type ordering, but starters need to be first, and Legendary need to be last. And sorting by type could be a function added to the National Dex, I want an ordering that is similar to the structure of the regional dexes, except on a National level so that it feels more like the regular structure rather than a giant jumbled mess like the regular National Ordering.
 
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Well, I'm not completely against type ordering, but starters need to be first, and Legendary need to be last. And sorting by type could be a function added to the National Dex, I want an ordering that is similar to the structure of the regional dexes, except on a National level so that it feels more like the regular structure rather than a giant jumbled mess like the regular National Ordering.
Then make one yourself? Not hard...just get a list of all the Pokémon and put them together, took me about twenty minutes to do mine (and remember, I had to go through all the types, find out which ones are primary, which ones are secondary, get all evolutionary relatives together...if you use mine as a basis, they're all together).
 
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Yes, I was going to make one by myself, but I posted here to see if anyone wanted to help collaborate.
 
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Yes, I was going to make one by myself, but I posted here to see if anyone wanted to help collaborate.
Im in. Starters first legends last. Then i suggest types in this order: after starters, Normal, Grass, Fire, Water, Bug, Flying. Not sure about the others.
 
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