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BDSP Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl General Discussion

I find it strange how a lot of people continue to pretend that BDSP doesn't have any Platinum content, when in fact, BDSP already has most of the content Platinum added to base Diamond/Pearl:

1. Gym Leader rematches (that use their Platinum Teams)
2. Pokemon League rematches (that use their Platinum teams)
3. Distortion World battle with Origin Form Shadow Giratina
4. Expanded Regional Dex
5. Lucas and Dawn's Platinum outfits
6. Expanded selection of Pokemon in Amity Square
7. Volkner & Flint tag team battle
8. Rotom's Room from Platinum
Etc.

The only things that are really missing from Platinum are the Battle Frontier (which is not coming back, as we already know since ORAS in 2014), the Villa, Looker, Charon, and a few Gym Redesigns.

My point is that, IF they were planning to give us a Platinum DLC (paid or free), they would have kept all the things like Shadow Origin Giratina and Platinum outfits for said Platinum DLC. This makes it clear that a Platinum DLC isn't going to come, as it just would not add anything relevant to what BDSP already has.

And let's not fool ourselves: when people say "Platinum DLC" they generally just mean "Battle Frontier DLC". And we were already told, by Masuda himself, that they don't want a Battle Frontier in a modern Pokemon game. I don't know how much clearer they can make it at this point, lol.
 
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I find it strange how a lot of people continue to pretend that BDSP doesn't have any Platinum content, when in fact, BDSP already has most of the content Platinum added to base Diamond/Pearl:

1. Gym Leader rematches (that use their Platinum Teams)
2. Pokemon League rematches (that use their Platinum teams)
3. Distortion World battle with Origin Form Shadow Giratina
4. Expanded Regional Dex
5. Lucas and Dawn's Platinum outfits
6. Expanded selection of Pokemon in Amity Square
7. Volkner & Flint tag team battle
8. Rotom's Room from Platinum
Etc.

The only things that are really missing from Platinum are the Battle Frontier (which is not coming back, as we already know since ORAS in 2014), the Villa, Looker, Charon, and a few Gym Redesigns.
1/2 but the gym leaders & elite 4 do not use their platinum teams the first time you fight them. makes it hard to take Volkner and Flint seriously when they claim to be electric and fire type experts, respectively. most of the other gym leaders were also changed for the better in platinum.
3 we did not get to explore the actual distortion world; the Giratina battle isn't the only cool part of that segment
4 adding the platinum dex mons to the underground is not enough; i want the trainers i face to also use the new mons rather than the usual ponyta and bidoof.
5/6/7/8 i honestly don't give a shit about these things

you're also not mentioning the change in the order in which you challenge the gyms. also, i really miss Looker, Charon and the Gym Redesigns, as well as how they fleshed out Cyrus's character considerably more in Platinum. i'm one of the few folks who doesn't care about the battle frontier, but i'd still say that Platinum is the definitive gen 4 experience
 
1/2 but the gym leaders & elite 4 do not use their platinum teams the first time you fight them.
I know...? I specifically said REMATCHES.
makes it hard to take Volkner and Flint seriously when they claim to be electric and fire type experts, respectively. most of the other gym leaders were also changed for the better in platinum.
I would argue them not being monotype users makes them more unpredictable, and harder, but you can have your opinion.
3 we did not get to explore the actual distortion world; the Giratina battle isn't the only cool part of that segment
Yes but what we got in BDSP is still the Distortion World, and they would have saved it for the DLC if they had a DLC in mind.
4 adding the platinum dex mons to the underground is not enough; i want the trainers i face to also use the new mons rather than the usual ponyta and bidoof.
It may not be enough for you, that doesn't mean everyone feels that way.
5/6/7/8 i honestly don't give a shit about these things
I didn't ask if you care about them, I just enumerated them because they exist in BDSP and some other people maybe do care about them.
you're also not mentioning the change in the order in which you challenge the gyms.
Changing the order of gyms doesn't mean more content. Of course they were going to follow the original DP order in a DP remake.
also, i really miss Looker, Charon and the Gym Redesigns, as well as how they fleshed out Cyrus's character considerably more in Platinum.
I personally hate Looker, so I'm glad he's not in BDSP. I don't really care about Charon either, and I didn't like some of the Gym Designs like Gardenia's gym for example.
i'm one of the few folks who doesn't care about the battle frontier, but i'd still say that Platinum is the definitive gen 4 experience
I think BDSP has surpassed Platinum as the definitive Sinnoh experience, but again, that's just a matter of personal preference, and it has nothing to do with my original post.
 
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Yes but what we got in BDSP is still the Distortion World, and they would have saved it for the DLC in they had a DLC in mind.
it may technically be the distortion world, but it's not what people mean when they say they like the distortion world. also, i'd like to point out that for the first part of your post, you were listing changes from platinum that made it into BDSP or not. that is what i'm responding to; i know there's not going to be a platinum dlc.

It may not be enough for you, that doesn't mean everyone feels that way.
sorry, i thought it was obvious that i was stating my own opinion rather than some sort of consensus

Changing the order of gyms doesn't mean more content. Of course they were going to follow the original DP order in a DP remake.
it doesn't mean more content, but it does mean better pacing. Platinum fixed many of the problems DP had (weird pacing, boring characters, crappy regional dex) but BDSP just tossed all of those fixes out the window.
I personally hate Looker, so I'm glad he's not in BDSP. I don't really care about Charon either, and I didn't like some of the Gym Designs like Gardenia's gym for example.
i actually liked gardenia's gym better in platinum. it's more visually appealing, and the original puzzle was a joke anyways. Maylene's is also an improvement imo, and i doubt anyone will deny that Fantina's gym needed a makeover.
 
it may technically be the distortion world, but it's not what people mean when they say they like the distortion world
Sounds like you're unintentionally making a consensus about what people mean and enjoy. I for example, am part of "people", and I disagree with you. I am perfectly happy with the Distortion World we got in BDSP. It's a perfect homage to the original, imo.
i'd like to point out that for the first part of your post, you were listing changes from platinum that made it into BDSP or not. that is what i'm responding to; i know there's not going to be a platinum dlc.
Ok, I'm glad that we agree there probably won't be any "Platinum DLC", I think it's baseless to expect such a thing.
sorry, i thought it was obvious that i was stating my own opinion rather than some sort of consensus
See above. You kinda do sound like it's some sort of consensus...
it doesn't mean more content, but it does mean better pacing. Platinum fixed many of the problems DP had (weird pacing, boring characters, crappy regional dex) but BDSP just tossed all of those fixes out the window.
Subjective. But I respect your opinion of course.
i actually liked gardenia's gym better in platinum. it's more visually appealing, and the original puzzle was a joke anyways. Maylene's is also an improvement imo, and i doubt anyone will deny that Fantina's gym needed a makeover.
Are you implying that the clock-based puzzle from Platinum wasn't a joke as well? It was very very simple imo. And like I said, I pefer the original DP/BDSP layout with the trees.

I DO agree with you about Fantina's gym layout tho, the Platinum design was better.
 
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I would argue them not being monotype users makes them more unpredictable, and harder, but you can have your opinion.
Then maybe don't call them type specialists when the Ice type one has a random fighting type and the electric has a random water type (and weak one top of it). Plus, it didn't really make them any harder, specially not in this remake where you get overleveled extremely easily anyway and have forced affection bonuses that further trivializes the difficulty.

You know why Gamfreak changed it in Platinum? Because they knew type specialists having random pokemon not of their type was dumb. And they don't even fit thematically.
Yes but what we got in BDSP is still the Distortion World
We didn't, we got a background instead of the actual dungeon. Specially one of the coolest dungeons in the series with the whole gravity schtick. This is not the same thing as getting the actual Distortion World.

And last, i didn't expected actual Platinum DLC, but the trailer gave me the impression for like a second.
 
Then maybe don't call them type specialists when the Ice type one has a random fighting type and the electric has a random water type (and weak one top of it). Plus, it didn't really make them any harder, specially not in this remake where you get overleveled extremely easily anyway and have forced affection bonuses that further trivializes the difficulty.

You know why Gamfreak changed it in Platinum? Because they knew type specialists having random pokemon not of their type was dumb. And they don't even fit thematically.

We didn't, we got a background instead of the actual dungeon. Specially one of the coolest dungeons in the series with the whole gravity schtick. This is not the same thing as getting the actual Distortion World.

And last, i didn't expected actual Platinum DLC, but the trailer gave me the impression for like a second.
You can complain all you want, and hate everything about BDSP, but my point still stands on both the Gym Leaders and the Distortion World. Feel free to agree or disagree.

Oh and by the way, my original post wasn't directed at you. It was just a general observation.
 
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Sounds like you're unintentionally making a consensus about what people mean and enjoy. I for example, am part of "people", and I disagree with you. I am perfectly happy with the Distortion World we got in BDSP. It's a perfect homage to the original, imo.
sorry, i guess i see where you're coming from.
Are you implying that the clock-based puzzle from Platinum wasn't a joke as well? It was very very simple imo. And like I said, I pefer the original DP/BDSP layout with the trees.
the reason i prefer the platinum version is because it doesn't even pretend to be a puzzle. i prefer some pretty visuals over a joke of a puzzle.
I DO agree with you about Fantina's gym layout tho, the Platinum design was better.
glad we agree on something
 
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It has broken out of all my remaining Dusk Balls (Azelf got in the second one, so why can't Uxie), ALL of my Timer Balls (at maximum efficiency, wtf), and I am still trying to catch this thing (I got it to red HP with my Absol's Quick Attack), this thing is super annoying, has anyone else experienced difficulties catching Uxie?
 
Me at Lake Acuity attempting to catch Uxie: "Uxie. Get. In. The. Ball."
It has broken out of all my remaining Dusk Balls (Azelf got in the second one, so why can't Uxie), ALL of my Timer Balls (at maximum efficiency, wtf), and I am still trying to catch this thing (I got it to red HP with my Absol's Quick Attack), this thing is super annoying, has anyone else experienced difficulties catching Uxie?
legendaries are always a pain to catch. you should try to make sure that your pokemon is a higher level than it though, otherwise it's pretty much impossible to catch
 
You know why Gamfreak changed it in Platinum? Because they knew type specialists having random pokemon not of their type was dumb. And they don't even fit thematically.
They knew moves of the correct type. And having type diversity makes them less predictable. They didn't change because it was "dumb", because it never was.
 
They knew moves of the correct type. And having type diversity makes them less predictable. They didn't change because it was "dumb", because it never was.
i have no problem with gym leaders who aren't type specialists. Blue is among my favorite gym leaders. but don't frame someone as a type specialist and then have them use random mons unrelated to their type.
 
They knew moves of the correct type. And having type diversity makes them less predictable. They didn't change because it was "dumb", because it never was.
“Type diversity” is one thing. A gym leader that’s type diverse would be entertaining. But these trainers weren’t meant to be them. They’re very much marketed as type specialists forced to use Pokémon outside their specialities because the originals had such an abysmal type distribution.

A gym leader not specialising in any particular type isn’t “dumb”.

But an Elite Four Member claiming to be a fire type specialist, with a fire motif, named keeping in view flames not having fire types because the game doesn’t have enough of them doesn’t really scream that “This trainer was intended to not specialise in a single type.”
 
“Type diversity” is one thing. A gym leader that’s type diverse would be entertaining. But these trainers weren’t meant to be them. They’re very much marketed as type specialists forced to use Pokémon outside their specialities because the originals had such an abysmal type distribution.

A gym leader not specialising in any particular type isn’t “dumb”.

But an Elite Four Member claiming to be a fire type specialist, with a fire motif, named keeping in view flames not having fire types because the game doesn’t have enough of them doesn’t really scream that “This trainer was intended to not specialise in a single type.”
I suppose it could be put that they made a good use of Sinnoh's limited Pokédex by having unexpected Pokémon on them.
 
I suppose it could be put that they made a good use of Sinnoh's limited Pokédex by having unexpected Pokémon on them.
Well, now you just changed the entire argument.
What other option did they even have? I guess they could pull a Lance by having 2x of the same Pokémon on the team. But the Flint situation still remains an odd oversight to me.

The fact that he gets a Fire type team in Platinum just affirms the fact that it was an oversight. Don’t really have anything much to say here.
 
What other option did they even have? I guess they could pull a Lance by having 2x of the same Pokémon on the team. But the Flint situation still remains an odd oversight to me.
to be fair, if we're hating on the gen 4 games for this, we should also criricize gen 1's Agatha and Lance for this. Agatha uses more poison types than ghost types, and lance has several mons that, although looking like dragons, aren't actually dragon type.
 
to be fair, if we're hating on the gen 4 games for this, we should also criricize gen 1's Agatha and Lance for this. Agatha uses more poison types than ghost types, and lance has several mons that, although looking like dragons, aren't actually dragon type.
I checked the script and Agatha isn't actually referred to as a Ghost specialist in gen 1 (Bruno isn't given a specific type in dialogue either), so I think she's in the clear.
Lance not so much.
 
to be fair, if we're hating on the gen 4 games for this, we should also criricize gen 1's Agatha and Lance for this. Agatha uses more poison types than ghost types, and lance has several mons that, although looking like dragons, aren't actually dragon type.

I'm not "hating" on the games, just stating a fact. I didn’t bring up Gen 1 because the thread is about Gen 4 remakes. Doesn’t mean that Gen 1 didn’t have an abysmal Pokémon distribution too.
It’s not "hating" to point out if something is intentional on the developer's part or a product of disproportionate type selection.
 
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