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I've read the first book online, but stopped after that because I would MUCH rather buy actual copies and read them from a physical book. Otherwise the whole experience is just so diminished. I did buy one of the Gold/Silver/Crystal books (13?) at an anime convention, but I'm saving up money so I can just go ahead and buy every book in the series at once from Amazon or some other similar site. Besides, the author doesn't get anything in return if you read it for free.
I have heard only good things about the manga for years and years, and honestly this thread is the very first time I've heard negative things about it. This does not sway my opinion on it though. I really enjoyed reading the first book online, and will wait however long it takes for me to get all the manga books.
I dislike Special a lot.
It's my least favourite part of this entire franchise by far.
It's really not very funny, the characters are cliche, the art can get really low-quality at times during the second artist's run, and it gets so much attention (which it doesn't deserve) that none of the other, much-better, manga get any recognition.
I respect your thoughts but if you think Pokemon Special is bad, then you probably hate the Pokemon Anime. It has cliches beyond cliches and they're barely done well. At least Special doesn't have a repetitive plot with bland CoTDs each story and an annoying trio of criminals that trail the Main Character(s) all the time.
Plus, people have legit reasons for liking the series.
The anime does so much stuff better, though. Better battles, better teams, better fanbase, better humour, better Pokemon interactions (believe it or not, the franchise is about Pokemon), better art, better captures, better rivals, not to mention it can actually create original characters instead of ripping them off of Gamefreak like Kasuka and Yamamoto...I could go on for a while.
The anime does so much stuff better, though. Better battles, better teams, better fanbase, better humour, better Pokemon interactions (believe it or not, the franchise is about Pokemon), better art, better captures, better rivals, not to mention it can actually create original characters instead of ripping them off of Gamefreak like Kasuka and Yamamoto...I could go on for a while.
The anime does so much stuff better, though. Better battles, better teams, better fanbase, better humour, better Pokemon interactions (believe it or not, the franchise is about Pokemon), better art, better captures, better rivals, not to mention it can actually create original characters instead of ripping them off of Gamefreak like Kasuka and Yamamoto...I could go on for a while.
The anime does so much stuff better, though. Better battles, better teams, better fanbase, better humour, better Pokemon interactions (believe it or not, the franchise is about Pokemon), better art, better captures, better rivals, not to mention it can actually create original characters instead of ripping them off of Gamefreak like Kasuka and Yamamoto...I could go on for a while.
And Special's characters aren't? Please.I sorta disagree to an extend but the Anime does entertain me oftenly. And yeah, I admit that the Pokemon are better portrayed in the Anime than in Special (though the games don't show them with real personalities like in the Anime so I see where Special got the idea) and the battles are cool, especially in later episodes of AG, DP and BW. However, it can get really repetitive and annoying to me. The characters are sometimes and often two-dimensional,
Ash has won 2 leagues, thank you very much, and the same can clearly go for the manga.it repeats story ideas to the point that they're ripping off themselves, Team Rocket is annoying before BW where they're just bland, the other evil teams are barely featured like in the games (which I HATE), Ash and his friends are never shown reaching their goals any time soon, Ash is still ten and hasn't won a single league and there's so much more wrong with the show that we'd be hear all year discussing it.
Also, Kusaka "rips off" from GameFreak because he's making a Pokemon Manga based on the main series games so naturally, they'd have the characters from GameFreak's Pokemon games. DUH! And I imagine Nintendo and GameFreak gives Kusaka permission to use their characters and concepts.
Also, Kusaka DOES make original characters like Green, Yellow, Emerald and other characters who don't appear in the games.
P.S. The fanbase for the Pokemon Anime are like any fanbase: Unpleaseable, demanding and more. Same with the Pokemon Manga fanbase and every other fanbase. No fanbase is perfect.
Kameinu said:And it can shaft/ignore characters horribly. That's one thing I actually appreciate about Special that the anime severely lacks. Special actually respects continuity and doesn't shaft game characters (however small) in favour of COTD's.
So you like original characters, do you? I'll bet you greatly enjoy the fact that the recreants of Ass's crew are all either based upon player characters or NPCs, that these so-called original characters, regardless of their origins or order and frequency of appearance, are all shallow as crap, the "humor" is dated beyond words to the point that some daresay that had it better the first 90 episodes than currently, and after over 700 episodes not one of Ass and his companions have reached any of their goals save the mission to change their wardrobe every time a "new" series comes up.
Oh, and better art? Yamamoto is far from the ideal manga artist in favor of godly figures like Miura, Urasawa, Katsura, Inoue, or Nihei (and hell, even Iwaaki and his super-awesome story that the art can't compete with), and despite favoring Mato I can't find real qualities in her that I can really label god-class, but the crappytastic, "meh" animation in a show my online anime buddies and I label pseudo-anime (either that or "disgrace to all that is animated") coming close to even their ability to detail out and distinguish characters from one another through actual features not found on the games can teach you your folly should you even glimpse at as far as volume three.
I'm sorry, but when you open your post with "I really, really dislike this" and list biased reasons such as these (the funniest of them complaining about game characters appearing in a game-based manga), you lose any points left to try and be taken seriously. Runner-up would be "better captures," quite the hypocritical post to make when after Ass's gone through 5 regions, one of which he traveled through twice, he hasn't caught a tenth of the known Pokemon up to this generation (even with his multiple starters and the fact that his show's been running for a teenager's lifespan), a feat which you're expected to achieve before even getting the National Pokedex on certain games. Also, Paul and Gary are the cheapest rivals yet, and the fact that they've even kept them from fighting in the finals of any league just shows how much Green has over them in any department. Also, wasn't being truthful to the games a good thing?
Seriously man, I mean no offense, but you make no sense. I don't even like, say, Super Effective, and can find no feasible reason as to why you'd be as harshly critical of it as you are, and yet prefer the anime of all things. If they even matured slightly through the hundreds upon hundreds of episodes they've wasted helping out CODs, you might have a bit more of a point, but as you are now, a certain person on the first page has much to teach you in the realm of criticism
And Special's characters aren't? Please.
Ash has won 2 leagues, thank you very much, and the same can clearly go for the manga.
And here you go amok again assuming just because Special tends to rely mostly on its interpretations of major game characters, it hasn't seen one "original" character you won't despise. It's harder for a long-running monthly manga to go around introducing as many CODs as weekly series for the pace it's set itself on, and not only are there major protagonists that weren't found in the games, multiple friends and acquaintances of theirs, as well as parents, were all exclusive to this manga. Plus, better have major NPCs appear than to treat them like anime!Bill or the majority of the Kanto gym leaders, no? (I won't add Orange leaders as they were all nuisances to deal with while Game Freak developed Gold and Silver; even I won't knock them for that one.)There are plenty of Pokemon Manga that make up their own characters. For main series game adaptions, I give you Pokemon BW: Good Partners, and Pokemon Battle Frontier.
Oh boy, three characters! It's not like the anime hasn't made, I don't know, dozens of important original characters. Not to mention, Green was based off of concept art of a female player character during the RBG age.
Sure, people who have little more to defend their favorite 3rd grader's show with other than ratings on a children-under-7-heavy block or keep insisting that because new viewers (if there are any that would subject themselves to that) have no f-ing clue what's going on on the show, they're entitled to make rip-off personalities of the past female Ass's traveled with despite old and antiquated-as-hell plot devices and Pokemon disposed of already appear in every league and occasionally a gym battle.The Pokemon Adventures fandom is the worst of the franchise, though.
What, and Special's characters aren't shallow? They're all generic cookie-cutters anyway; at least the anime had some guts to put out some OCs once in a while.
Mhm, and Special is just a comedy goldmine, ammirite?
It doesn't happen nearly as much as you say. He's done other manga, one of which can be found (only in cover form, though) even on the Netkun website. It looks exactly the same panel for panel to me, and even the cover, as I said, looks just like his take on Special. You're overexaggerating.The thing about the anime's art is that, even though the animation might not be god-level, it's consistent. Yamamoto has the effect habit of changing what a character's face looks like every other panel. I must admit I did like Mato's art, though. It was cute.
Snorlax was caught near one of its game locations, and it was pulled off rather humorously. Red also obviously bonded with each and every one of his Pokemon, if Pika's willingness to be hit by a FireBlast for Red's master plan in the Indigo League to work, and the entire Yellow arc for which he has nightmares of his repressed memories of Red's defeat, is of any indication.Quality =/= quantity. I'm referring to cases like Chimchar, where we had an entire arc devoted to that one Pokemon, whereas you have filler-chapter captures like Red's Snorlax in Adventures.
Green actually had a reason for his cockiness; he'd trained since early childhood with Chuck and had been gritting his teeth to prove himself as a great not for being Oak's grandson, but by attaining things no other trainer has. Of course when he returns to Pallet he'd look down upon a country hick like Red. But hey, they absorbed each other's wits and talents and finally squared off in the Pokemon League, that's something.Green is horribly generic. At least Paul has a complex over trying to prove himself that makes him an asshole. Green had no reasoning to be such a jerk, other than Anime Rival Syndrome.
So the game!Red fought Giovanni in the ruins of Viridian Gym and squared off with Mewtwo before that? And where exactly was the Yellow arc in all of this in the games? You're being opinionated again. Even the GSC arc had is discrepancies with its counterpart games. Better that than Ass never coming across Giovanni save in a special or something and ending up completely ineffectual in the process. Was the super-exciting Silph Co. battle ever featured in the show? Your argument can easily backfire there, boyo.There's a difference between being truthful and being overly dependant. The anime takes elements from the games, and puts its own spin on them, and sure it maybe leaves a thing out or two, but Special seems to follow the plot exactly at times. It can never put its own take on things. You're basically reading the game, and what's the fun in that?
Red entered the series as an overconfident kid who thought because he knew no defeat in Pallet, nobody ever could. He's even lost his share of battles himself, and learned much more in 3 volumes than Ass has in 3 series. Also, you ever see him being reset and rehashed every "New Beginning" and ending up no farther than he was last? That's progress. He's even had a severe depression and being left for the dead in a cage of ice to deal with. Ass's exploits, by comparison, is kitty fluffy paradise.Are you actually going to bring up characters maturing as a point...?
Ash matured from an arrogant dickbag into a pretty polite dude who can just get a little excitable, but is still a competent battler and strategist.
For less-promient stuff, Dawn learned in the course of her run that she has to be able to deal with losses in her life, Paul learned some humility, and Brock decided to change his life goal.
Love for one aspect of a franchise is no reason to go around posting fallacious criticisms nobody's taken seriously in the last thread. People will like what they like, so while I may ridicule the show's immature fanbase for fun, I certainly don't resort to the same in an argument I start.Am I coming across as that guy? I really don't wanna be that guy. I want people to know that I love this franchise, which is why I'm so opinionated about it.
And Special's characters aren't? Please.
Ash has won 2 leagues, thank you very much, and the same can clearly go for the manga.
There are plenty of Pokemon Manga that make up their own characters. For main series game adaptions, I give you Pokemon BW: Good Partners, and Pokemon Battle Frontier.
Oh boy, three characters! It's not like the anime hasn't made, I don't know, dozens of important original characters. Not to mention, Green was based off of concept art of a female player character during the RBG age.
I somewhat agree.The Pokemon Adventures fandom is the worst of the franchise, though.
They tend to make everything evil..Yeah, they just make those characters evil.
I somewhat agree.What, and Special's characters aren't shallow? They're all generic cookie-cutters anyway; at least the anime had some guts to put out some OCs once in a while.
Mhm, and Special is just a comedy goldmine, ammirite?
Is Ash a Pokemon Master?Is Blue Oak a League Champion? Is Ruby a Contest champion? Are Diamond and Pearl famous comedians?
Consistent? Look at the first few episodes of Best Wishes and compare them to now. Ash and Giovanni are two good examples of inconsitency.The thing about the anime's art is that, even though the animation might not be god-level, it's consistent. Yamamoto has the effect habit of changing what a character's face looks like every other panel. I must admit I did like Mato's art, though. It was cute.
The anime is all quantity>quality. Why is it so horrible in handling it's characters? Why can't they come up with a valid reason to explain Ash no progressing?Quality =/= quantity.
Rare cases.I'm referring to cases like Chimchar, where we had an entire arc devoted to that one Pokemon, whereas you have filler-chapter captures like Red's Snorlax in Adventures.
Didn't Green have a rather tough up upbringing? I'd probly be a jerk too if I had a tough childhood and was only 11.Green is horribly generic. At least Paul has a complex over trying to prove himself that makes him an asshole. Green had no reasoning to be such a jerk, other than Anime Rival Syndrome.
There's a difference between being truthful and being overly dependant. The anime takes elements from the games, and puts its own spin on them, and sure it maybe leaves a thing out or two, but Special seems to follow the plot exactly at times. It can never put its own take on things. You're basically reading the game, and what's the fun in that?
And Ash's growth was flushed down the toilet come Best Wishes. Brock spent over 400 episodes wishing to become a breeder, and nearing his final 20 suddenly decides to change goals, and we'll most likely never see him again.Are you actually going to bring up characters maturing as a point...?
Ash matured from an arrogant dickbag into a pretty polite dude who can just get a little excitable, but is still a competent battler and strategist.
For less-promient stuff, Dawn learned in the course of her run that she has to be able to deal with losses in her life, Paul learned some humility, and Brock decided to change his life goal.
Am I coming across as that guy? I really don't wanna be that guy. I want people to know that I love this franchise, which is why I'm so opinionated about it.