- Jun 5, 2016
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It wasn't the first time they did that; Misty's Starmie can be a huge pain if you didn't pick Bulbasaur. Roserade might be a step up stat-wise, though.Gardenia's Roserade (why a fully evolved Pokemon for the second gym?).
I don't recall them but I am getting Mt. Moon Raticate flashbacks.Did anyone else have SERIOUS trouble with that Ace Trainer double battle on Route 215 (right before reaching Veilstone City) in the original Diamond/Pearl? Like, I still remember struggling a lot against that Kadabra and Gyarados as a kid, much more so than against any of the Gym Leaders or even Galactic Commanders up to that point. They very much nerfed them in Platinum and gave them completely different teams, and I think that's pretty much the only instance where I actually preferred the Diamond/Pearl one. I remember fighting them in Platinum for the first time and thinking, "Where's the challenge??"
I actually think using the DP Dex makes more sense on the whole. The Platinum Dex has an unintuitive numbering system that wouldn't have made much sense to new players, and it includes Giratina, a Pokemon that presumably doesn't appear in BDSP's main story. I think giving players access to extra Pokemon in the Underground, rather than completely revamping the Pokedex order, is a good compromise.
Actually, Starmie has a slightly higher BST than Roserade (520 compared to 515, which was 505 prior to Gen 6), though Roserade does have much higher Special Attack (125 compared to 100). Starmie is much faster, though (having base 115 Speed while Roserade's is only 90).It wasn't the first time they did that; Misty's Starmie can be a huge pain if you didn't pick Bulbasaur. Roserade might be a step up stat-wise, though.
I haven't played platinum (only a Rom hack with platinum being the base), but when it comes to the difficulty this would probably be less of an issue since exp share is always on.At the risk of getting mocked, I'm partly relieved with them using the Diamond/Pearl teams instead of Platinum so as not to deal with some of the more frustrating early game bosses like Jupiter's Skuntank.
Later games that expanded the Dex (HGSS, BW2, ORAS, USUM) just renumbered the dex instead of tacking the new ones onto the end. If that was their only issue they could've just renumbered BDSP's Dex as well.
Wait, so Volkner and Flint won't have Electivire/Magmortar?
That's so disappointing.
They could have done this, and I was actually hoping they might (I even made a spreadsheet speculating about what the order might be). But I can understand why they didn't want to deviate that much in a remake. B2W2 and USUM overhauled their Pokedexes but HGSS, ORAS and LGPE only made small alterations.
I like smaller Pokedexes and I'm quite nostalgic about the DP roster in spite of its flaws, so I'm happy with the decision they made overall. That being said, if they had revamped the Pokedex I don't think anyone would have complained. It seems that I'm in the minority for feeling nostalgic about specific Pokedex listings, and newcomers wouldn't have noticed the difference.
Perhaps making the "see every Pokemon in Sinnoh" challenge accessible for children and newcomers was a factor in the decision to keep the Pokedex small.
Plus the fact that Volkner, Flint, Candice, etc. being forced to have more type-diverse teams would (seemingly, I haven't played the original D/P) make the later bosses harder, which is a plus in my book.At the risk of getting mocked, I'm partly relieved with them using the Diamond/Pearl teams instead of Platinum so as not to deal with some of the more frustrating early game bosses like Jupiter's Skuntank.
You know, all of this makes me wonder if we’ll get an explanation in an interview about why these detrimental decisions were kept when both Platinum and later games rectified these unpopular choices beyond “nostalgia.” If we’re lucky, maybe we’ll even get to know why Diamond and Pearl were designed the way they were in the first place!And this is where I think they're taking nostalgia too far, I don't think the players that liked DP liked it because of its regional dex, in fact DP's regional dex was pretty hated which is part of the reason why Platinum expanded it in the first place. I doubt there's more than a handful of fans that would've been upset if BDSP had a renumbered Platinum Dex.
This wasn't needed either, there have been numerous other games where you just get the National Dex post game without any real restrictions. This would be bringing the bathwater back with the baby, which is why so many fans have been upset with BDSP's approach.