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"Pocket Monsters Best Wishes" - coming this fall!

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Cybersai

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Lies, the DP main cast was just as good as previous ones and their interactions made sense perfectly The young competitive girl and young competitive boy acting like brother/sister best friends, while the older and more mature guy acting like a big brother to both of them

While Ash and Dawn had some nice moments, overall I found the DP trio very boring. It lacked individual funny moments as a group that the previous groups had, and Brock was the most disconnected this arc of any previous. Even the Ash/Brock friendship was handled badly in DP, let alone the "associate" interaction he had with Dawn.

This was the first group of the anime I honestly thought didn't have chemistry together. Since BW introduces two new characters, most likely the writers thought of an Iris/Dento dynamic from the beginning to make it interesting.

I doubt the DP trio as a group will go down in history as anything special.
 

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I would have to disagree with you Scott. How is the way Dawn and Brock different than May and Brock, besides the fact that May and Brock battled in a contest?

Personally, I loved the trio's dynamic, simply because it wasn't too over the top and unrealistic. Not all the main characters that travel together will have intense relationships. Also, Ash is the main focus, so it is always going to be known that the majority of close relationships revolve around him.

Yes, I personally enjoyed Misty and Brock's friendship as well as May and Max, but not all friendships need to be like that. Personally, I love the DP trio, because nothing felt forced.
 

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Personally, I loved the trio's dynamic, simply because it wasn't too over the top and unrealistic. Not all the main characters that travel together will have intense relationships. Also, Ash is the main focus, so it is always going to be known that the majority of close relationships revolve around him.

It didn't have to be so incredibly dull either. To each their own I guess, but I never thought the DP trio actually felt like a real group of friends. It was so forced and artificial.

I can't think of any funny moments the DP trio had as a group. What were they?
 

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Brock said a couple of things here and there during Dawn's contests, and even Ash and Brock had some moments here and there.

Dawn and Ash's friendships overshadowed Brock and Dawn's, which is fine, because it was expected.

I do like the new trio, Kento and Iris are adorable and awesome. I'm happy to see another person of color on the main cast.
 

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It's only because of Brock. Don't know why the hell Brock was with Dawn 200 episodes without doing with her something.
 

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Scott, you're saying such ridiculous excuses... you're really making a joke of yourself, none of the groups really any deep/special interactions at all =\ never...
All groups had their better and worse thing, and everyone can like whatever they want, so stop posting your ridiculous opinion as a fact and try to act as if everyone agree since that's clearly not the case

Also, my last reply was supposed to include another part, but I wrote it in new window and forgot to copy paste it before I sent my post... so here it is:
If they kept Dento after BW, he'd just turn into Brock 2.0

No, every character is a character by their own and should never be compared to any other character - anyone who compares characters is just ridiculous, as you proved to us 35325623 times with your ridiculous posts
Just because he's a Gym Leader and seems to be the smart of the group, doesn't automatically make him a "Brock clone", not even if he'll stay for next gens (which I doubt, especially since it seems like Iris and Dento represent Black and White and their mascot/theme)

and everyone would complain about him.

Here we go again, Scott = everyone!

I think people will get tired of Iris after 200 episodes too, so changing her up will be expected.

That's not the reason for characters being replaced, otherwise Ash / Brock / TRio wouldn't be here right now
They do whatever they want, it's as simple as that... there's absolutely no way at all to speculate who will stay or leave eventually (which is extremely stupid to even think about when the series didn't even start yet) though logic says they'll replace both of Ash's friends every series now with new characters from the new games or anime characters that represent stuff of these games
 

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Ash and TR stay until whenever the show finally ends because Ash is the main character, and the writers probably don't know how to cause conflict in an episode if TR were gone.

Brock staying as long as he did was a rarity. They didn't replace him for AG because he rounded up the group well, but it feels like the writers regret bringing Brock into DP to be honest.

I think at the beginning they thought Croagunk could rejevuenate his character, but as DP progressed they really did give up on him. Most of his "fillers" like the Miltanke Cafe, Electrike episode, etc. all happened in early/mid DP.

I think Brock got no episodes in the second half of DP at all, besides battling that Cherubi girl and the role in the Galactic finale.
 

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It'd be nice if they actually don't really like each other and argue due to being so different, [..] During the time they won't get along, Ash will be there to stop their arguing and prove how mature he himself is...

I think that'd be awful, I know I wouldn't want to see the group arguing for 100+ episodes.

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Dawn and Ash's friendships overshadowed Brock and Dawn's, which is fine, because it was expected.

Yeah, you could've clipped Takeshi out of 1/2 of the stuff in DP (excluding the Galaxy Gang stuff) and nothing would've remotely changed.
 

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I love the idea of Iris and Dento hating each other. I can see them having totally contrasting personalities.
 

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Ash and TR stay until whenever the show finally ends because Ash is the main character, and the writers probably don't know how to cause conflict in an episode if TR were gone.

That doesn't change the fact they stay after being here for so long, which together with Brock, proves that's not the reason they replace characters
They do whatever they want and as time goes on, they take the games more and more seriously (Johto added nothing from games to main cast, Hoenn added the heroine, Sinnoh added the heroine and gave Ash an outfit based on the hero, BW give Ash the hero's exact clothe and adds a Gym Leader + Iris who might be based on game character or at least represent Black)

They didn't replace him for AG because he rounded up the group well

LOL no, he only made Ash's maturity and mentor role to May/Max seem pointless... and he did nothing most of the time
AG should've been Ash, May and Max

but it feels like the writers regret bringing Brock into DP to be honest.

I feel like they're happy to do whatever they want and don't regret anything
I doubt they're overanalyzing stuff in a sick way like you
It's a cartoon - watch, enjoy and stfu... seriously

as DP progressed they really did give up on him. Most of his "fillers" like the Miltanke Cafe, Electrike episode, etc. all happened in early/mid DP.

There's the Pachi sick ep, the influence he had on the Mamoswine ep (which is actually big influence on both Dawn's and Mamoswine's character), the Ditto ep, the Marley ep, his upcoming ep, and I'm sure there's at least one or two more eps that had him do something
He got just about the right screen time a sidekick should get... you're simply bored of him so it looks like he didn't do much, but he did as much as a sidekick is supposed to

role in the Galactic finale.

That's a big important role that no other series gave to him... he was treated as equal to Ash and Dawn in the whole Galactic plot (and I mean whole Galactic plot, not just the final - with the Croagunk/Toxicroak rivalry, his connection to Uxie, battling TG in various eps, etc)

Brock was better in DP than in AG, at least to me...
 

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No, her mother did. Brock only made her Hearthome Collection clothes.

Sorry, that's what I meant. Slip up on wording.
Anyway, I'm sure that proves something between them! In that episode Brock came to speak to Dawn alone, and they had interactions aswell in that episode. In the Marley episode Dawn was worried about Brock. In many episodes they speak together and interact. The mamoswine flashback is an example.
 

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It didn't have to be so incredibly dull either. To each their own I guess, but I never thought the DP trio actually felt like a real group of friends. It was so forced and artificial.

I can't think of any funny moments the DP trio had as a group. What were they?
I used to say those exact bolded words over at the ol' Serebii joint. You are stealing. Theif. Swindler. Meanie.

In any case, I'd have to say I agree with this standpoint. Brock and Dawn's friendship always seemed to be fair game when it came to critisism, but I never really understood all the hubbub over Dawn and Ash's constant encouragement volley. To each one's own, I suppose.


Yeah. In any case, I'm not sure if I expressed this previously, but I really dig the whole 'when worlds collide' angle a lot of you folk are speculating concerning Dento and Iris. That's something I'd really like them go all out on. Throw in some predictable Freaky Friday mojo and there's an instant winner.
But y'know, I'm really hoping for these two to have personallities that really go well together (and apart) for entertainment's sake, regardless of how they decide to handle it. I know it's never safe to judge a book by it's cover, but just going by appearences alone, these look like the sort of guys who could end up making me care about the protagonists once more.
 

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Dawn and Ash's "No need to worry!" thing got really old really fast. That might be the only thing I'm not going to miss about Dawn.
 

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I do agree with Pipulp, Brock should have been out in AG I loved it in the begining seeing Ash mentor May without Brock and kind of Max for the bit. Than Brock came bouncing back, thank goodness Brock won't be in this series makes me wonder how Ash character will be like without him. Will Ash be like a mentor to Dento and Iris? Probaly not Dento, since he's a gym leader and knows more about Pokemon in that region. Will Dento be a mentor like to Ash? It'd be funny, Dento mentor to Ash, Ash mentor to Iris or maybe both will be mentors to Ash? But than it'd be like Kanto. Its hard to say what Ash character will be this time.
 

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So apparently the title of the Naruto Shippuuden episode that airs on September 16 has been revealed today, and it does not seem like it's an 1 hour special. That means the info about the BW series starting on Sep 23 because of a Naruto special on Sep 16 is wrong.
 

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Even though all odds are against it, I'm betting Brock is going to turn back up after 5~10 episodes or so.

He's just too cool to not be on the show.
 

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Well, he might appear for two or three episodes but that's about all I see this series.
 
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