Pokémon Remake Discussion (Read First Post!)

[Finicky Fennekin]

I'd be open to RSE remakes, even if they're very similar to the originals instead of sequels or prequels. Due to the major issues with Mass Weather and Feebas, I barely ever played the games much these days. Remakes would fix the weather issues, and enhance the features that I did enjoy a lot.

What weather issues were there? I'm pretty sure I was in third grade when RS came out, but even so I don't remember any issues with it. (I'd replay Sapphire but the battery died a long time ago...)

 

[G50]

I'd be open to RSE remakes, even if they're very similar to the originals instead of sequels or prequels. Due to the major issues with Mass Weather and Feebas, I barely ever played the games much these days. Remakes would fix the weather issues, and enhance the features that I did enjoy a lot.

What weather issues were there? I'm pretty sure I was in third grade when RS came out, but even so I don't remember any issues with it. (I'd replay Sapphire but the battery died a long time ago...)

Due to the way weather was animated in the earlier games, the animation appeared after every single round in battle. (Which was fixed to just the first turn for the last two generations). This was a hassle in RSE due to how much weather there was in the entire game compared to the other games, especially due to the Team Magma and Team Aqua plots.

Because of that, I'd be looking forward to remakes of them onto the 3DS. Most likely the new animation would be implemented again for them as well.

 

[Finicky Fennekin]

I'd be open to RSE remakes, even if they're very similar to the originals instead of sequels or prequels. Due to the major issues with Mass Weather and Feebas, I barely ever played the games much these days. Remakes would fix the weather issues, and enhance the features that I did enjoy a lot.

What weather issues were there? I'm pretty sure I was in third grade when RS came out, but even so I don't remember any issues with it. (I'd replay Sapphire but the battery died a long time ago...)

Due to the way weather was animated in the earlier games, the animation appeared after every single round in battle. (Which was fixed to just the first turn for the last two generations). This was a hassle in RSE due to how much weather there was in the entire game compared to the other games, especially due to the Team Magma and Team Aqua plots.

Because of that, I'd be looking forward to remakes of them onto the 3DS. Most likely the new animation would be implemented again for them as well.

Ahh, I thought you were talking about some sort of glitch! Tbh the weather reminder never bothered me, but I'm definitely looking forward to seeing Hoenn in 3D.

 

[Capricious Equilibrium]

@ Bolt The Cat

How old a game is doesn't determine remakes. Where's my Majora's Mask remake? It was made before Wind Waker. And you can't buy it most places cheap, or at all. Quite a lot of the times, they're used to fix things in games, which apparently (not having a go at you, you don't seem like one of those 'Hoenn is perfect, Sinnoh is the devil' people) D/P needs a lot of.

D/P sold more than R/S, as well.

Also, your statement about no HD Kanto can be used against Hoenn remakes, there's quite a lot of similarity, and Kalos houses 111 Hoenn Pokemon, 108 not counting Torchic. Kalos only houses 72(?) out of 107(?) Sinnoh Pokemon. That's 35 unavailable Sinnoh Pokemon, and 24 Hoenn. 21 Sinnoh Pokemon unavailable out of 107 not counting Legends, 14 Hoenn Pokemon unavailable not counting legends.

I'm also still not gonna give up on the fact Gateau and Chateau are French words, as evidenced by the Battle Chateau. Just too much coincidence >.<

 

[shiny_magikarp]

D/P sold more than R/S, as well.

Because DS sold more than GBA. R/S are best selling games for their system, while D/P aren't. Sales need to be compared with relation of handhelds sales, not just by direct comparison of sold units of games.

Interestingly enough, Cynthia's the only other Champion who's signature has a Mega Evo, besides Blue's, who's Starter can, as can all Kanto starters. However, Lance's Aerodactyl, Lance's Charizard, Lance's Gyarados (who all get replaced in HG/SS rematches) Steven's Aggron and Iris' Aggron all can, but none are signatures.

It’s possible they would add more Megas in next games and force XY players to download patch before battling/trading with new game. Patch is needed because for example, Zygarde is likely to get Mega Evo and it would be weird while battling between XY and new game to see Zygarde Mega Evolving without visual form change in XY.

It allows them to promote R/S remakes with brand new Megas of Hoenn starters, Megas of Metagross for Steven, Milotic for Wallace, Salamence, Camerupt/Sharpedo for Maxie/Archie. It sounds better than releasing D/P remakes with Cynthia having Mega Garchomp which everyone already knows.

-Funnily enough, the Old Chateau and Old Gateau come from French words, meaning Old Castle and Old Cake...

I don’t think single words should be really considered as having anything to do with remakes, but nevertheless, Hoenn has something in this subject as well: Sootopolis is called Rune in Jp version which is most likely derived from ルネサンス (Runesansu) which comes from Renaissance - French word. Milotic Jp name is based on Greek καλλονή (beauty) while Kalos region name comes from closely related another Greek word κάλλος which also means beauty.

True that those points apply only for Jp version, but in the same way, Old Chateau and Old Gateau from Sinnoh apply only for versions outside of Japan, they aren't named with French words in Jp version.

-Speaking of bad*ss women, Drasna is from or has ancestors from Sinnoh, who taught her about the myths of Dialga and Palkia, inspiring her to become a dragon specialist. (Weirdly enough, she uses no Sinnoh Pokemon.).

Valerie is from Johto. So what?

 

[Norzan]

Even though Gen 4 is my favourite i don't think it needs to be remade just yet, the Gen 4 games aren't outdated and they still hold up today very well. Gen 3 is the one that needs to be remade since the games are quickly becoming outdated.

 

[Bolt Strike]

How old a game is doesn't determine remakes. Where's my Majora's Mask remake? It was made before Wind Waker. And you can't buy it most places cheap, or at all.

4th gen games are much easier to get your hands on then 3rd gen games. You can still buy DS games in Gamestop and play them on any existing DS or 3DS model. 3rd gen, though, is much harder, because GBA games have been made obsolete, the games can only be bought on eBay or specialty shops, and you need an older DS model to play them.

Quite a lot of the times, they're used to fix things in games, which apparently (not having a go at you, you don't seem like one of those 'Hoenn is perfect, Sinnoh is the devil' people) D/P needs a lot of.

That's a very black and white view of things, I don't work that way. And DP doesn't need much fixing because Platinum solved pretty much all of its problems. What do you expect a new game to add? Better graphics? 4th to 6th gen isn't that impressive a leap in graphics. More Pokemon? The Pokedex is pretty much fine. The storyline? Was one of the best storylines so far. Not enough has really changed between 4th and 6th gen to warrant a remake, whereas more has changed from 3rd to 4th gen.

I'm also still not gonna give up on the fact Gateau and Chateau are French words, as evidenced by the Battle Chateau. Just too much coincidence >.<

So? This isn't a significant hint to Sinnoh. Sinnoh isn't French.

 

[Capricious Equilibrium]

4th gen games are much easier to get your hands on then 3rd gen games. You can still buy DS games in Gamestop and play them on any existing DS or 3DS model. 3rd gen, though, is much harder, because GBA games have been made obsolete, the games can only be bought on eBay or specialty shops, and you need an older DS model to play them.

And Wind Waker is probably more easier to get than Majora's Mask.

Quite a lot of the times, they're used to fix things in games, which apparently (not having a go at you, you don't seem like one of those 'Hoenn is perfect, Sinnoh is the devil' people) D/P needs a lot of.

That's a very black and white view of things, I don't work that way. And DP doesn't need much fixing because Platinum solved pretty much all of its problems. What do you expect a new game to add? Better graphics? 4th to 6th gen isn't that impressive a leap in graphics. More Pokemon? The Pokedex is pretty much fine. The storyline? Was one of the best storylines so far. Not enough has really changed between 4th and 6th gen to warrant a remake, whereas more has changed from 3rd to 4th gen.

How was 3rd > 4th a huge leap? The physical/special split and a few 3D effects here and there. 4th to 6th was huge.

I'm also still not gonna give up on the fact Gateau and Chateau are French words, as evidenced by the Battle Chateau. Just too much coincidence >.<

So? This isn't a significant hint to Sinnoh. Sinnoh isn't French.

I'm just saying it's an odd coincidence.

My comments in bold.

Also, some more Sinnoh stuff! (You people are probably organising my death right now )

-Lucario was the first Pokemon to Mega Evolve, and it and its trainer came from a 'Faraway Land'. Lucario was introduced in Sinnoh.

-Mulch and Honey have uses.

-Was gonna mention Fantina, but just remembered that she only speaked French in certain languages

 

[henrymidfields]

Hmm...while I can see the need for a RSE remake at some stage, I'd rather see GF focusing more on elaborating the Kalos region, and making new regions outside of Poke-Japan.
Having said that, there are things that, I think, must be added for the RSE remakes:

- I think EV Training is a must for all games after Pokémon XY, given just how much attention is given to competitive battling and managing stats. No exception for RSE remakes either.
- Pokémon-Amie should be a standard feature as well; it's awesome to see the power of friendship actually having an active role in Pokémon battles. It'll also be interesting how that beneficially affects their moves in Contests too. (Besides, Eevee/Sylveon needs that feature.)
- This time, they'll need to bring back the morning?/day/evening?/night feature too, as it has been a standard feature in most Pokémon games. That should also allow for more variety in encountering Pokémon.
- While we are at it, there should be more variety than just the Tentacool line on waterways. Any Pokémon that can swim across the ocean should be made encounter-able, regardless of generation (because they can migrate). Tentacool/Tentacruel should be limited to at most 50% chance of encountering. This not only applies to Hoenn remakes, but to any regions, whether new or remade. (I'm especially looking at you, Kanto Route 20-21 and Johto Route 40-41.)

 

[Bolt Strike]

And Wind Waker is probably more easier to get than Majora's Mask.

Pokemon is not Zelda. IDK what's going on with Majora's Mask vs. Wind Waker, but it doesn't really have much relevance on what Game Freak does.

How was 3rd > 4th a huge leap? The physical/special split and a few 3D effects here and there. 4th to 6th was huge.

I didn't say it was. But that's not the point. When you're looking at remakes, you're comparing the original generation to the current generation. 1st > 3rd was a huge leap and 2nd > 4th was as well. 4th > 6th is not. 3rd > 6th is more of a leap.

I'm just saying it's an odd coincidence.

"Odd coincidences" don't really impact the possibility of remakes that much.

-Lucario was the first Pokemon to Mega Evolve, and it and its trainer came from a 'Faraway Land'. Lucario was introduced in Sinnoh.

Lucario is a popular Pokemon. That's not surprising.

-Mulch and Honey have uses.

Mulch was only made useful again because they brought back berry planting. Not sure about Honey.

Hmm...while I can see the need for a RSE remake at some stage, I'd rather see GF focusing more on elaborating the Kalos region, and making new regions outside of Poke-Japan.

Kalos will probably have an updated version. But we're probably going to need a third set of games to pad out 6th gen, which is usually a remake.

- This time, they'll need to bring back the morning?/day/evening?/night feature too, as it has been a standard feature in most Pokémon games. That should also allow for more variety in encountering Pokémon.

GSCHGSS and DPPt are "most games"?

- While we are at it, there should be more variety than just the Tentacool line on waterways. Any Pokémon that can swim across the ocean should be made encounter-able, regardless of generation (because they can migrate). Tentacool/Tentacruel should be limited to at most 50% chance of encountering. This not only applies to Hoenn remakes, but to any regions, whether new or remade. (I'm especially looking at you, Kanto Route 20-21 and Johto Route 40-41.)

So they should simply include any Water type Pokemon in the regional dex? That would be horribly imbalanced. I'm all for better distribution, though.

 

[henrymidfields]

- This time, they'll need to bring back the morning?/day/evening?/night feature too, as it has been a standard feature in most Pokémon games. That should also allow for more variety in encountering Pokémon.

GSCHGSS and DPPt are "most games"?

- While we are at it, there should be more variety than just the Tentacool line on waterways. Any Pokémon that can swim across the ocean should be made encounter-able, regardless of generation (because they can migrate). Tentacool/Tentacruel should be limited to at most 50% chance of encountering. This not only applies to Hoenn remakes, but to any regions, whether new or remade. (I'm especially looking at you, Kanto Route 20-21 and Johto Route 40-41.)

So they should simply include any Water type Pokemon in the regional dex? That would be horribly imbalanced. I'm all for better distribution, though.

Answer 2:
Don't BW, BW2, and XY have day/night features? (Which leaves with Gen 1/3 absent of said features.) Or are they not much of good examples of day/night features?

Answer 3:
Definitely not all water Pokemon, but a select number that actually resides and travels in the ocean, like a number of Mantykes/Mantines, Remoraids, and Sharpedoes to start with, maybe Chinchou/Lanturn during nighttime, maybe the occasional Wailmer/Wailord, Seadra, Seel/Dewgong (perhaps 5% each?). At least have 3 Pokemon and 2 evolutionary lines per waterway.

 

[Amoebo]

I know this thread's been dead, but I can see HD Kanto games or full out remakes soon.

I mean look at all the Kanto similarities.

And being me, there must be an updated list of Kalosinnoh (Kalos-Sinnoh) stuff. 'Cuzz I can.

-Even Gens. (1 was remade in 3, 2 in 4. You could argue that that's a pattern, I guess? A sucky one though) Another pattern is 2 gens later. While 3 wasn't remade in 5, it's common belief it would of they weren't rushed. The fact they were rushed was confirmed by GF themselves, I believe.

-Both Rowan and Sycamore focus on Evolution. Rowan on standard, Sycamore on Mega Evolution.

-The Electric-Type Gym City is affected with a Blackout. Though only Northern Lumiose was affected, unlike Sunnyshore, which was in complete blackout.

-The fossil pair are dinosaurs. Aerodactyl and Archen/Archeops are often believed to be dinosaurs, but that is false. Pterosaurs were reptiles independent from dinosaurs, while the Archaeopteryx is a transition stage between feathered Dinosaurs and birds. However, Cranidos is a Pachycephalosaurus, and Shieldon seems to be a Protoceratops. Tyrunt is obviously a Tyrannosaurus, and Amaura is a Amargasaurus, a type of Diplodocoidea speculated to have sails.

-The female champion is probably not meant to parallel Cynthia, especially with the fact Iris also exists. Also, famous women are often used to show outer beauty, beauty being a theme of Kalos. But she does interact with Lysandre, like Cynthia did with Cyrus (though I think that was exclusive to Platinum). Though Diantha isn't aware of Lysandre's status as Team Flare leader.

-Speaking of bad*ss women, Drasna is from or has ancestors from Sinnoh, who taught her about the myths of Dialga and Palkia, inspiring her to become a dragon specialist. (Weirdly enough, she uses no Sinnoh Pokemon.).

-Interestingly enough, Cynthia's the only other Champion who's signature has a Mega Evo, besides Blue's, who's Starter can, as can all Kanto starters. However, Lance's Aerodactyl, Lance's Charizard, Lance's Gyarados (who all get replaced in HG/SS rematches) Steven's Aggron and Iris' Aggron all can, but none are signatures.

-The evil team often refers to themselves as fashionable, which they are, and their leader is driven insane by their goal. Well, Cyrus was pretty psycho already. The leader wants to create a world they desire. Cyrus wants a world without emotion, as he believes it's the source of all strife. Lysandre believes that overpopulation shall end up with wars and ending up with little resources, making the world ugly. Interestingly, Cyrus and Lysandre have red and blue hair, a pattern in the series. (Red/Blue, Ho-oh and Lugia being Red and Blue, Kyogre is blue, Groudon is red. Dialga is blue, Palkia is purple/pink, both colours made from red. Overdrive Zekrom/Black Kyurem has blue, Overdrive Reshiram/White Kyurem has red. Xerneas is blue, Yveltal is red.)

-In both Sinnoh and Kalos, all three starters end up dual-type.

-The Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous Orbs somehow appear randomly with no explanation, unlike in Unova. (Its given to Hida/bert in BW, and its implied they left it in Dragonspiral Tower in BW2) It's obvious they're there to give access, but still. Interestingly enough, they're beside Zygarde in Terminus Cave.

-Intrestingly, Cynthia doesn't appear. Perhaps a Gen VI appearance.

-The Sinjoh ruins symbol is in Olympia's gym.

-The plates are completely scattered across Kalos. Why?

-Pokeradar has returned.

-Funnily enough, the Old Chateau and Old Gateau come from French words, meaning Old Castle and Old Cake...

I really want Sinnoh remakes, as you can tell XD

You go out and say kanto remakes, want sinnoh, yet are basing it on circumstances and are only proving more hoenn.

 

[shiny_magikarp]

-Lucario was the first Pokemon to Mega Evolve, and it and its trainer came from a 'Faraway Land'. Lucario was introduced in Sinnoh.

To be honest, I'm more interested in Mega Blaziken. It's distribution at XY release was surprising (at least for me). And look how they are portraying it in anime - it's being developed as super hero saving Ash at critical moments. It gives opportunity to promote Hoenn remakes with Mega Blaziken which kids would remember as that cool Pokemon from anime. It’s sort of like the first time Blaziken appeared in anime at Johto League to promote RS and to be shown as powerful Pokemon beating Ash. It’s also kinda like there was noticeable emphasis put on Gen II Pokemon or their evolutions during DP anime to foreshadow and promote Johto remakes.

Mega Lucario will probably appear in anime as well, but most likely as Korrina’s Pokemon, so nothing really intriguing about that.

 

[Silktree]

and are only proving more hoenn.

Not really. While I agree that he's wrong in saying that Sinnoh should be revisited over Hoenn, at least his list shows that the references to Hoenn are nothing special since every region is referenced (in a rather generic way). Johto is the only region that has fewer references in XY than Hoenn does.

The only hint involving another region (a new one) that truly stands out is the Strange Souvenir.

 

[Bolt Strike]

Don't BW, BW2, and XY have day/night features? (Which leaves with Gen 1/3 absent of said features.) Or are they not much of good examples of day/night features?

Not sure about XY, but BW1 and BW2 didn't. They had seasons instead.

 

[Fairy Ice Ricky]

Don't BW, BW2, and XY have day/night features? (Which leaves with Gen 1/3 absent of said features.) Or are they not much of good examples of day/night features?

Not sure about XY, but BW1 and BW2 didn't. They had seasons instead.

The Royal Unova is currently crying saltwater tears at the Cruise Dock.

 

[Norzan]

Don't BW, BW2, and XY have day/night features? (Which leaves with Gen 1/3 absent of said features.) Or are they not much of good examples of day/night features?

Not sure about XY, but BW1 and BW2 didn't. They had seasons instead.

B/W and B/W 2 has the Day/Night feature as well, X and Y also has it too but it's barely noticable.

 

[Bolt Strike]

The Royal Unova is currently crying saltwater tears at the Cruise Dock.

B/W and B/W 2 has the Day/Night feature as well, X and Y also has it too but it's barely noticable.

Pretty sure he was speaking in the context of having different Pokemon available at different times of the day. Which only GSCHGSS and DPPt do.

 

[Ellron]

B/W and B/W 2 has the Day/Night feature as well, X and Y also has it too but it's barely noticable.

Pretty sure he was speaking in the context of having different Pokemon available at different times of the day. Which only GSCHGSS and DPPt do.

To me it sounded more like he was saying that if a R/S/E remake happened, it should implement day and night(which the originals didn't have) as day and night has--aesthetically--become a standard in recent games.("recent" meaning for the past six years) As to having different pokemon appear during different times of day, it would be pretty cool, though perhaps not necessary.

Although I think I would prefer a new adventure in Hoenn over straight up remakes, if GF were to revisit Hoenn.

That being said, if we do get remakes, I would like to see more out of the rivals. Wally and May/Brendan were decent, but they don't seem to be as driven as some of the others. Wally always mentions how he'll never be as good as you(correct me if I'm wrong on that, I don't remember for certain) and Brendan/May just kinda gives up when you reach Lilycove, to forever sit in his/her house claiming that he/she will complete their Pokedex before you. Blue/Silver/Barry, on the other hand, each have more of a drive. Blue is determined to be better than you and is always one step ahead--it even puts his name up on the "Winning Trainers" list in gyms before you--in turn driving the player to work harder and beat him. Barry works in much the same way, if a bit more comical. Silver is constantly belittling you(and everyone else) for being weak, which pushes the player to be stronger and better than he.

I'm sure there are other things I'd like to see, but this is the only thing I can think of at the time.

 

[Capricious Equilibrium]

Just realised.

-Battle Maison theme is a remix of Battle Tower (Crystal/HG/SS)

-Valerie is from Johto.

-The complete fabulousness of Amphrodite was unleashed.

-Celebi event.

JOHTO CONFIRMED.

NO ES FAKE.