Pokémon Evolution/Capture/Release Thread

[marshiyanmisuta]

Please provide the line of dialogue that specifically said this.

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[FinnishPokéFan92]

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Note how she's not referring to the Beast Balls being designed for temporary captures. She only says that their plan is to only catch them temporarily, and the Beast Balls make catching them easier.

 

[Neo Blaze]

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That line is specifically talking about Buzzwole, not about Poipole. It doesn't even say anything about Beast Balls specifically only being for temporary captures. But let me reiterate:

And even if what you said is true, that doesn't automatically mean it isn't Ash's Pokémon. He caught it in a type of Poké Ball, it was consistently shown to be part of his active team.

 

[marshiyanmisuta]

That line is specifically talking about Buzzwole

No, she's talking about Ultra Beasts in general.

And even if what you said is true, that doesn't automatically mean it isn't Ash's Pokémon. He caught it in a type of Poké Ball

Mewtwo caught Pikachu by using a type of monster ball, was that a real capture?

it was consistently shown to be part of his active team.

His active team? He didn't use it in any battles.

Note how she's not referring to the Beast Balls being designed for temporary captures. She only says that their plan is to only catch them temporarily, and the Beast Balls make catching them easier.

If Ultra Ball captures counts as an actual capture, then other UBs are captured too. If they don't count, then Poipole too shouldn't count as a capture,

 

[Neo Blaze]

No, she's talking about Ultra Beasts in general.

"You want us to get it?"

"It's just a temporary capture".

You are twisting words. The Beast Ball was never said to be for temporary captures ONLY.

Mewtwo caught Pikachu by using a type of monster ball, was that a real capture?

No, because Mewtwo isn't a human or a Pokémon Trainer.

His active team? He didn't use it in any battles.

That's.... not at argument at all..... Pokémon are more than battles. Brock was never shown to use Comfey in a battle so I guess Brock doesn't own a Comfey. Besides, Naganadel is going to be used in a Pokémon battle very soon so that alone renders this argument completely pointless.

By any account, Poipole isn't any different than Rowlet, Torracat, Lycanroc or Melmetal. If you are denying that you are denying in-universe rules and facts. I'm going to leave it at that.

 

[FinnishPokéFan92]

If Ultra Ball captures counts as an actual capture, then other UBs are captured too. If they don't count, then Poipole too shouldn't count as a capture,

No. The type of the ball doesn't designate whether the capture is temporary or not. It's the conditions around it. In Poipole's case, it was owned for multiple episodes and formed an emotional bond with Ash. The other UBs, on the other hand, were caught for less than an episode and didn't form any sort of emotional connection with their captors.

 

[marshiyanmisuta]

It's the conditions around it. In Poipole's case, it was owned for multiple episodes and formed an emotional bond with Ash. The other UBs, on the other hand, were caught for less than an episode and didn't form any sort of emotional connection with their captors.

Tauros and Beedrill says hi.

 

[FinnishPokéFan92]

Tauros and Beedrill says hi.

Ash has easily owned Tauros long enough for them to be considered his Pokémon and have at least some kind of connection with him. Beedrill was with Ash only momentarily before he gave it to someone else whom he knew would appreciate it more, so yeah, he didn't have any time to bond with it, but he didn't need to, since it was clearly from the start written to be given to Casey and not Ash, so it was only for the better that he hadn't had any time to connect with it.

 

[marshiyanmisuta]

Beedrill was with Ash only momentarily before he gave it to someone else whom he knew would appreciate it more, so yeah, he didn't have any time to bond with it, but he didn't need to, since it was clearly from the start written to be given to Casey and not Ash, so it was only for the better that he hadn't had any time to connect with it.

So? It's still counted as his pokémon, hence "given away."

Ash has easily owned Tauros long enough for them to be considered his Pokémon and have at least some kind of connection with him.

They counted as his pokémon even before he seen them again.

 

[FinnishPokéFan92]

So? It's still counted as his pokémon, hence "given away."

I know. Bulbapedia's definition of "temporary" Pokémon includes borrowed Pokémon, Pokémon that are caught and released within one episode, but not Pokémon that are given away.

They counted as his pokémon even before he seen them again.

They were counted as his non-temporary Pokémon because he caught them and hadn't released them by the end of their debut episode.

 

[marshiyanmisuta]

I know. Bulbapedia's definition of "temporary" Pokémon includes borrowed Pokémon, Pokémon that are caught and released within one episode, but not Pokémon that are given away. They were counted as his non-temporary Pokémon because he caught them and hadn't released them by the end of their debut episode.

None of those sounds like an argument to me. What are you implying?

 

[FinnishPokéFan92]

None of those sounds like an argument to me. What are you implying?

I'm trying to figure out what you meant by

Tauros and Beedrill says hi.

 

[marshiyanmisuta]

I'm trying to figure out what you meant by Tauros and Beedrill says hi.

It's the conditions around it. In Poipole's case, it was owned for multiple episodes and formed an emotional bond with Ash. The other UBs, on the other hand, were caught for less than an episode and didn't form any sort of emotional connection with their captors.

Tauros and Beedrill says hi.

 

[marshiyanmisuta]

The Tauros are still officially registered to Ash's Pokeballs

And Ultra Balls lacks that. Which what makes them different from other balls.

 

[marshiyanmisuta]

Says who? You? I don't recall your opinion counting without facts to back it up.

Because they're randomly given to all Ultra Guardians in a box, which means they can't be separately registered to different users.

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[FinnishPokéFan92]

Beedrill is a bit confusing hence it's been given a special "Given Away" category. It'd technically be Ash's Pokemon but under different ownership... but considering the Pokemon was caught in a competition and with the possible intention of contestants releasing it, I doubt it would count as 'owned' by Ash. Not to mention he never even intended to own it in the first place. I guess mental motivation counts as well.

Based on the fact that Beedrill was transferred to a regular Poké Ball after Ash won, I think the Park Balls in the anime are only designed as temporary capture devices, with the winner's Pokémon being placed in a regular Poké Ball after the contest to show that they're allowed to keep it as one of their prizes.

Because they're randomly given to all Ultra Guardians in a box, which means they can't be separately registered to different users.

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That's not what they've said. It's just that usually the UB captures are done by the UGs as a team, so no one technically has the UBs in their personal party. But with Poipole, Lusamine specifically asked Ash to be the one take care of Poipole, so it wasn't a team capture, it was a personal capture for Ash.

 

[marshiyanmisuta]

Jesus, you're persistently annoying aren't you?

It's interesting that you personally attack me for me having a different opinion, and someone like that post. Sad, really...

It's never said that the balls themselves are registered to the trainer

Normal monster balls are registered to the user, otherwise they wouldn't automatically teleport Krabby to Oak's lab.

But with Poipole, Lusamine specifically asked Ash to be the one take care of Poipole, so it wasn't a team capture, it was a personal capture for Ash.

Temporarily, not to mention he used the same balls they used to capture UBs.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

@martianmister first of all you seem to be mistaking us with the bulbapedia authors. We (at least I) aren’t the authors of the article and may not necessarily agree with what Bulbapedia classes as a capture. Nor it it a binding authority. It can be a bit arbitrary at times imo.

Mao didn't catch Shaymin with any ball, yet she's using it as her own pokémon.
UGs spent time, use and bond with UG pokémon, yet they don't count as theirs.
Nebby and Poipole were pretty similar, yet one count as capture, other didn't.

Mallow doesn’t officially own Shaymin. It isn’t in a Pokeball. The Alola league's rules are so iffy that they allowed Shaymin battling.
UG Pokémon are rentals alloted to fly to the desired destination.
Nebby was never caught in a Pokeball. Poipole was.

Mewtwo caught Pikachu by using a type of monster ball, was that a real capture?

It was a specialised Pokeball meant for cloning purposes and explicitly meant to overcome to capture mechanism.
The Beast Ball is designed as a normal Pokeball with special effectiveness against UBs.

If Ultra Ball captures counts as an actual capture, then other UBs are captured too. If they don't count, then Poipole too shouldn't count as a capture,

They’re temporary non-individual captures quickly released. You’re free to argue on Bulbapedia with the page authors on why they classed the things as they do.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Normal monster balls are registered to the user, otherwise they wouldn't automatically teleport Krabby to Oak's lab.

We don’t have enough evidence to determine that. For all we know the Pokedex is a requirement in the registration process, which I think is likely, given how widespread and ubiquitous the use of Pokeballs is, and the logistical difficulties that come with tracking each one with its respective trainer.

Krabby was simply transferred when the Pokedex detected more than 6 Pokemon registered in active party with Ash, since it has been nowhere implied in the franchise that Pokeballs can communicate and teleport from labs without any external devices.

 

[marshiyanmisuta]

@martianmister first of all you seem to be mistaking us with the bulbapedia authors. We (at least I) aren’t the authors of the article and may not necessarily agree with what Bulbapedia classes as a capture. Nor it it a binding authority. It can be a bit arbitrary at times imo.

I find it funny that a case discussed here numerous times is suddenly a bulbapedia problem now, despite of how I never used it as a proof and criticized it, myself, many times before. And what do you mean by "us"? My argument is that if Poipole is a legit capture, then other UBs, captured by same type of ball, too should count as such; it doesn't matter how they bonded, how much time they spent with each other, a capture is a capture. And no one gave me any reason to doubt that.