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Shows like Ben 10 have had more drastic design changes for the same characters though...Well, I guess that's you. For me, his design change is already drastic enough.
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Shows like Ben 10 have had more drastic design changes for the same characters though...Well, I guess that's you. For me, his design change is already drastic enough.
I've never seen Ben 10.Shows like Ben 10 have had more drastic design changes for the same characters though...
I literally can't think of anything more impactful than someone almost giving their life to help me. So, if even something like that can't change his "stubborn mind", I can't think of anything more impactful to change his mind.
No? I don't remember it sacrificing its life for anything in the previous episode.but it already showed these traits in the previous episode
It's exactly what happened in the previous episode.Again, how about having Go actually learn more about Scorbunny's history and, after finding out that it has a similar past to his, he becomes more empathetic towards it
So, instead of the current scenario, you want him to accept Hibunny because 1- he's forced into it, 2- for strictly selfish reasons. How about no?Then, in a later episode, Go somehow gets separated from Ash and Scorbunny and he gets attacked by a Pokémon/group of Pokémon, but, since he hasn't caught a Pokémon yet, he can't defend himself. Scorbunny then comes in and saves him just in time, making Go realize just how stupidly stubborn and dumb of a decision it is to refuse to catch any Pokémon until he finds Mew, leading to him finally accepting Scorbunny as his first Pokémon.
I guess you need to watch it again then?Not to mention that this entire argument runs on the assumption that it getting eaten by Snorlax is the reason why Go changed his mind, which, having just rewatched the episode, isn't even implied to be the case.
No? I don't remember it sacrificing its life for anything in the previous episode.
andScorbunny being willing to help Go to the point of getting eaten shows its loyalty and its dedication to helping Go and it being able to kick a gigantic berry could be considered pretty impressive, but it already showed these traits in the previous episode and even right before it was rejected by Go this episode.
Unless your argument is that Go should catch Scorbunny because it nearly got eaten because of him (not because of what that action tells him about Scorbunny and its character, but just because of the action itself). In which case, that's a very shallow reason.Go already commented on how incredible Scorbunny is in a battle in the Wyndon episode, he already showed some sympathy for it in that same episode, and Scorbunny following Go from Wyndon all the way to the Wild Area showed its determination and desire to be with Go
It's exactly what happened in the previous episode.
So, instead of the current scenario, you want him to accept Hibunny because 1- he's forced into it, 2- for strictly selfish reasons. How about no?
I guess you need to watch it again then?
Neither of those two cases (stealing food and riding a train) were comparable to giving life, so no. And still, none of your "better" scenarios seem anything more impactful to change someone's mind.Okay, I guess you missed the parts where is said that:
What is so shallow about rewarding someone's sacrifice?In which case, that's a very shallow reason.
Hibunny's backstory and reasons are not important, important point is that they're both "odd ones/different ones" tried to fit with others (and failed?). It's obvious from the narrative that Gou seen himself in Hibunny, hence the advice he gave to it.Not really? All he learned is that Scorbunny was leading a pack of Nickit and that it covered its fur in mud in order to blend in with them. We don't know why it decided that it should cover itself in mud, what he did prior to joining the Nickit, whether it tried to befriend other Pokémon but it didn't work because they rejected it and that's why it chose to disguise itself or something like that.
Whole set up is obvious enough, no need to make it more "into face."He doesn't look at the rails or the Snorlax or show any kind of sign that the current crisis is what changed his mind.
Capturing pokémon is "selfish" in the same way that doing your job is "selfish," it's part of being a pokémon trainer. Denying somebody, only to change your mind later because you noticed that they might be useful is exactly what would be shallow.A) Right, because wanting to catch every Pokémon and send them all to a lab in the hopes that that will lead him to Mew is not selfish at all;
B) As if Ash hasn't caught Pokémon for selfish reasons (like a Krabby that he caught because Misty teased him by saying that he didn't actually catch his Pokémon or a Chikorita caught because one of his rivals had one or a Starly so he could have a flyer to help him look for Pikachu or an abandoned Snivy because it stole some of his food and it snickered at him);
Neither of those two cases (stealing food and riding a train) were comparable to giving life, so no.
What is so shallow about rewarding someone's sacrifice?
Hibunny's backstory and reasons are not important, important point is that they're both "odd ones/different ones" tried to fit with others (and failed?). It's obvious from the narrative that Gou seen himself in Hibunny, hence the advice he gave to it.
Whole set up is obvious enough, no need to make it more "into face."
And still, none of your "better" scenarios seem anything more impactful to change someone's mind.
Capturing pokémon is "selfish" in the same way that doing your job is "selfish," it's part of being a pokémon trainer. Denying somebody, only to change your mind later because you noticed that they might be useful is exactly what would be shallow.
Scorbunny needs exp candy to catch up to Pikachu.(God, haven't even realized how that makes him sounds like a psychopathic serial killer)
Difference between Gary and Gou was that Gary loved Pokemon just as much as Ash does whereas to Gou, they're just something to analyze, observe and study (till now). The only Pokemon he's been remotely interested on a personal level before Scorbunny has been Mew. And if that manga still is anything to go by, it seems he'll capture more than Ash and Gary's captures combined.I don't think Gou will look bad if he acts like Gary, who caught a bunch of Pokémon but we're told he rotated them around so he was spending time with them and not just leaving them with his grandpa.
Time will tell what happens.
Scorbunny needs exp candy to catch up to Pikachu.
"She already showed her conviction to helping others by catching that kid's balloon, saving that kid's life doesn't say anything new about her."In the context of this episode, Scorbunny getting eaten doesn't say something about its character that its previous actions haven't already told us or hinted a
Not sure how that's relevant to the point we discussed? Similarity between Gou and Hibunny is already established, more of their backstories will be revealed in the future, probably.Of course backstory and reasoning are important! They are the things that help flesh out the characters (and get the audience invested in them)!
No.Bulbapedia saying that the reason Go caught Scorbunny because he was "impressed by Scorbunny's abilities" kind of proves the contrary, doesn't it
You still didn't give an answer about what is so shallow about that.not that it would be any less shallow
He didn't complately give up on his dream, he still wants to get Mew, only not as his first pokémon, which is never established as that important to him. He simply wasn't interested in training and other pokémon before.it would give Go a more believable reason to abandon a dream that he's had for four years
Or maybe they should explain everything that happens on the screen? Like Dora the Explorer?But it still is just an assumption, as there's nothing in that scene that proves (concretely or not) that that was the reason Go chose Scorbunny over Mew. He doesn't take a look at what Scorbunny accomplished, he's not shown to be having flashbacks to what Scorbunny did for him
He already emphasized with it, in the previous episode. And I highly doubt that they're that similar to each other, other than "not fitting with others" problem.And I can tell you, form personal experience, that when you learn that someone has gone through similar stuff as you, you start to understand and emphasize with them more, which helps strengthen the bond between you.
Since when?Difference between Gary and Gou was that Gary loved Pokemon just as much as Ash
Funny thing about all this talk: None of those are really confirmed yet. He also just helped a pokémon he barely knew by lying that it's his pokémon, which complately contradicts how you just described him.Except that he wants to capture every single Pokémon that has ever been and will be (and he may not stop at one per species, if the manga is any indication), not because he like that kind of Pokémon or because he needs them or because he cares about them or because he bonded with them or because he made a promise to himself to catch that kind of Pokémon, but because he thinks that catching them all will lead him to Mew (or, if we go by the summary, it's because, to him, it feels great to catch them (God, haven't even realized how that makes him sounds like a psychopathic serial killer)). He doesn't care about them or their well being and he's just gonna put them in a ball and probably leave most of them at Sakuragi's lab to gather dust, while he's busy usingthe more popular onesthe ones that he's actually bonded with.
"She already showed her conviction to helping others by catching that kid's balloon, saving that kid's life doesn't say anything new about her."
Not sure how that's relevant to the point we discussed? Similarity between Gou and Hibunny is already established
What a compelling and detailed answer that explains why that's the case.
You still didn't give an answer about what is so shallow about that.
He didn't complately give up on his dream, he still wants to get Mew, only not as his first pokémon, which is never established as that important to him. He simply wasn't interested in training and other pokémon before.
Or maybe they should explain everything that happens on the screen? Like Dora the Explorer?
He already emphasized with it, in the previous episode.
And I highly doubt that they're that similar to each other, other than "not fitting with others" problem.
Funny thing about all this talk: None of those are really confirmed yet.
You unironically used this site's fanwiki as a source, a second time, what else should I say?What a compelling and detailed answer that explains why that's the case.
I said no such thing.(where you said that it should be rewarded for the sacrifice alone, not for why it made said "sacrifice")
"She already showed her conviction to helping others by catching that kid's balloon, saving that kid's life doesn't say anything new about her."Just that said something isn't something new that would warrant Go's reversal, as it being loyal and
It's a good thing then that our discussion isn't founded on the definition of "sacrifice," as point is, Hibunny just put its life in a dangerous situation to help Gou.Last I checked, Scorbunny didn't sacrifice his life to save Go's. Nor was it even trying to sacrifice itself in order to help them, it just happened that it apparently forgot how to jump and/or didn't realize that the fruit
This is a non sequitur.And what I proposed would show that said similarity is even bigger than Go (and the audience) thought it was.
This is the third time I'm using this:Because, as I've already said before, the "sacrifice" doesn't showcase a personality trait of Scorbunny's that Go hasn't seen prior to him rejecting Scorbunny as his first caught Pokémon.
Yeah, I still don't see how that makes Hibunny's "sacrifice" shallow.Because, as I've already said before, the "sacrifice" doesn't showcase a personality trait of Scorbunny's that Go hasn't seen...make the whole thing shallow.
His main goal was always getting Mew, it doesn't matter whether he get it as his first pokémon or not, as point is it was the only pokémon he planned to get.It was well established in the second episode, as well as the recent one, that he wanted Mew as his first Pokémon and no one else, to the point that he outright rejected any other Pokémon as his starter. Also, it was never stated by anyone that he doesn't want
I never said that you say that? Who's doing the strawmanning here?I never said that they're completely similar to each other?
So, Hibunny's "sacrifice" is shallow because Gou already knew its character, but apparently giving them a more similar backstory is enough reason for Gou to change his mind about? Seems hypocritical to me.Not enough to want to catch it and be friends with it, though. Which is why learning more about it and realizing that they both had similar pasts would make him empathize with it more, to the point of changing his mind.
None of those matters? You're literally complaining about things that didn't even happen yet.Right... except for all...
There is nothing ambiguous about it.But, when it comes to a character suddenly makes an important action that leads to them going back on what they previously stated, they should, at the very least, hint at the reason for why that happens. Leaving a plot point and the reasoning behind why said plot point happens ambiguous isn't a great choice, especially when said plot point is integral to the story of a character.
In the end, the show is in this bad place of not doing anything interesting with older material while at the same time not exploring much new material, so what is there to look forward to?