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I think that the most likely old companions to return are Brock and Misty for nostalgia reasons and Dawn to promote Sinnoh remakes, which are likely to happen.
 
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If they're afraid of kids feeling lost during two-parters, why would they bring back a lot of characters from many years ago that require re-introduction? They want maximum accessibility.
Then compounding the problem isn't going to make things any better. If the new Pokemon (not necessarily new species) are showcased often, then the kids will warm up to them quickly even if they missed some episodes. This could only work for a handful of reserves and they don't even seem to be doing that with Bulbasaur.
Are you seriously still hung up on reboot or lack of continuity? You pretty much contradicted yourself with "maximum accessibility" which also includes older series fans (which is what the intend this series to be). They showcased quite a lot of Ash's older Pokemon in the Kanto visit episodes, I don't recall any complaints or confusion regarding those two. In fact, those two were received very positively among the community.

And as to the difference between past characters/reserves returning and them avoiding longer arcs now, there's a big difference between the two. Past characters (including reserves) are pretty much that, characters. They're dynamic and they can be re-introduced at any point with little flashbacks or retelling... and they can be further developed if needed. Story arcs on the other hand form the plot that can stagnate if drawn out too long, or if they are not connected to the overarching story properly (see the sudden jumping between multiple arcs in BW). And unlike characters, recapping the events of story arcs will result in redundancy and wastage of screentime.

The interview does make it sound like self-contained stories with longer term development, like DP + OS in a manner of speaking, so that gives me hope now.
 
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The interview does make it sound like self-contained stories with longer term development, like DP + OS in a manner of speaking, so that gives me hope now.
Where the interview says long term development?
 
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I never said that it says long term development, I said it makes it sound like that to me.
I understand.

Why it sounds like that to you?

It sounds to me like it will be pretty episodic. So, I don't think it will be so much character development, but Ash and Go living self-contained adventures.
 
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Are you seriously still hung up on reboot or lack of continuity?
Why wouldn't I be? The first episode hasn't aired yet and the preview shows discrepancies from EP001. And I find it ridiculous that they wouldn't at least confirm that Ash's Kanto starters are coming back by now. So no, I don't know for sure what is going on, but I haven't changed my mind just because my opinion annoys you.

You pretty much contradicted yourself with "maximum accessibility" which also includes older series fans (which is what the intend this series to be). They showcased quite a lot of Ash's older Pokemon in the Kanto visit episodes, I don't recall any complaints or confusion regarding those two. In fact, those two were received very positively among the community.
Kids are absolutely the target audience. Adults should be used to the minimal continuity and say thank you for the nods, as the show isn't meant for them. Ironically, a reboot could be more referential than the post-DP series were, starting with the rehash of Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden which wouldn't even make sense for Ash's Bulbasaur again (the posters and merchandise prove that some Bulbasaur will recur, rather than Ivysaur).

Past characters (including reserves) are pretty much that, characters. They're dynamic and they can be re-introduced at any point with little flashbacks or retelling... and they can be further developed if needed.
And these wouldn't be story arcs? Or are you saying that old characters will only be shown one episode at a time and they'll each have to be re-introduced each time? They only did this once for one or two characters in AG, DP, BW and SM and that required two-parters or more. Otherwise, the returning characters are glorified COTDs as far as kids are concerned.
 
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Why wouldn't I be? The first episode hasn't aired yet and the preview shows discrepancies from EP001. And I find it ridiculous that they wouldn't at least confirm that Ash's Kanto starters are coming back by now. So no, I don't know for sure what is going on, but I haven't changed my mind just because my opinion annoys you.


Kids are absolutely the target audience. Adults should be used to the minimal continuity and say thank you for the nods, as the show isn't meant for them. Ironically, a reboot could be more referential than the post-DP series were, starting with the rehash of Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden which wouldn't even make sense for Ash's Bulbasaur again (the posters and merchandise prove that some Bulbasaur will recur, rather than Ivysaur).


And these wouldn't be story arcs? Or are you saying that old characters will only be shown one episode at a time and they'll each have to be re-introduced each time? They only did this once for one or two characters in AG, DP, BW and SM and that required two-parters or more. Otherwise, the returning characters are glorified COTDs as far as kids are concerned.
Your profile is right: you are stuck into the past and reboot land.
 
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So any word if there will be an English Dub Sneak Peek for this? We saw it happen for X/Y and S/M, but maybe things are different now that Pokémon has been on Disney XD for a few years now. Maybe Disney XD isn't interested in a sneak peek? Afterall, we are still waiting for any announcement for Movie 22's dub.
Well we got the SM sneak peek on Disney XD to promote both the new series and Pokemon moving to the channel, so I doubt that they're uninterested in the sneak peek for this series. I'm also not sure if Disney XD is a factor in regards to the recent movie's dub, especially when they weren't able to give it a limited release in theaters beforehand. I don't recall when they've announced sneak peeks for other new series. We'll probably get something either late this month or more likely sometime in December.

As for the new series being episodic, I'm not sure if it's that much different than how the series generally have been structured. The anime usually doesn't have long arcs, each one is pretty much stand alone-ish and there is a more episodic format. It does seem a bit strange to me that they'd cite the new timeslot, but I don't think that Japan offers a lot of reruns for a new series. Granted, I'm not sure if that would be a huge problem in this day and age, but it might still be a concern for them.
 
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Kids are absolutely the target audience. Adults should be used to the minimal continuity and say thank you for the nods, as the show isn't meant for them.
I think the nods are meant to work as nice callbacks for older fans and make the younger audience eager to check out older episodes.
 
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I wonder: why promoting regions that aren't featured in any current game and only older fans seem to remember?
 
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I wonder: why promoting regions that aren't featured in any current game and only older fans seem to remember?
Whatever it is, I just hope it isn't for the sake of being different. I'd prefer a traditional Galar Saga over this just because of how amazing Galar looks.
 
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I understand.

Why it sounds like that to you?

It sounds to me like it will be pretty episodic. So, I don't think it will be so much character development, but Ash and Go living self-contained adventures.
Episodic like how OS was, definitely. Not many of OS episodes were a lengthy arc and could well be standalone & self-contained, but the longer term goal for OS was the League in Ash's case. That's what I meant.
For DP, I could say its the rivalry build up and relation/tension between Ash and Paul (there were more like the other rivals and all but the given example should be enough). Tbh, every series except BF maybe, have been using the same format that this series will use.
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Why wouldn't I be? The first episode hasn't aired yet and the preview shows discrepancies from EP001. And I find it ridiculous that they wouldn't at least confirm that Ash's Kanto starters are coming back by now. So no, I don't know for sure what is going on, but I haven't changed my mind just because my opinion annoys you.
What discrepancies? A Pikachu backstory? No discrepancy there.
Ash receiving Pikachu? Seems like a flashback...
Ash throwing a Pokeball in his sleep? Could very well be him being hyped in his dreams about his upcoming journey and doing it unknowingly, in the present day.

Your arguments previously about a reboot scenario were the logo (which has since been dismissed), and then later it was "green pajamas in a third continuity" (which is farfetched and wayward as stated by Neo Blaze). If anything, the evidence we have so far from both SM and SS/PM imply a continuity. Why is it ridiculous that they haven't confirmed anything yet? They've not confirmed much outside of Ash, Pikachu and Gou and the travel aspect (not even Ash's ambition outside of being a Pokemon Master, what he'll be doing for that matter which is supposed to be important). If anything, it gives us a lot of speculation material.

Besides, did you miss the Bulbasaur, Squirtle and Charizard (not Charmander) in front of Ash's house in the official poster? I don't know about you but those three (yes, those specific stages of evolution) and the location tells me a lot in my speculation's favor.
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Kids are absolutely the target audience. Adults should be used to the minimal continuity and say thank you for the nods, as the show isn't meant for them. Ironically, a reboot could be more referential than the post-DP series were, starting with the rehash of Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden which wouldn't even make sense for Ash's Bulbasaur again (the posters and merchandise prove that some Bulbasaur will recur, rather than Ivysaur).
I'll leave this here. A rehash of an older episode without any relevant development (in this case potentially for Ash's Bulbasaur) does nothing outside of being a filler and only alienates a portion of the fanbase for bait-and-switching (which is counter productive to the intention they mentioned for this series).
I think the nods are meant to work as nice callbacks for older fans and make the younger audience eager to check out older episodes.
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And these wouldn't be story arcs? Or are you saying that old characters will only be shown one episode at a time and they'll each have to be re-introduced each time? They only did this once for one or two characters in AG, DP, BW and SM and that required two-parters or more. Otherwise, the returning characters are glorified COTDs as far as kids are concerned.
I guess I worded that wrongly.

There's a difference between a character arc/development/progression and plot progression. Characters are dynamic and can drive the story, but the other way round can be difficult.

Example? There's a difference between Ash-Paul rivalry and the entire Galactic arc (the latter didn't really turn out well imo in the anime). One is driven by the characters, the other is driven by... plot elements (that were taken from the games). There's also the Misty and Brock revisits in SM in multiple episodes that formed their own mini-arcs twice, would you call them "glorified CotDs"?

Like Finnish said, these returning characters (be they Pokemon or Humans) act as a catalyst to have new fans and kids check out the previous episodes, games and what not. That's quite the opposite of what the main games are doing which is why the anime is far better off at the moment.
 
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So any word if there will be an English Dub Sneak Peek for this? We saw it happen for X/Y and S/M, but maybe things are different now that Pokémon has been on Disney XD for a few years now. Maybe Disney XD isn't interested in a sneak peek? Afterall, we are still waiting for any announcement for Movie 22's dub.
I know CITV over here in the UK got the Sun & Moon preview earlier than the US did so there's a possible chance it could happen again.
 
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I don't really agree that old series were episodic (other than SM), but I do feel you could watch the vast majority of episodes while missing some others and enjoy them a lot, you just wouldn't enjoy them quite as much as if you had seen everything in order. Many episodes just had little bits that connected them to others (and I really don't see any reason other than laziness for that to not continue), and there really weren't very many huge arcs, but more overarching storylines that were just small portions of episodes. In my own experience, I enjoy re-watching an entire series a great deal more than re-watching random episodes.

I am very disappointed that the new series will be episodic, I don't think it dooms the series, but it does create a lower ceiling, where I think although any given episode could be great, the series on the whole doesn't have as much potential as some of the more cohesive series. As for the argument that it won't be much different from past series, since the interview directly states its a change, I don't imagine it will be the type of "episodic" from past series, but will be drastically more episodic, otherwise it wouldn't be stated as a change.

I think its cute that they blame the time slot for the change. A purely episodic series is infinitely easier to direct, write, etc, and that is the reason for the change, it has nothing to do with the timeslot, but good on them for trying to blame their shortcomings on something else. This is a continuation of the disturbing trend we have seen lately with Pokemon, as the games have been getting progressively lazier since gen 5 concluded, only doing the bare minimum to maximize profit, with a lot less pride in their work than they used to take (and creating hype and gimmicks as a distraction). The episodes can easily still be enjoyable, but it becomes less of a series, and more of just a collection of randomness, which for someone like me is a lot less enjoyable on the whole.

In my opinion, the way series were structured in the past, no one was really left out, you could enjoy it in an episodic fashion, and those that enjoyed the long term and following storylines could also really get behind it. Going strictly episodic is going to leave a lot of people's preferences out. I think for me it just means lowering my expectations, which maybe by knowing up front will make it easier. It may just mean I start another re-watch of older series next year and watch these new episodes randomly without worrying about order, since it won't really matter.
 
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I can see the timeslot thing being legitimate though; it makes sense if the timeslot change was done in preparation for this series.
 
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I think that the most likely old companions to return are Brock and Misty for nostalgia reasons and Dawn to promote Sinnoh remakes, which are likely to happen.
As much as I would love for May to come back, your prediction seems the most plausible :(
 
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I get the concerns about the promised formula change, but like many of you I think it's unlikely we'll have a fundamental shift to a Simpsons-esque truly episodic series. Go is hardly gonna catch new Pokemon which we never see again, is he? I read this more as them ditching the SM-style arcs, to which I say a cheery good riddance. I don't think most of the island visiting/crisis arcs worked, and the League especially was a chore to sit through.

In the same vein, although I'm really not sure about hopping from region to region every episode (and I really hope that Lugia is a one-off and not the actual permanent method of transportation), I don't think they'd have done a good job with long arcs in each region. This is going to be much more satisfactorily workable.

So, welcome back OS-XY style episodic Pokeani!!
 
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Yeah, check this out. I don't think any of Ash's previous companions are coming back:

Pokemon Star Explains How Series' New Anime Will Be Different
Did people really think they were going to return?

I would love May and Max to come back, but their voice actors have moved on. Serena isn't returning either (and why are people so obsessed with her anyway?) and we likely won't see Brock and Misty again anytime soon because they really only appeared to promote Let's Go.
 
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Yeah, check this out. I don't think any of Ash's previous companions are coming back:

Pokemon Star Explains How Series' New Anime Will Be Different
Did people really think they were going to return?

I would love May and Max to come back, but their voice actors have moved on. Serena isn't returning either (and why are people so obsessed with her anyway?) and we likely won't see Brock and Misty again anytime soon because they really only appeared to promote Let's Go.
I wouldn't trust anything that Screenrant and Comicbook spew out, they've been making these clickbait articles for months now, with a lot of false information every now and then.
(I don't even know how to block the article suggestions I get of them in Chrome Mobile feed.)

Also, that tweet about Rica confirming that there will only be two main characters was already discussed in these forums iirc. She only says that Ash and Gou will be part of the main/core cast (Ash+Serena+Bonnie+Clemont, Ash+Misty+Brock, Ash+Classmates .etc.), since a lot of people were speculating if Koharu would be the third member. Nowhere does she state that past companions or characters won't return in any capacity... whether as side, supporting, CotD or cameo characters.
If anything, the two-man travelling group actually allows them to slot in past characters quite dynamically as temporary travel companions whether in singles or duos, and without an overcrowding feel.

Voice actors can always be replaced if the previous ones are unavailable, I know the Japs are stingy with replacing VAs but most of the time it only tends to be with main characters.
 
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