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Pokédex speculation

Hmmm thanks.

I guess my ideal way of handling this would be to add some Sinnohan variants of select 5-8 monsters (they adapted to become fire-type to keep warm in the colder climate!).

But it’s far more likely that they throw a gift Charmander into the early game or something.

Galaxy brain solution is that they add baby and mid-evo forms to Heatran and accept that it’s never been much of a legendary.:LOL:

No to the Sinnohan forms. It doesn't make sense for an old region to have regional variants of newer Pokémon. The Alolan and Galarian forms worked because those Pokémon already existed when those regions were introduced.
No to the Charmander gift. Charmander was already available in Sword and Shield and people are getting tired of Charizard.
And no to the pre-evolved forms of Heatran. If I would do anything to reduce it's Legendary status, I would give it to a trainer like Flint so that we could register it in our Sinnoh Pokédex without reducing the amount of National Dex Pokémon we'd see in the Battle Zone.
 
No to the Sinnohan forms. It doesn't make sense for an old region to have regional variants of newer Pokémon. The Alolan and Galarian forms worked because those Pokémon already existed when those regions were introduced.
I don’t see why it matters. The point is we haven’t seen Gens 5-8 Pokémon in Sinnoh yet, so the possibility remains that they might look different if native to the region. I don’t think it’s likely we’ll get Sinnohan Forms (at least not in BDSP. I could actually see it happening in Legends), but the concept makes complete sense.
 
I'm also hesitant about all gen 1-4 Pokémon being available; I don't think this will be the case.

If they don’t, then there will be complaints about the game having less content than even the original DP, giving consumers less a reason to buy and play these games over the original DPPt (unless an equivalent amount of Pokémon from later gems makes up for it). Given the little we have to go off of for BDSP right now, such a decision to have less Pokémon useable compared to the original Sinnoh games would make reception of the games worse than they currently are. Even though they clearly aren’t as high a priority as Legends: Arceus seem to be, I’m sure TPCi would still like these games to perform as well as possible. Cutting the amount of Pokémon available to be used in the Sinnoh region does nothing but make ILCA and TPCi look bad and would be used against them as evidence of just wanting to cut corners out of greed.

We already know that the Game Corner’s going to get cut; do we really need the amount of Pokémon usable in Sinnoh cut down as well?

If BDSP really does only contain the Platinum Dex and not much more (which is certainly a possibility), it'll be the first time a remake has cut something really significant that was in the original game - except for Game Corners, and there's an understandable reason for that. (I don't count the Battle Frontier being missing from ORAS, because those games are remakes of Ruby and Sapphire, not Emerald).

If they do release a remake that has less Pokemon in it than the original had, there's bound to be some backlash. People will be asking: are these games really worth playing over the originals? And people will be upset that there are Pokemon from their original Diamond and Pearl games that can't be transferred to the remakes.
 
I agree. Charizard is already prominent in Sword and Shield. It can take a break in BDSP.

I mean I wasn’t arguing in favor of it— I’m more a Squirtle guy :LOL: Just that if they decide that “not enough Fire types” is a problem, that’s not an unlikely solution based on past precedent (SwSh) and just the fact that it’s like the second most popular Pokémon.

I don’t really care though, and hey, for all we know, they think one region being low on fire is a feature, not a bug. Just trying to predict what’s most likely.


If BDSP really does only contain the Platinum Dex and not much more (which is certainly a possibility), it'll be the first time a remake has cut something really significant that was in the original game - except for Game Corners, and there's an understandable reason for that. (I don't count the Battle Frontier being missing from ORAS, because those games are remakes of Ruby and Sapphire, not Emerald).

If they do release a remake that has less Pokemon in it than the original had, there's bound to be some backlash. People will be asking: are these games really worth playing over the originals? And people will be upset that there are Pokemon from their original Diamond and Pearl games that can't be transferred to the remakes.

I do think it’s a good point that players might look at a dex of 300 or whatever and say “that’s less than 493, this is dumb.” That said, I’m not sure complaints are a good reason to do anything.

If they do want to mitigate that hey, maybe the 493 actually will make it in, who knows. I think my ideal version would be the 200-300ish we know we’re getting, and then fill in the rest up to 450-500 with a different selection than just “the first 493”— make up the difference by throwing in some newer monsters.

Though it should be pointed out that LGPE did actually have less available Pokémon than FRLG, so there is precedent. They just made up the difference with stuff like megas, regionals, partner Pokémon, overworld Pokémon, following and riding, improved graphics, etc. At this point we don’t know how much will be changed or added— if it is indeed not much, as many fear, expecting the first 493 does seem more reasonable.
 
Though it should be pointed out that LGPE did actually have less available Pokémon than FRLG, so there is precedent. They just made up the difference with stuff like megas, regionals, partner Pokémon, overworld Pokémon, following and riding, improved graphics, etc.

Considering LGPE's a reimagining of Yellow instead of FRLG, I wouldn't really use it to say there's precedence of a remake having less Pokemon than the original game it's based on

Fans would've probably been more annoyed at the lack of Gens 2+3 & Sevii Islands if it was a remake of FRLG
 
If Platinum was able to fill Flint's team with his type, the Fire problem's already solved. But it's okay if they want to give him more Fire-type Pokémon like Darmanitan, Pyroar and Turtonator. I just don't want him to have a Charizard when he already has Infernape.
 
If Platinum was able to fill Flint's team with his type, the Fire problem's already solved. But it's okay if they want to give him more Fire-type Pokémon like Darmanitan, Pyroar and Turtonator. I just don't want him to have a Charizard when he already has Infernape.
We don’t know that BDSP will have the full Platinum Dex. Anyway, Platinum didn’t really “solve” the issue, just improved upon it slightly. A Trainer being able to actually fill his team with the type he specializes in is really the bare minimum.
 
We don’t know that BDSP will have the full Platinum Dex. Anyway, Platinum didn’t really “solve” the issue, just improved upon it slightly. A Trainer being able to actually fill his team with the type he specializes in is really the bare minimum.
Well, it's better than Kanto. Agatha ended up being a Poison-type specialist instead of a Ghost-type because the only Ghost-type family was part Poison. And there was only one Dragon-type family for Lance to use. Being able to fill a trainer's team may be the bare minimum but if you really want more options, you'd might as well have the National Pokédex to give you all the possibilities in the series.
 
It's actually quite challenging, as I discovered when making my own regional dex for this thread, to ensure there's a sufficient amount of team options for each type, if the roster is small. I suspect one reason Game Freak started making the regional dexes bigger was so that the Gym Leaders and Elite Four would have more Pokemon to choose from.
 
Well, it's better than Kanto. Agatha ended up being a Poison-type specialist instead of a Ghost-type because the only Ghost-type family was part Poison. And there was only one Dragon-type family for Lance to use. Being able to fill a trainer's team may be the bare minimum but if you really want more options, you'd might as well have the National Pokédex to give you all the possibilities in the series.
Kanto was different because certain types barely existed back then. Sinnoh had plenty of Fire types it could have included; there was no excuse. It’s not all or nothing, just include a select few Pokémon from other gens.
 
Kanto was different because certain types barely existed back then. Sinnoh had plenty of Fire types it could have included; there was no excuse. It’s not all or nothing, just include a select few Pokémon from other gens.
Yeah, there was no excuse especially when Flareon and Magmar are related to Sinnoh Pokémon evolutions. Why did they decide to leave new Pokémon out of the Sinnoh Dex?
 
There is no reason Flint can't have Magmortar on his team - its a Gen 4 pokemon.
Exactly. There's no reason for Gen 4 Pokémon to be left out of the Sinnoh Dex. In fact, they could have put Heatran in his team if they needed to keep Stark Mountain a post-game area. They could make Snowpoint Temple accessible after defeating Candice and have Regigigas there awake to unlock the Hoenn Regi trio, they could put that Lunar Wing just before battling Byron, and since there was already a book containing Manaphy, they could use book pages for the other Mythicals Phione, Darkrai, Shaymin and Arceus. There, now we can see all Gen 4 Pokémon before moving on to the post-game.
 
I doubt they’d ever give an E4 member a Legendary in a Story battle. The only trainers to use a Legendary in the main story are N, and technically Mustard though I would argue he doesn’t really count.
Edit: Oh right, and Gladion but Silvally is a special case as well.
 
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I doubt they’d ever give an E4 member a Legendary in a Story battle. The only trainers to use a Legendary in the main story are N, and technically Mustard though I would argue he doesn’t really count.
How else would we get Heatran in our Pokédex? It lives in Stark Mountain, which is in the post-game Battle Zone area. The road from the ferry to Stark Mountain would be putting half the post-game areas in the main story if the National Dex returns, and with the National Dex nearly doubled since the last time we were in Sinnoh, that would be cutting precious post-game areas when we need more post-game areas to put the Gens 5-8 Pokémon. Then again, they could keep true to their word and not include a National Dex, but it's more fun to think about what if they kept the National Dex in the game with a faithful "See all Pokémon in the Sinnoh Dex" requirement and have it be an expanded Platinum Dex that has all the Sinnoh Legendaries and Mythicals that Platinum didn't include.
 
Just...keep it as is? Why is it imperatively necessary for it to be added to the Dex in the main story?
Because it's a Sinnoh Pokémon. It, Regigigas, Cresselia, Phione, Darkrai, Shaymin and Arceus are the only seven Pokémon to not be included in any regional dex. Even Meltan without a clear region managed to make it to the Kanto Dex, leaving those Sinnoh legendaries completely out of every regional Dex. So it's about time they finally get in a Pokédex. I don't think Bulbapedia even needs this page. Seven Pokémon isn't enough for a list and that is a very short page with not much in it. And if they are cutting the National Dex, and those Pokémon still aren't in it, then that would mean not all Sinnoh Pokémon are in the Sinnoh remakes. Legends Arceus will likely have Arceus, but we don't know about Heatran and the other missing Legendaries.
 
Because it's a Sinnoh Pokémon. It, Regigigas, Cresselia, Phione, Darkrai, Shaymin and Arceus are the only seven Pokémon to not be included in any regional dex. Even Meltan without a clear region managed to make it to the Kanto Dex, leaving those Sinnoh legendaries completely out of every regional Dex. So it's about time they finally get in a Pokédex. I don't think Bulbapedia even needs this page. Seven Pokémon isn't enough for a list and that is a very short page with not much in it. And if they are cutting the National Dex, and those Pokémon still aren't in it, then that would mean not all Sinnoh Pokémon are in the Sinnoh remakes. Legends Arceus will likely have Arceus, but we don't know about Heatran and the other missing Legendaries.
Then just put it in the regional Dex but leave its method of encounter/obtainment as is. There are plenty of Legendaries and Mythicals who are like that. Either way, it’s never been a big deal.
 
Then just put it in the regional Dex but leave its method of encounter/obtainment as is. There are plenty of Legendaries and Mythicals who are like that. Either way, it’s never been a big deal.
Other regions don't ask you to complete the regional dex before moving on to the post-game. But in Sinnoh, you have to complete the Sinnoh Dex before moving on to the post-game content. It wouldn't be as faithful of a remake to not give you a National Dex for seeing all the Pokémon in the Sinnoh Dex. But all the other regions include their Legendaries and Mythicals in their regional dex so why should those seven Sinnoh Legends be kept out of their own regional dex? That's not much a dilemma, I would like the challenge of completing an expanded Sinnoh Dex.
 
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