BDSP Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl General Discussion

[There Is No Arceus]

Yes, adding the new Pokemon to the Hoenn Dex would've been more ideal (why were there not more Ice, Ghost, and Dragon types added to the ORAS Hoenn Dex Game Freak?), but it's still something that was in Emerald that wasn't in RS, and anything would be better than nothing in this case.

back in the day, ice and dragon were powerful late game types that you'd only find if you went out of your way looking (dragon moreso than ice). this is how they were designed in gen 1, and i feel that they stuck to this idea until gen 5 when they abandoned it. no idea why ghost was routinely ignored though.

Kind of, it was Groudon and Kyogre fighting that triggered the disaster in Emerald. It is a bit questionable that they didn't start noticing Groudon's Drought after it awakened, but that could be explained by it being calmer until it encountered Kyogre.

that would go directly against what we saw in the earlier games though. groudon being released is supposed to cause intense sun and dry up all the oceans. team magma awakened it for the very purpose of causing the sea to dry up and create more land. why is it not doing this?

But then that also ties into it not making sense that Groudon is in Seafloor Cavern. Like @Norzan said, if they don't need to go to Seafloor Cavern to awaken Groudon, they don't need the submarine to get there.

true, i guess it's only sapphire that has the better plot. eh, that's the version i play anyways.

 

[Bolt Strike]

back in the day, ice and dragon were powerful late game types that you'd only find if you went out of your way looking (dragon moreso than ice). this is how they were designed in gen 1, and i feel that they stuck to this idea until gen 5 when they abandoned it. no idea why ghost was routinely ignored though.

Except that ORAS are Gen 6 games and they have more than enough Ice and Dragon types to fill out the roster. There's no excuse for having terrible variety like this with a pool of 721 Pokemon to choose from. Back with the originals it was more excusable (although they really should've avoided having specialists for those types if they just didn't have the Pokemon), but now there are far too many Pokemon to keep having these issues.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

That's true, but it's also a double-edged sword. Many of the new redesigns in ORAS were a downgrade, for example (imo).

My point is, sometimes the conservative approach of not giving characters redesigns can be better. Both situations are subjective though.

Doesn’t it work both ways if we use your argument? People who didn’t like the DPPt character designs have to stomach them for the second time with no creative elevation? Having two designs for a character statistically increases the probability that most people like at least one Design. Also, it just gives bonus creative points to just go back to the drawing board for a character after so many years.

"Do not give the characters redesigns because I may not like them" is a pretty weird reasoning, and a pretty drastic step to eliminate all creative work that goes in making a redesign. They can breathe fresh air into the characters. You cannot evaluate the quality of a redesign that doesn’t exist so this reasoning feels really weird to me.

 

[silurica]

Doesn’t it work both ways if we use your argument? People who didn’t like the DPPt character designs have to stomach them for the second time with no creative elevation? Having two designs for a character statistically increases the probability that most people like at least one Design. Also, it just gives bonus creative points to just go back to the drawing board for a character after so many years.

That reminds me I once someone who took design elements of new and old to make a sort of hybrid designs of their favorite characters. I thought it was pretty clever.

 

[FinnishPokéFan92]

It's not complex in the slightest. If anything it fixed problems with the story like Team Aqua trying to blow up a volcano (how does blowing up a volcano help with their goal of expanding the sea?) or Team Magma having a water base. Plus Groudon being in a underwater cavern makes no sense.

it's actually explained why team aqua wants to blow up the volcano. the crater will fill with rain and water pokemon can live there. it's a dumb reason, but hey, they're crazy. as for the magma base off the coast, well, where else would they store the submarine they're gonna take to reach Groudon?

I actually don't think they wanted to blow up the volcano at all. Just to make it dormant. A plan in which they actually succeed in Pokémon Adventures, although their reason for doing it is different there, and the volcano is restored later.

 

[Boss1708]

Doesn’t it work both ways if we use your argument? People who didn’t like the DPPt character designs have to stomach them for the second time with no creative elevation? Having two designs for a character statistically increases the probability that most people like at least one Design. Also, it just gives bonus creative points to just go back to the drawing board for a character after so many years.

"Do not give the characters redesigns because I may not like them" is a pretty weird reasoning, and a pretty drastic step to eliminate all creative work that goes in making a redesign. They can breathe fresh air into the characters. You cannot evaluate the quality of a redesign that doesn’t exist so this reasoning feels really weird to me.

You managed to somehow misrepresent what I said. I will go through my post, and show you the parts you seemingly missed or ignored:

That's true, but it's also a double-edged sword. Many of the new redesigns in ORAS were a downgrade, for example (imo). My point is, sometimes the conservative approach of not giving characters redesigns can be better. Both situations are subjective though.

Firstly, "a double-edged sword" is something that's problematic both ways. In other words, I am recognizing that not giving the characters new redesigns can also be problematic, hence why the sword is double-edged.

Second, I am explicitly saying this is just MY opinion.

Third, I repeat that the conservative approach of not giving characters redesigns CAN be better SOMETIMES, meaning "NOT ALWAYS".

Finally, I end up my entire post by saying that the whole concept of "good" designs and "bad" designs is subjective, so I am not saying that not redesigning the characters is an objectively better solution.

I hope you read my posts more carefully from now on, before criticizing them.

 

[EmCeeChupi the Undying]

More to the point is how cheap GF has become. Paid DLC for just Platinum content is a no no for me. I am a huge fan, but I also know when to draw the line.

I'm only willing to go to those lengths if they bring more Pokemon into the games.
Not doing it for just an actual Battle Frontier and other locations.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Finally, I end up my entire post by saying that the whole concept of "good" designs and "bad" designs is subjective, so I am not saying that not redesigning the characters is an objectively better solution.

It isn’t, I do agree designs are objective, and I very clearly red that it’s your opinion. I see your opinion is subjective and still be confused on the reasoning to reach said subjective opinions. The hostility is rather unwarranted.

My point is, sometimes the conservative approach of not giving characters redesigns can be better.

There’s literally no way of deducing that till we've seen the redesigns. I'm not sure I’m which situation exactly would the conversation approach be better, because like I said, there’s a statistically higher probability of people liking at least one design if there are two designs instead of one, and your entire reasoning to reach your opinion (ORAS designs being "bad") to extrapolate this to BDSP is kind of flimsy seeing that it’s entirely possible (and more likely) that the hypothetical BDSP designs won’t been be done by the ORAS people.

I know you posted your opinion, I'm just confused at your thought process. No need to accuse people of not reading your posts.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Doesn’t it work both ways if we use your argument? People who didn’t like the DPPt character designs have to stomach them for the second time with no creative elevation? Having two designs for a character statistically increases the probability that most people like at least one Design. Also, it just gives bonus creative points to just go back to the drawing board for a character after so many years.

This is just some statistics and not my own opinion.

 

[EmCeeChupi the Undying]

What I understand is that you've decided to die on the hill of BDSP being good.

I think the games are good solely based on the fact that my Smol Bean friend is available.
And the one that I fully evolved on my playthrough team has a Mild nature (+SpA, -SpD)

 

[charlycicero]

I'm only willing to go to those lengths if they bring more Pokemon into the games.
Not doing it for just an actual Battle Frontier and other locations.

Or for something similar to the Delta episode in ORAS. Evethough that one did come with the game already.

 

[Norzan]

That's an easy hill to die on, considering BDSP is the fastest selling remake sofar, doubling the sales of both ORAS and LGPE. I know this hurts the feelings of some people here, but it is what it is.

If this remake sold like shit, i would still criticize it. I don't care if something sells well or not when it comes to giving it praise or criticism.

In fact, some of my favorite games of all time sold like ass.

Imagine not being allowed to like BDSP in the BDSP section, of all places.

Who said you couldn't do this? Like it all you want, i have no issue. My issue is that any criticism, no matter how minor or major, you instantly jump in the game's defense. Might be an exaggeration, but that's what it feels like.

 

[Almonds]

BDSP is based on DP. DP was entertaining to begin with so BDSP was pretty much guaranteed to be an enjoyable game. A cute graphical shift and QoL upgrades here and there... it ticks all the boxes in order to be a commercially successful pokemon game.

What disappoints me personally is that BDSP does not offer more than DP. I know I keep bringing up ORAS and HGSS, but it is hard not to compare BDSP with them when those two remakes went the extra mile to offer more on top of the established games. Sure, ORAS doesn't have Battle Frontier - but aside from that, it offers so much more than RS.

 

[There Is No Arceus]

Imagine not being allowed to like BDSP in the BDSP section, of all places.

there's a difference between liking a game and treating it as if it's devoid of flaws. you seem to be doing the latter. it's possible to like something and still acknowledge that it's imperfect. i'm quite enjoying this game so far, despite its flaws.

 

[Bolt Strike]

BDSP is based on DP. DP was entertaining to begin with so BDSP was pretty much guaranteed to be an enjoyable game. A cute graphical shift and QoL upgrades here and there... it ticks all the boxes in order to be a commercially successful pokemon game.

What disappoints me personally is that BDSP does not offer more than DP. I know I keep bringing up ORAS and HGSS, but it is hard not to compare BDSP with them when those two remakes went the extra mile to offer more on top of the established games. Sure, ORAS doesn't have Battle Frontier - but aside from that, it offers so much more than RS.

ORAS actually kind of feels like it's midway between HGSS and BDSP. It adds a bunch of new things from RS, yes, but like BDSP, it also ignores almost everything from its third version. It's not just the Battle Frontier. The Emerald plot elements were largely gone, the Safari Zone expansion was gone, the new areas (Mirage Tower, Desert Underpass, Magma Hideout in Jagged Pass, Terra and Marine Caves) were gone, the Match Call was gone, gym leader rematches were gone, and Trainer Hill was gone. ORAS doesn't really compare positively to HGSS either. Basically, HGSS felt like a step forward, ORAS felt like one step forward and one step back, and BDSP felt like it didn't move at all. ORAS is certainly better than BDSP, but I don't think it should be painted in the same light as HGSS.

 

[Boss1708]

If this remake sold like shit, i would still criticize it. I don't care if something sells well or not when it comes to giving it praise or criticism.

In fact, some of my favorite games of all time sold like ass.


Who said you couldn't do this? Like it all you want, i have no issue. My issue is that any criticism, no matter how minor or major, you instantly jump in the game's defense. Might be an exaggeration, but that's what it feels like.

there's a difference between liking a game and treating it as if it's devoid of flaws. you seem to be doing the latter. it's possible to like something and still acknowledge that it's imperfect. i'm quite enjoying this game so far, despite its flaws.

This thread has literally become "The official BDSP hate thread" at this point. I hope you're enjoying that.

Keep blaming people like me for being positive about the game, while conveniently ignoring those who only comment to point out flaws in the game. I haven't seen you guys call them out even once.

That's called double standards.

 

[There Is No Arceus]

This thread has become "The official BDSP hate thread" at this point. I hope you're proud of this.

i don't hate BDSP. in fact, i'm quite enjoying it so far. the reason people are "ganging up on you" isn't because you like the game, it's because you refuse to admit that this game has any flaws at all.

 

[Boss1708]

i don't hate BDSP. in fact, i'm quite enjoying it so far. the reason people are "ganging up on you" isn't because you like the game, it's because you refuse to admit that this game has any flaws at all.

When have I said that BDSP is flawless lol? Have you asked me about my opinion on the flaws of BDSP?

Also, you say that you're enjoying BDSP and you don't hate the game, but you seem quite comfortable with everyone in this thread hating on BDSP 24/7, but when someone like me says something positive about the game, you jump to remind me that the game is not perfect.

Sounds like you're more comfortable with the people hating on the game, than you are with the people praising it...

 

[Bolt Strike]

This thread has literally become "The official BDSP hate thread" at this point. I hope you're enjoying that.

Keep blaming people like me for being positive about the game, while conveniently ignoring those who only comment to point out flaws in the game. I haven't seen you guys call them out even once.

That's called double standards.

Look at the pot calling the kettle black. You keep getting defensive over any kind of criticism towards the game and feel the need to jump on them and find reasons why they're wrong and the game is actually good. Worse yet, those reasons tend to be confusing, contradictory, or otherwise questionable, which is the real reason why others are responding to refute you. None of this means that you aren't allowed to like the game. Your opinions just aren't well supported.

 

[Boss1708]

Look at the pot calling the kettle black. You keep getting defensive over any kind of criticism towards the game and feel the need to jump on them and find reasons why they're wrong and the game is actually good.

Funnily enough, it's always one of you guys quoting me first, and not vice versa. Interesting isn't it?

This is probably my last post in this thread, so don't worry, I am going to let you guys hate BDSP in peace now. This is the BDSP hate thread, after all

Worse yet, those reasons tend to be confusing, contradictory, or otherwise questionable, which is the real reason why others are responding to refute you.

There is nothing confusing, contradictory or questionable about the reasons I gave in my posts, unless your IQ is incredibly low and you get easily confused by anything. Which I doubt.

And now, goodbye and happy hating on BDSP!