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Pokémon Evolution/Capture/Release Thread

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Well, now that Dento has a ishizuami, when do you think it'll evolve? To take a guess I think it'll probably evolve in between Ash's 5 and 6th badge, just a hunch I guess.

if at all. i think it will evolve really late or be like Brocks geodude and not evolve
 

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I actually think it'll evolve, but as far as Dento's pokémon go, I don't thin Yanappu will evolve. Especially since if they give Bel her game team, she would have its evo.

I think Kibago will be fully evolved (can't wait til it's in a pokéball...) so would Zuruggu (if she does get it). She'll probably catch a Crimgan along the way to complete her team...

Ash... in the best of all possible worlds, all three starters would go all the way, Mamepato would be released to be replaced by a more interesting flier and the croc would be oaked for a more unusual pokémon to take its place... but sadly I don't think it'll happen. So Pikachu, Kenhorou Janovy/Jalorda, Chaoboo, Daikenki, Waruvile, 1-2 reserves.

That's what I think.
 

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They don't have to show all of them

Which was sort of my point... I was answering to someone who was infering that the pokémon on that picture were the ones who would end up on the main cast... Doryuuzu and Ishizumai throw a wrench in that theory.
 

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It seems like in the Pokemon egg is Zurrugu, and Ash will give it to Iris, because he will catch the Megurocu from this episode!

That is what we can tell from the screen shots from BW20!
because it doesnt make sense taht the Meguroco is following Ash but will not be in his party!
 

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See, I hope the egg isn't Zuruggu. I feel like it's a waste giving Ash the egg in the first place if the pokemon was going to someone else. If the writers wanted Iris or Dento to have an egg pokemon, they should've given one of them an egg in the first place. I mean tbh, it's not really a big deal but it's still kinda unnecessary imo. Just let the captures of Meguroko and Zuruggu be simple: Meguroko is hatched, Zuruggu gets caught, done.

Besides, I think it's better if Iris catches Zuruggu. More screentime and development for her and probably Kibago. They need it. If Iris just so happens get Zuruggu in a Togepi like scenario...yeah, it's not as fulfilling as her catching Zuruggu and using Kibago.
 

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It seems like in the Pokemon egg is Zurrugu, and Ash will give it to Iris, because he will catch the Megurocu from this episode!

That is what we can tell from the screen shots from BW20!
because it doesnt make sense taht the Meguroco is following Ash but will not be in his party!

No one caught Jigglypuff, no one caught Spoink, no one Caught Wynaut, no one caught Hippopotas

just cause they meet it several times doesn't mean someone will get it...
 

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^In addition, there's no problem with there being multiples of a certain Pokemon appearing, and it clearly isn't something the writer's are shy about doing. Ash and Paul both wound up with a Torterra and a Gliscor, after all. Ash and Shooti both caught a Snivy. Ash caught a Tepig, but that doesn't appear to have stopped Bel from getting a Chaoboo. It's just part of the way the anime is.

That being the case, I see no reason to assume the Meguroco are one and the same, as the one with Ash doesn't have sunglasses and has a completely different personality from the one we're already acquainted with. Sure, you can try and argue that for some reason it's personality changes without it's glasses, but that's a silly defense at best--even for Pokemon, it's a bit much for a piece of clothing to completely change a character's personality like that. And even assuming that is the case, why would it ever take them off then? Does it lose them after it joins Ash? Then what would have been the point in even making it the same Meguroco in the first place, if it's personality does a 180 right after joining him? It might as well have just been a different Meguroco, which, like I mentioned, the writers have made clear time and time again they have no problem doing.

There's simply nothing linking the two Meguroco together for now--they have a cosmetic difference, a personality difference, and Ash was the one given the egg, with no indication as of this time that Iris will snatch it or anything (we know that she also gets a new Pokemon, but we're just as clueless about how she gets it as we are this Meguroco, and with several episode titles still not revealed between now and ~BW20, it's quite easy for her to get it in one of those episodes, and the Pokemon in Ash's egg... actually goes to him). As a result, especially when considering the series isn't shy about having multiple characters with the same Pokemon and the like, at least until I'm actually given good reason to think otherwise, it just seems far more likely that Ash's Meguroco will come from the egg and Glasses-Meguroco will end up going to Team Rocket or Shooti or something, if anyone.
 

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^In addition, there's no problem with there being multiples of a certain Pokemon appearing, and it clearly isn't something the writer's are shy about doing. Ash and Paul both wound up with a Torterra and a Gliscor, after all. Ash and Shooti both caught a Snivy. Ash caught a Tepig, but that doesn't appear to have stopped Bel from getting a Chaoboo. It's just part of the way the anime is.
Not that I'm disagreeing with your main post, I'm just going to disagree with the writer's choosing to give everyone the same Pokemon. It really is just annoying and boring. It would be nicer in my opinion if Ash's Oshawott was the only Oshawott in the anime (well in terms of importance), if Cheren enters or Toyou, Tokyo, or whatever "White's" name is with Futachimaru, I'm going to be livid. It's already bad enough with Shooti's Janovy, and Bel's Chaobuu. I'll only be okay with everyone getting Pokemon Ash has if it has no effect on his Pokemon's development.

Now I know there are examples like Paul and Ash having Torterra. But think for a moment. Shooti has Jalorda, Bel has Enbuoh, Cheren/Tokyo have Daikenki, what reason would the writer's have to give Ash a fully evolved starter if that was the case. Besides it seems obvious that Paul's Torterra was not really a focal Pokemon, unlike Shooti's Janovy, and Bel's Choabuu are. So it's really sickening that the writer's gave themselves an excuse not to evolve a Pokemon on Ash's team, all the way.

That being the case, I see no reason to assume the Meguroco are one and the same, as the one with Ash doesn't have sunglasses and has a completely different personality from the one we're already acquainted with.
With what I've seen I'm going to have to agree with this.

Sure, you can try and argue that for some reason it's personality changes without it's glasses, but that's a silly defense at best--even for Pokemon, it's a bit much for a piece of clothing to completely change a character's personality like that.
Except there are examples like that. It could be that the sunglasses represent Meguroco's bravery. Like maybe he/or she was nothing without them, but once he put them on it earned him/her respect from other Pokemon, thus the power of bravery came from the glasses. But without them he's just a normal non-brave Meguroco.

And even assuming that is the case, why would it ever take them off then? Does it lose them after it joins Ash? Then what would have been the point in even making it the same Meguroco in the first place, if it's personality does a 180 right after joining him?
Eh, I can see your point but at the same time...Character Development. I mean if Ash were to show Meguroco that it was brave and a strong Pokemon without the glasses, then perhaps, Meguroco wouldn't have such a personality it did in BW012. Maybe it would be confident and nice because Ash showed it was a strong Pokemon without glasses. Otherwise wouldn't it be boring if a Pokemon had no character flaws at all that they don't overcome?

It might as well have just been a different Meguroco, which, like I mentioned, the writers have made clear time and time again they have no problem doing.
I will agree with this for the majority of it. I feel that Ash getting his own brand new Meguroco would be better than if he were to catch the recurring one. Although unless Ash's Meguroco evolves fast, I don't really want to see SG Meguroco really again (except maybe one or two times after indicating it's related to hatched Meguroco). It served its purpose already.

There's simply nothing linking the two Meguroco together for now--they have a cosmetic difference, a personality difference, and Ash was the one given the egg, with no indication as of this time that Iris will snatch it or anything (we know that she also gets a new Pokemon, but we're just as clueless about how she gets it as we are this Meguroco, and with several episode titles still not revealed between now and ~BW20, it's quite easy for her to get it in one of those episodes, and the Pokemon in Ash's egg... actually goes to him). As a result, especially when considering the series isn't shy about having multiple characters with the same Pokemon and the like, at least until I'm actually given good reason to think otherwise, it just seems far more likely that Ash's Meguroco will come from the egg
I have to agree in that I dislike the SG's Meguroco showing up since people are so adamant that he'll catch it while Iris will get the egg Pokemon. Except for the fact she DOESN'T deserve said Pokemon. If the egg ends up being Zuruggu, I'll be pissed with Sonada for making BW012 centered around Ash and giving it to Ash if the Pokemon ends up with someone else.

Story twists be damned.

and Glasses-Meguroco will end up going to Team Rocket
I would disagree because of Pikachu, but then again Ash has done nothing but use Pikachu in every little thing and Team Rocket using a ground type would force Ash to use another Pokemon.
 

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All these random Pokemon make me suspicious

But the lack of Meguroco, Yanappu, Ishizumai, Doryuzu, and Zuruggu make me not sure
 

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in all honesty with it all ive seen the stills and i am not completely sure zuruggu is Iris's. what if it is Ash's and megurocco is iris's to start with im throwing it out there that we could have another trade possibly but im happy Ash is Adding a new type to his repertoire
 

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All these random Pokemon make me suspicious

But the lack of Meguroco, Yanappu, Ishizumai, Doryuzu, and Zuruggu make me not sure

Yeah. I'd pass that off as an early-stage ad for the show.

Anyway, eggs in the cartoon have the coloring and pattern of whatever Pokémon is inside. It's clear that this series will have only new Pokémon, so one of those that's brownish with darker-colored patches.
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Um, not quite right from my POV (the 'Dex calls it yellow), but I can't think of any other candidates.
 

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We always get random anime pictures with the random assortments of Pokemon, so I wouldn't put too much thought into it.
 

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So it's really sickening that the writer's gave themselves an excuse not to evolve a Pokemon on Ash's team, all the way.

The only one I would fear for of the three starers not evolving at all is Snivy since it beat the tar out of Shooti's Janovy a few episodes back, any time a pokemon beats it's evo in battle, that means evolution is likely not to happen as the pokemon has proven it is strong in it's base form and it doesn't necessarly need to evolve as a result.

Pikachu, Piplup and Buizel off the top of my head are three good examples of this, they beat thier evos in important fights, and they never evolved, If Pokabu or Miju were capable of facing down thier evo's and beat them like Snivy did, then they too would come under fire, thankfully Mijumaru's "smart" enough to know not to face it's evo, and Pokabu needs training big time before it fights again.

I have to agree in that I dislike the SG's Meguroco showing up since people are so adamant that he'll catch it while Iris will get the egg Pokemon. Except for the fact she DOESN'T deserve said Pokemon. If the egg ends up being Zuruggu, I'll be pissed with Sonada for making BW012 centered around Ash and giving it to Ash if the Pokemon ends up with someone else.

Story twists be damned.

Suprises are better than overpredictability.

twelve episodes in and we pretty much know what Ash's roster is gonna be for the majority of the region unless thier's an sudden oak or release situation, I'd say i'd prefer the plot twist method as apposed to predictibility.

Say what you will about the sketch leaks, even if they hadn't happened we had the toy scan leak not too far off afterwords, and i'd rather Ash catch a croc that we know has a good personality (and shades which make anything cool.) rather than a bland fused ripoff child of the two egg pokemon from Jouto.

I'll say this though, if Iris "gets Zuruggu from the egg.", then I don't really see Ash "handing" it to her, I see her doing what Misty did, either that or something random happens during the hatching like someone bumps into another person, bumping into Iris and the egg and she catches before it hits the ground and it right as it hatches.
 

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You mean even if we find out that SG's Meguroco is the hatched Meguroco's parent, and which was the reason it was in the episode, looking for it's egg but Caretaker lady thought it was an abandoned egg and took it and kept it.

Or what about SG Meguroco using stone edge, what if hatched Meguroco has that move as well.

Why would they introduce its parent though? If that's the case, I sorta expect Ash's croc to stay for a short stint before it'd be reunited with Daddy Croc (who'd probably evolve to save its kid from XYZ) and Ash would release it.

I actually wouldn't mind that. Redundant predictable pokémon leaving the main cast as fast as they came to make room for a more interesting pokémon is fine by me.

Speaking of releases... Mamepato... please... go... now....

The only one I would fear for of the three starers not evolving at all is Snivy since it beat the tar out of Shooti's Janovy a few episodes back.

It think they'll all evolve, just not all three all the way. I'm pretty sure Miju will go all the way and so will either Tsutarja or Pokabu, while the other would stay in its middle form.
 

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Pikachu, Piplup and Buizel off the top of my head are three good examples of this, they beat thier evos in important fights, and they never evolved,

Seriously that isn't much of an arguement. The only other one besides those three is Croagunk. Buizel is the only one that didn't play a role that didn't allow it to evolve. Pikachu and Piplup were mascots and Croagunk was a semi mascot. Buizel is the only one but the writers always decide not to evolve Ash's main water types(hopefully miju is the exception). I believe that by the end of Best Wishes all three starters will be fuly evolved
 

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Suprises are better than overpredictability.
Is it a surprise though when a lot of people are predicting it? It's not the most obvious way to capture a pokemon but at this point, if the egg does become Iris' it wouldn't be a surprise. Especially when people are posting pics to compare colors between the egg and Zuruggu. Imo, I just think it's unnecessary to have Ash get it the egg in the first place if it is supposed to go to Iris. I mean, let Iris get it herself then. Let her be the star this past episode instead of Ash. We don't need to see a rehash of the Togepi situation. And here I thought people were against rehashes.

twelve episodes in and we pretty much know what Ash's roster is gonna be for the majority of the region unless thier's an sudden oak or release situation, I'd say i'd prefer the plot twist method as apposed to predictibility.
I would think there would be someone getting Oak'd. I wouldn't say the starters or Mamepato but the wildcard could always be Oak'd and Ash can get another one. I mean Ash has used 2 wildcards in recent series. AG had Glalie and Donphan while DP had Gliscor and Gible.

Say what you will about the sketch leaks, even if they hadn't happened we had the toy scan leak not too far off afterwords, and i'd rather Ash catch a croc that we know has a good personality (and shades which make anything cool.) rather than a bland fused ripoff child of the two egg pokemon from Jouto.
The fault with this argument is that if Ash does catch SG Meguroko, the outcome will be the same. If it loses its glasses it becomes like a scared child. Then later Ash has to work with it to make it confident. We're going to get the same scenario either way. I don't see the difference if it was a baby Meguroko instead (other than being a baby).

I'll say this though, if Iris "gets Zuruggu from the egg.", then I don't really see Ash "handing" it to her, I see her doing what Misty did, either that or something random happens during the hatching like someone bumps into another person, bumping into Iris and the egg and she catches before it hits the ground and it right as it hatches.
Again, it just seems pretty much like "really?" when the writers can think of much better ways for a Zuruggu capture.

You know, with talk about how Iris needs to do something, I'm surprised people are more willing to think that the egg will go to her a la Togepi and they're not hoping for her to get some character development through actual captures.

Not that I'm desperate for Iris screentime but by the way people are talking about her not doing much, it's surprising that people aren't speculating captures as a way to fulfill that. I'm not gonna lie, I feel like the fandom is so confusing at times and so contradictory too (generally, not towards a specific person).
 

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It is stupid that he has the same pokemon that follows them arround! and the color of the egg is a little strange!

I think they will make a good plot out of it! we will see!
 

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Is it a surprise though when a lot of people are predicting it?
Exactly, in that case nothing is a surprise or predictable because as long as one person thinks of it, then it won't be a surprise to me.

Imo, I just think it's unnecessary to have Ash get it the egg in the first place if it is supposed to go to Iris. I mean, let Iris get it herself then. Let her be the star this past episode instead of Ash. We don't need to see a rehash of the Togepi situation. And here I thought people were against rehashes.
Exactly my point. See people bring up the fact that eggs have been on here before in the series thus there needs to be a shaken up plot. Except what people fail to realize, Iris already has an egg Pokemon, Kibago (it has to be an egg Pokemon if it was only one day, so far live birth hasn't even been implied in the anime, outside of Cubone). Ash hasn't had an egg Pokemon in almost a decade, I think it's time Ash gets another one, especially if the series is going to focus more on him than anyone else.

I would think there would be someone getting Oak'd.
I would agree but the writers became allergic to it after Johto ended. Honestly I have to wonder why a major feature of the game hasn't been portrayed since Krabby's capture. I thought they would've liked to rehash that idea for the hilarity, but no it's all been one giant coincidence that a Pokemon gets released and said character has a slot open. Dawn suffered it more than Ash seeing as Ambipom was a straight out release and not some training thing.

The fault with this argument is that if Ash does catch SG Meguroko, the outcome will be the same.
Again I agree. It it is far less predictable that Ash would get a hatched Meguroco then Sunglasses Meguroco. Ignoring the egg for a moment, everything seems to scream ASH WILL GET SUNGLASSES MEGUROCO. How anyone finds that less predictable then Ash getting it from the egg is beyond me since as I said Ash hasn't had an egg Pokemon for pretty much almost a decade.

If it loses its glasses it becomes like a scared child. Then later Ash has to work with it to make it confident. We're going to get the same scenario either way. I don't see the difference if it was a baby Meguroko instead (other than being a baby).
I agree and similar to my post with Shiron, I can't wrap around people's contradictory opinions. On one scale they are sick and tired of Deus Ex Machina, Pokemon with little personality and given to Ash just so he has a strong Pokemon (although NOWHERE NEAR THE LEVEL OF PAUL'S URSARING). That's exactly what SG Meguroco is ignoring any personality switcharoos. I mean sure it has personality but it seems like it's solely a battle monster, nothing to really develop as it only has evolution to look forward to.

On the other side of the scale, people want Pokemon to be developed not just through evolution. And with the information we have so far that applies to both Sunglasses Meguroco (if it's personality does a 180), and hatched Meguroco.

So then one really has to think, which is the preferable choice, the lesser of two evils so to speak.

Sunglasses Meguroco- You want to choose a Pokemon that seems Deus Ex Machina, because it really has nothing to develop outside of it completely changing it's personality into a coward because of the Sunglasses gave its bravery. And Ash has to overcome it.

or

Hatched Meguroco- We know nothing of it's personality because we haven't exactly seen it in action, and for all we know doesn't even exist. But suppose it does exist, it'll be comparable to Iris's Kibago, and Ash can prove her wrong by making Meguroco battle more and getting strong in it's own way. It's a coward outside of that one sketch which made it look like it has a similar personality to sunglasses Meguroco since it seemed pretty pissed in that one photo (assuming I interpreted the sketch correctly). Hatched Meguroco won't be Deus Ex Machina or seem like one because it's hatched and still needs to develop it. The only downside is that it would evolve most likely at a later time than if it was Sunglasses Meguroco, then again the writer's can make it evolve whenever they want.

And also which is less predictable for Ash: Wild Pokemon or Egg Pokemon.

Again, it just seems pretty much like "really?" when the writers can think of much better ways for a Zuruggu capture.
You know, with talk about how Iris needs to do something, I'm surprised people are more willing to think that the egg will go to her a la Togepi and they're not hoping for her to get some character development through actual captures.
Exactly if Iris wants to be a likable character in my eyes she actually needs to step up to the plate and stop "piggy-backing" on the writer's decisions to hand her freebie after freebie. I think I would be fond of Iris if she had another episode devoted to her while she bonded with Zuruggu in the normal way. So far the only Pokemon Iris seems to care about is Kibago, and yet she hasn't done anything of real importance since BW009. Giving her the Pokemon inside Ash's egg, just proves that the writers aren't going to do anything with Iris, and she's just going to sit "pretty" in the background. And if that's the case I'll be surprised if Kibago evolves all the way. Since it seems like Kibago is only going to evolve on its own without Iris.

Iris talks about how Ash is such a child, but at least Ash is actively doing something, unlike Iris who appears to be the annoying backseat driver.

I'm not gonna lie, I feel like the fandom is so confusing at times and so contradictory too (generally, not towards a specific person).

Precisely. I see people complaining about something and saying they want something different. A change of pace. But when there is a change of pace, those same exact people complain and want things back to how it was.

Granted I may have partially done it but so far the only thing I can think of doing that with is Ash's team. But of course that was obviously going to change since most of my early predictions was prior to certain things. Prior to the Pokemon being revealed. Prior to the knowledge Ash was going to catch all three starters, etc, etc.

And I can see how as time passes by, opinions on things are bound to change, but the fandom seems too fickle, I honestly don't think it knows what it wants. And I actually can see why that happens. Everyone thinks they'll know what to do when an unknown situation happens, like I'm going to kick ass if someone were to pull a gun on me. Except that might not actually happen. I might actually pee my pants and beg for my life and be a complete coward.

I think it's a similar situation, people can't pre-judge situations with great accuracy and when it happens they are way off mark. For all we know Ash with a Daikenki might actually be a mistake. Maybe when he does get it and we're all like "Wait, what, this isn't what I expected, no, darn it writer's why did you give Ash Daikenki?" The good news though is sometimes it happens in reverse. Oh no why did Ash get a hatched Meguroco. Then after awhile, LOL, my geez, why did I ever think this was such a bad idea. Hatched Meguroco is just so damn great. Sunglasses Meguroco can't even compare. I'm so glad he got the hatched Meguroco.
 
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