- Jan 15, 2018
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Okay. You're assuming a lot of things here. What I'll say is I believe Phillips could have been incorrect. However, none of what you have posted contradicts Stars having existed. For example, you say none of the new graphics or features were implemented. However, if those graphics were designed at the same time as the switch ones, that would mean they likely weren't usable on 3DS. Really, I think the only difference would be some of the pixellated hand drawn lines you see on Citra HD renders being cleaned up, without much of a difference. Actually, rereading the rumors it specifically says:You're missing my point. The point isn't that they deny the rumor specifically-it's that the timeline for development they gave completely contradicts the timeline Phillips claimed.
Phillip claims Stars was developed during SuMo's development, but Ohmori said USUM was started after the development of SuMo, and that it was developed alongside LGPE. (which he also refers to as the only Switch project)
This article is written after the Eurogamer article, so it's likely that's what it was referring to as "heavily rumored". This article also contradicts Eurogamer, which claimed Stars was the codename, not the unofficial term. I don't understand your inclusion of the second half-isn't Ohmori saying that there's no plans for USUM on Switch more evidence against Stars?
Besides, assuming USUM to be the result of Stars is a huge stretch. There's no mention of any of USUM's new features in Phillips' articles. The only new feature he actually does promise is new graphics, which are totally absent from USUM. So if Stars became USUM, why did it lose all of its new features as Stars and gain entirely new ones that Phillips never knew about, despite being the only person in the know about Stars?
You say later in the post that the point of moving it to the 3DS was to keep it popular-why appealing to Go fans in the hopes of selling a 3DS seem odd? (It's also not a split sequel, they're just alternate stories. Players can play just one out of any of the four Gen 7 games and still understand the story just fine)
Except they did-as Phillips himself puts it:
Except Let's Go was being developed at the same time as USUM.
So either LGPE came after Stars-in which case decisions on Stars shouldn't have been made based on LGPE-or LGPE was being worked at the same time as Stars, in which case there should have been plenty of time to make LGPE shape up in comparison.
So this:Expect the Switch version of Sun and Moon to feature the same map - the same routes and cities - and the same art style, although be built using separate, higher-resolution assets.
is a disingenuous argument.The only new feature he actually does promise is new graphics, which are totally absent from USUM.
As for features, the only specific thing mentioned in the original Stars rumor was the potential for some new Pokemon... Which we got. We also did have new features, like Mantine surfing added.
Now, it is possible that Stars was developed concurrently and the idea for Ultra Sun and Moon came late into Sun and Moon's development. This is because the idea for them could have evolved from the Stars when they switched from 3DS to Switch. I included Ohmori's comments, because he specifically says, "There are [currently] no plans for that in particular." This is not a denial that they never had plans. You are treating Ultra and Stars as the same thing when they are very careful about their wording. You see this a lot in press.
Also you keep saying Ohmori is referring to LGPE when talking about the switch game, yet the only one we knew about at the time was the one announced at E3 2017. One we now know is Pokemon 2019:
So we don't know the time frame on LGPE."The next introduction to its popular core RPG series, which was teased last year at E3, will arrive in late 2019 on Nintendo Switch for the first time," The Pokémon Company said in a statement.
And yes, Pokemon boosted the 3DS lifespan more than those other games, with Monster Hunter Stories selling the best at only 650,000 copies. Pokemon Ultra Sun and Moon sold over 10 times that. I still find them saying they developed it with new GO fans in mind terribly confusing. You're right that you can play any version of them, but that they're called Ultra and are split titles is off-putting to even longterm fans.
The thing is, I don't really care. I shouldn't have used an absolute for a rumor, but I was just using it for a reference to a theory of mine I thought was fun. What you've provided doesn't contradict anything Phillips said if you read what is said. It even sometimes actively works against your thoughts, like the new Pokemon being introduced mid gen. What we have is this:
Phillips says Sun and Moon were developed concurrently with Stars for Switch. It will feature higher resolution assets and have new features including possibly new Pokemon.
Ohmori says Ultra for 3DS started late into the development of Sun and Moon. It has new features and new Pokemon.
None of this is contradictory.