• All members are allowed to express their opinions, no matter how unpopular, so long as they respect others and do not claim their opinion is the only valid opinion. While we understand that there is debate regarding Goh, someone posting an opinion you disagree with does not give you the right to attack them or report the content for trolling/baiting. This notice will serve as a 0-point warning and as such, Anime & Manga staff reserve the right to jump immediately to point warnings. For more information regarding our stance on arguments and debates, see this PSA.
  • If you are finding yourself unable to log in, you should be able to fix the issue by following the following process.
    1. Close all browser tabs with any part of Bulbagarden open.
    2. Delete all Bulbagarden.net cookies (and if possible, any cached site data for Bulbagarden) from your browser.
    3. Close and reopen your browser, open a new tab, and log into the forums on the new tab.
    If you've followed this process and are still having issues, please contact us via the "Contact us" link at the bottom of the forum.

Pokemon Movies Discussion

Neo Blaze

For all time. Always.
Joined
Jan 12, 2008
Messages
6,916
Reaction score
5,187
Preferred Pronouns
He / Him
Now for an unpopular opinion from me. I don't really like the third movie, as much as I can see how well made it is. I'm just not a fan of the "a child gains godlike powers without fully comprehending them" trope, so I personally find Molly to be annoying. And the battles, while special in being actual battles in a Pokémon movie, aren't really that exciting to me, since Molly is basically hacking to give herself the advantage, and the battle effects aren't exactly that flashy, either. So, I'm sorry, but I'm not just fan of the tropes this movie uses, and as such, it doesn't rank that high for me.
No need to apologize, it's all subjective. I think Molly is an absolutely fantastic and memorable character, and for me she definitely stands out among the villains in the Pokémon movies. Never had a problem with that trope nor do I think it's a detriment to Molly's character. But hey, it didn't work for you, and that's fine.
 

J Bouken

Member
Joined
Dec 31, 2019
Messages
92
Reaction score
689
The "Chosen One" stuff was all invented by 4Kids, who probably wanted to elevate Ash's status as a shonen hero a lot in the movie. For me, personally, this was, for the longest time, the only Pokémon movie I could easily access, hence why I watched it so much that I grew bored with it, despite the large scope and epic scale. (Also, why did they have to make all those wild Pokémon gather there, other than for dramatic effect? They served zero purpose for the plot.)

Yes, the chosen one thing was a dubism. The original movie was about coexistence and people working together to achieve balance, which is why I like it. The dub ran away with the idea of "one" being able to make a big difference, which, if you squint it at it, kinda makes sense if you apply that to every character on the cast and not just Ash. Sadly the theming was communicated in a wonky way that placed Ash on more of a pedestal than he needed to be.

I could write an essay on Western storytelling glorifying the individual pretty much since the oldest fairy tales. Not saying it's the reason for the chosen one thing the dub went with, but this is what Western audiences are accustomed to and maybe 4Kids thought it'd be an easier sell if they made it seem like any kid could be a hero like Ash. I'm just throwing out ideas though.

As for the scene you're referencing, I believe the Pokemon gathering was meant to be symbolic rather than super plot relevant. They gathered because they wanted to do their part to help just as the humans were doing their bit to help, so it was consistent with what the movie was going for.
 

Silktree

Not Dead
Joined
Mar 14, 2005
Messages
19,434
Reaction score
13,492
Now for an unpopular opinion from me. I don't really like the third movie, as much as I can see how well made it is. I'm just not a fan of the "a child gains godlike powers without fully comprehending them" trope, so I personally find Molly to be annoying. And the battles, while special in being actual battles in a Pokémon movie, aren't really that exciting to me, since Molly is basically hacking to give herself the advantage, and the battle effects aren't exactly that flashy, either. So, I'm sorry, but I'm not just fan of the tropes this movie uses, and as such, it doesn't rank that high for me.
tumblr_pfvpdtdaZB1vw1ceco1_1280.jpeg


You might want to take that back.
 

TheGoldenDuck

The son of a shepherd
Joined
Jul 21, 2018
Messages
13,487
Reaction score
9,050
So I have some questions regardomg the Victini movies since I never seen them before. Are they're any big differences beyond rather Reshiram or Zekrom is the big legendary of the movies plots and if not what was the purpose of making version exclusives for a Pokemon movie? I just want to know in advance if I do decide to watch it or them or whatever.
 

RetroPokeFan

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 2, 2016
Messages
1,865
Reaction score
3,774
So I have some questions regardomg the Victini movies since I never seen them before. Are they're any big differences beyond rather Reshiram or Zekrom is the big legendary of the movies plots and if not what was the purpose of making version exclusives for a Pokemon movie? I just want to know in advance if I do decide to watch it or them or whatever.

It's mostly small minor differences like the beginning of the movie, Ash picking a different legendary to battle with, the music being different and a few other things.
 
Top