News Pokémon from Gens VI&VII found to be in disorder in the internal code

[Nicolas721]

Hi guys. For those of us who like beta stuff & data, an interesting piece of news has arrived, and while it's not as juicy as the GS beta release I think it deserves some attention.

With the reveal of

Spoiler: Let's Go/Go spoiler

Meltan having the number 891 in Go assets.

it has been revealed that from Gen 6 onwards, in the asset numbers, Pokemon don't occupy their National Dex number but a different spot, which is between 701-800 for Pokemon in Gen VI and between 801-900 for Pokemon in Gen VII. Also, they are in a completely different order as shown below, credits to Serebii for making the list and posting it on Reddit.

Spoiler: Gen VI list

Left is Asset Number, right is National Pokédex number
0701 - #676 Furfrou
0702 - #708 Phantump
0703 - #709 Trevenant
0704 - #667 Litleo
0705 - #668 Pyroar
0706 - #664 Scatterbug
0707 - #665 Spewpa
0708 - #666 Vivillon
0709 - #690 Skrelp
0710 - #691 Dragalge
0711 - #659 Bunnelby
0712 - #660 Diggersby
0713 - #669 Flabébé
0714 - #670 Floette
0715 - #671 Florges
0716 - #714 Noibat
0717 - #653 Fennekin
0718 - #654 Braixen
0719 - #655 Delphox
0720 - #650 Chespin
0721 - #651 Quilladin
0722 - #652 Chesnaught
0723 - #656 Froakie
0724 - #657 Frogadier
0725 - #658 Greninja
0726 - #686 Inkay
0727 - #687 Malamar
0728 - #672 Skiddo
0729 - #673 Gogoat
0730 - #675 Pangoro
0731 - #694 Helioptile
0732 - #695 Heliolisk
0733 - #677 Espurr
0734 - #678 Meowstic
0735 - #710 Pumpkaboo
0736 - #711 Gourgeist
0737 - #696 Tyrunt
0738 - #697 Tyrantrum
0739 - #698 Amaura
0740 - #699 Aurorus
0741 - #702 Dedenne
0742 - #684 Swirlix
0743 - #685 Slurpuff
0744 - #679 Honedge
0745 - #680 Doublade
0746 - #681 Aegislash
0747 - #688 Binacle
0748 - #689 Barbaracle
0749 - #712 Bergmite
0750
0751 - #713 Avalugg
0752 - #674 Pancham
0753 - #661 Fletchling
0754 - #662 Fletchinder
0755 - #663 Talonflame
0756 - #692 Clauncher
0757 - #693 Clawitzer
0758 - #682 Spritzee
0759 - #683 Aromatisse
0760 - #707 Klefki
0761 - #701 Hawlucha
0762 - #715 Noivern
0763 - #704 Goomy
0764 - #705 Sliggoo
0765 - #706 Goodra
0766 - #703 Carbink
0767 - #700 Sylveon
0768 - #716 Xerneas
0769 - #717 Yveltal
0770 - #718 Zygarde
0771
0772 - #719 Diancie
0773 - #721 Volcanion
0774 - #720 Hoopa
0775
0776
0777
0778
0779
0780
0781
0782
0783
0784
0785
0786
0787
0788
0789
0790
0791
0792
0793
0794
0795
0796
0797
0798
0799

Spoiler: Gen VII list

Left is Asset Number, right is National Pokédex number
0801 - #747 Mareanie
0802 - #748 Toxapex
0803 - #755 Morelull
0804 - #756 Shiinotic
0805 - #757 Salandit
0806 - #758 Salazzle
0807 - #731 Pikipek
0808 - #732 Trumbeak
0809 - #733 Toucannon
0810 - #765 Oranguru
0811 - #775 Komala
0812 - #761 Bounsweet
0813 - #762 Steenee
0814 - #763 Tsareena
0815 - #766 Passimian
0816 - #782 Jangmo-o
0817 - #783 Hakamo-o
0818 - #784 Kommo-o
0819 - #778 Mimikyu
0820 - #746 Wishiwashi
0821 - #771 Pyukumuku
0822 - #769 Sandygast
0823 - #770 Palossand
0824 - #774 Minior
0825 - #741 Oricorio
0826 - #734 Yungoos
0827 - #735 Gumshoos
0828 - #744 Rockruff
0829 - #745 Lycanroc
0830 - #785 Tapu Koko
0831 - #786 Tapu Lele
0832 - #787 Tapu Bulu
0833 - #788 Tapu Fini
0834 - #742 Cutiefly
0835 - #743 Ribombee
0836 - #736 Grubbin
0837 - #737 Charjabug
0838 - #738 Vikavolt
0839 - #749 Mudbray
0840 - #750 Mudsdale
0841 - #722 Rowlet
0842 - #723 Dartrix
0843 - #724 Decidueye
0844 - #725 Litten
0845 - #726 Torracat
0846 - #727 Incineroar
0847 - #728 Popplio
0848 - #729 Brionne
0849 - #730 Primarina
0850 - #751 Dewpider
0851 - #752 Araquanid
0852 - #759 Stufful
0853 - #760 Bewear
0854 - #776 Turtonator
0855 - #779 Bruxish
0856 - #780 Drampa
0857 - #781 Dhelmise
0858
0859 - #739 Crabrawler
0860 - #740 Crabominable
0861 - #772 Type: Null
0862 - #773 Silvally
0863 - #764 Comfey
0864
0865 - #800 Necrozma
0866 - #767 Wimpod
0867 - #768 Golisopod
0868 - #753 Fomantis
0869 - #754 Lurantis
0870
0871 - #789 Cosmog
0872 - #790 Cosmoem
0873 - #791 Solgaleo
0874 - #792 Lunala
0875 - #793 Nihilego
0876 - #799 Guzzlord
0877 - #794 Buzzwole
0878 - #796 Xurkitree
0879 - #795 Pheromosa
0880 - #798 Kartana
0881 - #797 Celesteela
0882 - #801 Magearna
0883 - #802 Marshadow
0884 - #805 Stakataka
0885 - #806 Blacephalon
0886 - #803 Poipole
0887 - #804 Naganadel
0888 - #807 Zeraora

What I find the most interesting is that the two Pokemon leading the lists represent key mechanics and themes from the region they belong. Furfrou represents stylishness, customization, beauty and, well, France, from Kalos, while Mareanie represents invasion, sea, tropical environments, invasion and SOS battles from Alola.

Were the Pokemon introduced in the order they were designed, like it apparently happened in Gen I?
Did Bergmite have a middle evolution that was scrapped?
Why is Necrozma before UBs, the Nebby family and even some common mons?

I'd love to hear your thoughts or theories!

Spoiler: Let's Go/Go spoiler

This thread isn't to discuss the controversy of Meltan's number and its generation, you can do that here. That's why I didn't post that part of the list.

 

[BlueWaves]

What does Asset number mean?

 

[Nicolas721]

What does Asset number mean?

I'm not sure, but I think it's the number where a 3D model is stored.

 

[RileyXY1]

Hi guys. For those of us who like beta stuff & data, an interesting piece of news has arrived, and while it's not as juicy as the GS beta release I think it deserves some attention.

With the reveal of

Spoiler: Let's Go/Go spoiler

Meltan having the number 891 in Go assets.

it has been revealed that from Gen 6 onwards, in the asset numbers, Pokemon don't occupy their National Dex number but a different spot, which is between 701-800 for Pokemon in Gen VI and between 801-900 for Pokemon in Gen VII. Also, they are in a completely different order as shown below, credits to Serebii for making the list and posting it on Reddit.

Spoiler: Gen VI list

Left is Asset Number, right is National Pokédex number
0701 - #676 Furfrou
0702 - #708 Phantump
0703 - #709 Trevenant
0704 - #667 Litleo
0705 - #668 Pyroar
0706 - #664 Scatterbug
0707 - #665 Spewpa
0708 - #666 Vivillon
0709 - #690 Skrelp
0710 - #691 Dragalge
0711 - #659 Bunnelby
0712 - #660 Diggersby
0713 - #669 Flabébé
0714 - #670 Floette
0715 - #671 Florges
0716 - #714 Noibat
0717 - #653 Fennekin
0718 - #654 Braixen
0719 - #655 Delphox
0720 - #650 Chespin
0721 - #651 Quilladin
0722 - #652 Chesnaught
0723 - #656 Froakie
0724 - #657 Frogadier
0725 - #658 Greninja
0726 - #686 Inkay
0727 - #687 Malamar
0728 - #672 Skiddo
0729 - #673 Gogoat
0730 - #675 Pangoro
0731 - #694 Helioptile
0732 - #695 Heliolisk
0733 - #677 Espurr
0734 - #678 Meowstic
0735 - #710 Pumpkaboo
0736 - #711 Gourgeist
0737 - #696 Tyrunt
0738 - #697 Tyrantrum
0739 - #698 Amaura
0740 - #699 Aurorus
0741 - #702 Dedenne
0742 - #684 Swirlix
0743 - #685 Slurpuff
0744 - #679 Honedge
0745 - #680 Doublade
0746 - #681 Aegislash
0747 - #688 Binacle
0748 - #689 Barbaracle
0749 - #712 Bergmite
0750
0751 - #713 Avalugg
0752 - #674 Pancham
0753 - #661 Fletchling
0754 - #662 Fletchinder
0755 - #663 Talonflame
0756 - #692 Clauncher
0757 - #693 Clawitzer
0758 - #682 Spritzee
0759 - #683 Aromatisse
0760 - #707 Klefki
0761 - #701 Hawlucha
0762 - #715 Noivern
0763 - #704 Goomy
0764 - #705 Sliggoo
0765 - #706 Goodra
0766 - #703 Carbink
0767 - #700 Sylveon
0768 - #716 Xerneas
0769 - #717 Yveltal
0770 - #718 Zygarde
0771
0772 - #719 Diancie
0773 - #721 Volcanion
0774 - #720 Hoopa
0775
0776
0777
0778
0779
0780
0781
0782
0783
0784
0785
0786
0787
0788
0789
0790
0791
0792
0793
0794
0795
0796
0797
0798
0799

Spoiler: Gen VII list

Left is Asset Number, right is National Pokédex number
0801 - #747 Mareanie
0802 - #748 Toxapex
0803 - #755 Morelull
0804 - #756 Shiinotic
0805 - #757 Salandit
0806 - #758 Salazzle
0807 - #731 Pikipek
0808 - #732 Trumbeak
0809 - #733 Toucannon
0810 - #765 Oranguru
0811 - #775 Komala
0812 - #761 Bounsweet
0813 - #762 Steenee
0814 - #763 Tsareena
0815 - #766 Passimian
0816 - #782 Jangmo-o
0817 - #783 Hakamo-o
0818 - #784 Kommo-o
0819 - #778 Mimikyu
0820 - #746 Wishiwashi
0821 - #771 Pyukumuku
0822 - #769 Sandygast
0823 - #770 Palossand
0824 - #774 Minior
0825 - #741 Oricorio
0826 - #734 Yungoos
0827 - #735 Gumshoos
0828 - #744 Rockruff
0829 - #745 Lycanroc
0830 - #785 Tapu Koko
0831 - #786 Tapu Lele
0832 - #787 Tapu Bulu
0833 - #788 Tapu Fini
0834 - #742 Cutiefly
0835 - #743 Ribombee
0836 - #736 Grubbin
0837 - #737 Charjabug
0838 - #738 Vikavolt
0839 - #749 Mudbray
0840 - #750 Mudsdale
0841 - #722 Rowlet
0842 - #723 Dartrix
0843 - #724 Decidueye
0844 - #725 Litten
0845 - #726 Torracat
0846 - #727 Incineroar
0847 - #728 Popplio
0848 - #729 Brionne
0849 - #730 Primarina
0850 - #751 Dewpider
0851 - #752 Araquanid
0852 - #759 Stufful
0853 - #760 Bewear
0854 - #776 Turtonator
0855 - #779 Bruxish
0856 - #780 Drampa
0857 - #781 Dhelmise
0858
0859 - #739 Crabrawler
0860 - #740 Crabominable
0861 - #772 Type: Null
0862 - #773 Silvally
0863 - #764 Comfey
0864
0865 - #800 Necrozma
0866 - #767 Wimpod
0867 - #768 Golisopod
0868 - #753 Fomantis
0869 - #754 Lurantis
0870
0871 - #789 Cosmog
0872 - #790 Cosmoem
0873 - #791 Solgaleo
0874 - #792 Lunala
0875 - #793 Nihilego
0876 - #799 Guzzlord
0877 - #794 Buzzwole
0878 - #796 Xurkitree
0879 - #795 Pheromosa
0880 - #798 Kartana
0881 - #797 Celesteela
0882 - #801 Magearna
0883 - #802 Marshadow
0884 - #805 Stakataka
0885 - #806 Blacephalon
0886 - #803 Poipole
0887 - #804 Naganadel
0888 - #807 Zeraora

What I find the most interesting is that the two Pokemon leading the lists represent key mechanics and themes from the region they belong. Furfrou represents stylishness, customization, beauty and, well, France, from Kalos, while Mareanie represents invasion, sea, tropical environments, invasion and SOS battles from Alola.

Were the Pokemon introduced in the order they were designed, like it apparently happened in Gen I?
Did Bergmite have a middle evolution that was scrapped?
Why is Necrozma before UBs, the Nebby family and even some common mons?

I'd love to hear your thoughts or theories!

Spoiler: Let's Go/Go spoiler

This thread isn't to discuss the controversy of Meltan's number and its generation, you can do that here. That's why I didn't post that part of the list.

There's other anomalies in the list, like there being an empty space between Zygarde and the mythicals for Kalos (likely meaning that there was a planned fourth mythical that was scrapped) and after Dhelmise, Lurantis, and Comfey for Alola (these Pokemon may have been planned to have evolutions but they were scrapped.

 

[prog rocker]

So, is this like with Gen I and Gen III that also have weird anomalies in their index numbers? For reference:
-Gen I Pokémon might be ordered in order of creation with the exception of Mew, who was added to an empty space at the end of development.
-Gen III had 25 empty spaces between Celebi and Treecko, the Ralts line was were you would expect pseudo-legendaries (I may be wrong), and Chimecho was at the end of the list, possibly because it was added last. Out of the 25 empty spaces, we only know of two of those removed Pokémon: Shellos and Gastrodon, that were finally added in Gen IV. Might explain the 2 unused cries in the data.

 

[BlueWaves]

Hi guys. For those of us who like beta stuff & data, an interesting piece of news has arrived, and while it's not as juicy as the GS beta release I think it deserves some attention.

With the reveal of

Spoiler: Let's Go/Go spoiler

Meltan having the number 891 in Go assets.

it has been revealed that from Gen 6 onwards, in the asset numbers, Pokemon don't occupy their National Dex number but a different spot, which is between 701-800 for Pokemon in Gen VI and between 801-900 for Pokemon in Gen VII. Also, they are in a completely different order as shown below, credits to Serebii for making the list and posting it on Reddit.

Spoiler: Gen VI list

Left is Asset Number, right is National Pokédex number
0701 - #676 Furfrou
0702 - #708 Phantump
0703 - #709 Trevenant
0704 - #667 Litleo
0705 - #668 Pyroar
0706 - #664 Scatterbug
0707 - #665 Spewpa
0708 - #666 Vivillon
0709 - #690 Skrelp
0710 - #691 Dragalge
0711 - #659 Bunnelby
0712 - #660 Diggersby
0713 - #669 Flabébé
0714 - #670 Floette
0715 - #671 Florges
0716 - #714 Noibat
0717 - #653 Fennekin
0718 - #654 Braixen
0719 - #655 Delphox
0720 - #650 Chespin
0721 - #651 Quilladin
0722 - #652 Chesnaught
0723 - #656 Froakie
0724 - #657 Frogadier
0725 - #658 Greninja
0726 - #686 Inkay
0727 - #687 Malamar
0728 - #672 Skiddo
0729 - #673 Gogoat
0730 - #675 Pangoro
0731 - #694 Helioptile
0732 - #695 Heliolisk
0733 - #677 Espurr
0734 - #678 Meowstic
0735 - #710 Pumpkaboo
0736 - #711 Gourgeist
0737 - #696 Tyrunt
0738 - #697 Tyrantrum
0739 - #698 Amaura
0740 - #699 Aurorus
0741 - #702 Dedenne
0742 - #684 Swirlix
0743 - #685 Slurpuff
0744 - #679 Honedge
0745 - #680 Doublade
0746 - #681 Aegislash
0747 - #688 Binacle
0748 - #689 Barbaracle
0749 - #712 Bergmite
0750
0751 - #713 Avalugg
0752 - #674 Pancham
0753 - #661 Fletchling
0754 - #662 Fletchinder
0755 - #663 Talonflame
0756 - #692 Clauncher
0757 - #693 Clawitzer
0758 - #682 Spritzee
0759 - #683 Aromatisse
0760 - #707 Klefki
0761 - #701 Hawlucha
0762 - #715 Noivern
0763 - #704 Goomy
0764 - #705 Sliggoo
0765 - #706 Goodra
0766 - #703 Carbink
0767 - #700 Sylveon
0768 - #716 Xerneas
0769 - #717 Yveltal
0770 - #718 Zygarde
0771
0772 - #719 Diancie
0773 - #721 Volcanion
0774 - #720 Hoopa
0775
0776
0777
0778
0779
0780
0781
0782
0783
0784
0785
0786
0787
0788
0789
0790
0791
0792
0793
0794
0795
0796
0797
0798
0799

Spoiler: Gen VII list

Left is Asset Number, right is National Pokédex number
0801 - #747 Mareanie
0802 - #748 Toxapex
0803 - #755 Morelull
0804 - #756 Shiinotic
0805 - #757 Salandit
0806 - #758 Salazzle
0807 - #731 Pikipek
0808 - #732 Trumbeak
0809 - #733 Toucannon
0810 - #765 Oranguru
0811 - #775 Komala
0812 - #761 Bounsweet
0813 - #762 Steenee
0814 - #763 Tsareena
0815 - #766 Passimian
0816 - #782 Jangmo-o
0817 - #783 Hakamo-o
0818 - #784 Kommo-o
0819 - #778 Mimikyu
0820 - #746 Wishiwashi
0821 - #771 Pyukumuku
0822 - #769 Sandygast
0823 - #770 Palossand
0824 - #774 Minior
0825 - #741 Oricorio
0826 - #734 Yungoos
0827 - #735 Gumshoos
0828 - #744 Rockruff
0829 - #745 Lycanroc
0830 - #785 Tapu Koko
0831 - #786 Tapu Lele
0832 - #787 Tapu Bulu
0833 - #788 Tapu Fini
0834 - #742 Cutiefly
0835 - #743 Ribombee
0836 - #736 Grubbin
0837 - #737 Charjabug
0838 - #738 Vikavolt
0839 - #749 Mudbray
0840 - #750 Mudsdale
0841 - #722 Rowlet
0842 - #723 Dartrix
0843 - #724 Decidueye
0844 - #725 Litten
0845 - #726 Torracat
0846 - #727 Incineroar
0847 - #728 Popplio
0848 - #729 Brionne
0849 - #730 Primarina
0850 - #751 Dewpider
0851 - #752 Araquanid
0852 - #759 Stufful
0853 - #760 Bewear
0854 - #776 Turtonator
0855 - #779 Bruxish
0856 - #780 Drampa
0857 - #781 Dhelmise
0858
0859 - #739 Crabrawler
0860 - #740 Crabominable
0861 - #772 Type: Null
0862 - #773 Silvally
0863 - #764 Comfey
0864
0865 - #800 Necrozma
0866 - #767 Wimpod
0867 - #768 Golisopod
0868 - #753 Fomantis
0869 - #754 Lurantis
0870
0871 - #789 Cosmog
0872 - #790 Cosmoem
0873 - #791 Solgaleo
0874 - #792 Lunala
0875 - #793 Nihilego
0876 - #799 Guzzlord
0877 - #794 Buzzwole
0878 - #796 Xurkitree
0879 - #795 Pheromosa
0880 - #798 Kartana
0881 - #797 Celesteela
0882 - #801 Magearna
0883 - #802 Marshadow
0884 - #805 Stakataka
0885 - #806 Blacephalon
0886 - #803 Poipole
0887 - #804 Naganadel
0888 - #807 Zeraora

What I find the most interesting is that the two Pokemon leading the lists represent key mechanics and themes from the region they belong. Furfrou represents stylishness, customization, beauty and, well, France, from Kalos, while Mareanie represents invasion, sea, tropical environments, invasion and SOS battles from Alola.

Were the Pokemon introduced in the order they were designed, like it apparently happened in Gen I?
Did Bergmite have a middle evolution that was scrapped?
Why is Necrozma before UBs, the Nebby family and even some common mons?

I'd love to hear your thoughts or theories!

Spoiler: Let's Go/Go spoiler

This thread isn't to discuss the controversy of Meltan's number and its generation, you can do that here. That's why I didn't post that part of the list.

Maybe it was modeled before the other Pokémon and the list. Judging from the huge gap from Gen 6, I’m guessing there was going to be more Pokémon, but due XY’s rushed development, they never saw the light of day.

 

[Silktree]

They weren't going to add 25 Pokemon after Hoopa. They probably just wanted to start from a new digit for SM.

 

[SerenaToAlola]

-Gen I Pokémon might be ordered in order of creation with the exception of Mew, who was added to an empty space at the end of development.

Oh this is interesting to me, where did you get that from?

 

[prog rocker]

Oh this is interesting to me, where did you get that from?

Well, can't remember what Game Freak employee said this (Sugimori? Tajiri?), said that Rhydon was the first Pokémon created (Rhydon is the first Pokémon in the index), who also appeared in proto form in the Capsule Monster pitch. The rest came from this article from the Helix Chamber group. I used might because, even if what they say makes sense, we don't have official comfirmation if this is true.

According to them there were 5 periods of Pokémon creation:

1- Original Capumon, Pokémon based on kaiju-like beings (Rhydon), childhood idols, RPG-inspiration (Voltorb). Going by index numbers, they go from Rhydon to Slowpoke.
2- Emphasis on types, elemental Pokémon and Pokémon inspired by animals. They go from Kadabra to the unused Balloonda (081).
3- Cute Pokémon are added, concept of evolution is expanded with entire 2 and 3 stage evolution lines, more elemental Pokémon. They go from Vulpix to Beedrill.
4- Evolutionary relatives to Pokémon from previous periods. They go from Missingno. 115 to Missingno. 156.
5- To use their words: "The most eclectic group with more common 2-stage lines, stone evolutions, an odd bunch of Pokémon, and finally, the starters!"
They go from Goldeen to Victreebel. Kotora and Raitora (159 and 160) were part of this group.