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Contest Physical-Fire Wars: Emboar, Darmanitan, and Arcanine

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OK, here we go.

In one corner, we have Arcanine, the original Physical FireFighter. Known for his ExtremeSpeed and fluffy fur, and he's also got good recovery in Morning Sun. If a Water-Type comes his way, he just Wild Charges him. Rock-types coming to ruin his fun? They get kicked in the face by his Close Combat. Of course, his typing makes him weak to Stealth Rock, but hey, it's all good for him.

Next up is Emboar, quite literally a Mega Fire Pig. He's got a giant, fiery beard, and the ability to spit out boiling-hot water. His movepool isn't too shabby, having Wild Charge, Stone Edge, Scald, and Earthquake. Don't forget his high HP, since that (slightly) helps make up for his poor defenses. A low speed doesn't help, either, but give it a Choice Scarf and he'll do just fine.

Lastly, we have Darmanitan, a round, fat,......THING. Anyway, the first thing you should know about him is his gigantic 140 Attack. He also has pretty good speed, enabling him to get the jump on slower 'Mons. Normally, his base 55 defenses would be a bad thing, but if his health is under 50%, he enters his Zen mode, where his defenses just about double. Good luck taking him out then.

So, in this war, each is pretty evenly matched up. The question is,
  • Who has the better movepool?
  • Who has the better design?
  • Who would actually win?
  • Who do YOU prefer?

Personally, I'm going with Emboar. Helped me out a bit in that WiFi comp, and he's more than able to fend for himself.

Alright, your turn.
 
1. Emboar has the better movepool no doubt; other fire types would OHKO someone to get their hands on Scald.

2. Arcanine, he looks so majestic.

3. Darmanitan, EQ + base 140 attack = Down with Emboar and Arcanine.

4. Darmanitan, U-Turn makes great use for switching out. Arcanine lacks EQ as an alternative for Close Combat, and Emboar's low speed cripples him (Flame Charge needs an upgrade next gen).

BTW, where's Flareon and Blaziken in all of this?
 
Rapidash, Flareon, Blaziken and Infernape are sad for being left out.

Anyway, the best option is probably Darmanitan. However, my favorite option here is Arcanine. Emboar, I'm ambivalent about. Maybe I'll change my mind when I train one.
 
1. While Arcanine's movepool did get quite a boost in gen V, I'd have to say Emboar takes the cake.

2. Design, Arcanine. I guess partly because I grew up with it and always thought it looked cool. The other two just don't really impress me much.

3. Hm... I dunno who would win really. Probably Darminitan just because it's so fast and strong.

4. My favorite is Arcanine, for the reasons listed in number 2.
 
Arcanine, He's way more balenced. his Stat spread (90/110/80/100/80/95) are a lot better the Emboar's (110/123/65/100/65/65) Better Atk and Tied SAtk is good but his mediocre Def/SDef/Speed makes it useless Arcanine will always hit first and has a high chance of OHKO'ing Emboar. Darmanitan is even worse (105/140/55/30/55/95) His attack his stellar and his HP is a bit higher but being frialer then Emboar and having one of the worst SAtk stats out there cripples him. Like Emboar he can be Ko'ed quickly because I don't see him shaking off a Extreemspeed from Arcanine which is the best priotirty move in the game which Arcanine uses with terrfying efficancy

Emboar is coll but has the worst Stat of the 3. Darmantan is awesome and his Atk is lethal but his other stats suffer. This would how a battle would go... Arcanine uses Bulldoze Embaor faints. Darmanitan uses EQ Arcanine is holding an Air Ballon. Arcanine use ES Darmanitan is holding a Focus-Sash Arcanine uses ES again Darmanitan fainted...
 
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Arcanine, He's way more balenced. his Stat spread (90/110/80/100/80/95) are a lot better the Emboar's (110/123/65/100/65/65) Better Atk and Tied SAtk is good but his mediocre Def/SDef/Speed makes it useless Arcanine will always hit first and has a high chance of OHKO'ing Emboar. Darmanitan is even worse (105/140/55/30/55/95) His attack his stellar and his HP is a bit higher but being frialer then Emboar and having one of the worst SAtk stats out there cripples him. Like Emboar he can be Ko'ed quickly because I don't see him shaking off a Extreemspeed from Arcanine which is the best priotirty move in the game which Arcanine uses with terrfying efficancy

Emboar is coll but has the worst Stat of the 3. Darmantan is awesome and his Atk is lethal but his other stats suffer. This would how a battle would go... Arcanine uses Bulldoze Embaor faints. Darmanitan uses EQ Arcanine is holding an Air Ballon. Arcanine use ES Darmanitan is holding a Focus-Sash Arcanine uses ES again Darmanitan fainted...

There are a few problems with your statements.

Both Emboar and Darmanitan have decent HP, so one Extremespeed from Arcanine will not fully OHKO them since normal moves have no benefits. They'll soon retaliate with Earthquake thus leaving one dead Arcanine, and no one would ever use Balloon for him since that item is more beneficial for Heatran and Magnezone. The only way for Arcanine to even land a successful KO on either of them is if he had Earthquake as well (Bulldoze doesn't cut it due to its low BP, which they'll also survive from).
 
There are a few problems with your statements.

Not True I looked at a Damage Calcutlator assuming Arcanine has a positive ability and a Pure Attack EV range and Emboar as a Defensivly Nuetral (which 99.9% of the time he is who would use a defensive Emboar?) Bulldoze hits at an outstandingly high 472-560 damage LO boasted damage against N Def Emboar with a Nuetral ability which is a guarenteed OHKO so yeah... Arcanine easily takes Emboar out with a single Bulldoze


252Atk Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Darmanitan (+Def): 42% - 50% (176 - 208 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.





252Atk Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Darmanitan (+Def): 64% - 76% (268 - 316 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

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252Atk Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 57% - 67% (244 - 288 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 37% - 44% (160 - 190 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.





252Atk Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Leftovers Emboar (Neutral): 66% - 79% (242 - 286 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Leftovers Emboar (Neutral): 86% - 102% (314 - 370 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 14% chance to OHKO.





252Atk Life Orb Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 49% - 58% (208 - 246 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. 16% chance to 2HKO with Leftovers.





252Atk Life Orb Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Leftovers Emboar (Neutral): 86% - 102% (314 - 370 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 14% chance to OHKO.





252Atk Life Orb Arcanine (Neutral) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Leftovers Emboar (Neutral): 79% - 93% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Arcanine (Neutral) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (Neutral): 61% - 72% (222 - 262 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Arcanine (Neutral) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (Neutral): 61% - 72% (222 - 262 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Reckless Emboar (+Atk) crit Earthquake vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Flash Fire Arcanine (+Def): 129% - 154% (496 - 592 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.





252Atk Life Orb Reckless Emboar (Neutral) crit Earthquake vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Flash Fire Arcanine (+Def): 118% - 140% (456 - 540 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.





252Atk Reckless Emboar (Neutral) crit Earthquake vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Flash Fire Arcanine (+Def): 91% - 108% (352 - 416 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 50% chance to OHKO.





0Atk Reckless Emboar (Neutral) crit Earthquake vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Flash Fire Arcanine (+Def): 75% - 88% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





0Atk Reckless Emboar (Neutral) crit Earthquake vs 252HP/252Def Air Balloon Flash Fire Arcanine (+Def): 0% - 0% (0 - 0 HP).





252Atk Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 61% - 72% (222 - 262 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 79% - 93% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 79% - 93% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 79% - 93% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 79% - 93% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 79% - 93% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (Neutral): 86% - 102% (314 - 370 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 14% chance to OHKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (Neutral): 130% - 154% (472 - 560 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 74% - 87% (316 - 372 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 4HP/0Def Leftovers Emboar (Neutral): 130% - 154% (472 - 560 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 74% - 87% (316 - 372 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 74% - 87% (316 - 372 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 4HP/0Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 118% - 140% (428 - 508 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.


Here's the results if you don't believe me... A Crit Hit Bulldoze from an Offensive Arcanine wipes Emboar out
 
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There are a few problems with your statements.

Not True I looked at a Damage Calcutlator assuming Arcanine has a positive ability and a Pure Attack EV range and Emboar as a Defensivly Nuetral (which 99.9% of the time he is who would use a defensive Emboar?) Bulldoze hits at an outstandingly high 472-560 damage LO boasted damage against N Def Emboar with a Nuetral ability which is a guarenteed OHKO so yeah... Arcanine easily takes Emboar out with a single Bulldoze


252Atk Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Darmanitan (+Def): 42% - 50% (176 - 208 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.





252Atk Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Darmanitan (+Def): 64% - 76% (268 - 316 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

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252Atk Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 57% - 67% (244 - 288 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 37% - 44% (160 - 190 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.





252Atk Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Leftovers Emboar (Neutral): 66% - 79% (242 - 286 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Leftovers Emboar (Neutral): 86% - 102% (314 - 370 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 14% chance to OHKO.





252Atk Life Orb Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 49% - 58% (208 - 246 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. 16% chance to 2HKO with Leftovers.





252Atk Life Orb Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Leftovers Emboar (Neutral): 86% - 102% (314 - 370 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 14% chance to OHKO.





252Atk Life Orb Arcanine (Neutral) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Leftovers Emboar (Neutral): 79% - 93% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Arcanine (Neutral) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (Neutral): 61% - 72% (222 - 262 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Arcanine (Neutral) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (Neutral): 61% - 72% (222 - 262 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Reckless Emboar (+Atk) crit Earthquake vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Flash Fire Arcanine (+Def): 129% - 154% (496 - 592 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.





252Atk Life Orb Reckless Emboar (Neutral) crit Earthquake vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Flash Fire Arcanine (+Def): 118% - 140% (456 - 540 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.





252Atk Reckless Emboar (Neutral) crit Earthquake vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Flash Fire Arcanine (+Def): 91% - 108% (352 - 416 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 50% chance to OHKO.





0Atk Reckless Emboar (Neutral) crit Earthquake vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Flash Fire Arcanine (+Def): 75% - 88% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





0Atk Reckless Emboar (Neutral) crit Earthquake vs 252HP/252Def Air Balloon Flash Fire Arcanine (+Def): 0% - 0% (0 - 0 HP).





252Atk Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 61% - 72% (222 - 262 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 79% - 93% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 79% - 93% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 79% - 93% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 79% - 93% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 79% - 93% (288 - 340 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (Neutral): 86% - 102% (314 - 370 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 14% chance to OHKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 4HP/0Def Emboar (Neutral): 130% - 154% (472 - 560 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 74% - 87% (316 - 372 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 4HP/0Def Leftovers Emboar (Neutral): 130% - 154% (472 - 560 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 74% - 87% (316 - 372 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 252HP/252Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 74% - 87% (316 - 372 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.





252Atk Life Orb Flash Fire Arcanine (+Atk) crit Bulldoze vs 4HP/0Def Leftovers Emboar (+Def): 118% - 140% (428 - 508 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.


Here's the results if you don't believe me... A Crit Hit Bulldoze from an Offensive Arcanine wipes Emboar out

Drat, I almost forgot that Arcanine has Intimidate, which lowers their defenses. Are there any results of that?
 
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1. Arcanine. Extreme Speed, Close Combat, Morning Sun, Crunch and Thunder Fang give it the edge.

2. Arcanine again. Emboar's design is a cluttered mess, whilst Darmanitan looks too basic. Arcanine is easily the most impressive.

3. Tough to say. Darmanitan and Emboar can do terrible damage to the other two with Earthquake, but Arcanine has Intimidate to soften the blow and Extreme Speed to give it the upper hand in a pinch. I'll go with Darmanitan due to its sky high attack.

4. Darmanitan. 140 base attack and a horrifyingly strong Flare Blitz with Sheer Force, Life Orb and Sunny Day in effect. I simply can't resist that.
 
Drat, I almost forgot that Arcanine has Intimidate, which lowers their defenses. Are there any results of that?

It lowers attack but still... The calculator thing I used didn't have intimdate... but it would drasticly reduce Emboar's attack so it would soften EQ quite a bit... Emboar is ust outmatched by Arcanine. hgh HP wasted on tissue-paper defense and slow as hell... and All of Darmanitan's stats sans Atk and Speed are lackluster and he's even frialer then Emboar AND has lower HP
 
^ Yet Darmanitan is used more often than Arcanine for better move choices.

I'd say it's the 140 base attack, personally.

* Who has the better movepool?
They're all pretty similar, so I'm calling it a draw.
* Who has the better design?
Umm, I like Darm's crazy grin, but generally Arcanine's is better. It's just incredibly cool.
* Who would actually win?
Darm + HUGE attack + Band is crazy, but it's really frail. Arcanine + Intimidate, probably. Extremespeed would do a number on ScarfDarm. Emboar I'm not sure on because I've never used one. I'll go with Arcy.
* Who do YOU prefer?
Arcanine. Probably just because of the nostalgia from using one in Gen I all that time ago. It's still epic, too.
 
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^ Yet Darmanitan is used more often than Arcanine for better move choices.

Not really... Darmanitan is used for his high Atk... he can't take a hit and his SAtk is laughable unless he is in Daruma Mode... Arcanine has very good bulk plus Intimidate and Extremespeed might not OHKO Darmanitan but can probibly 2shot him... and Embaor is completly outclassed by Arcanine better bulk better ad speed
 
After much thoughtful deliberation, I can finally say my answer is darmanitan. Its excellent speed and attack definitely give it an edge in battle.
Although, I must say infernape would own them all.
 
If I have to choose between those three only, then I'd say Arcanine because of it's beautiful design.

But seriously, I prefer Typhlosion XDD
 
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