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Pokemon Stars Discussion Thread (Speculation)

Discussion in 'Pokémon Video Games' started by RileyXY1, Nov 19, 2016.

Voter count: 102
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Do you think that Stars is real or Fake

Poll closed May 16, 2017.
  1. Real

    61 vote(s)
    59.8%
  2. Fake

    41 vote(s)
    40.2%
  1. Akira Bond

    Akira Bond Stop saving the world and get a hobby.

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    The lag occurs during double battles, as in, the battles that the official tournaments use. So yes, it is perfectly acceptable to call Sm out for it's lag, as it occurs during very important parts of the game. Unless Gamefreak find a way to create a new lag free game on 3DS, which I doubt, then Pokemon needs to move on.

    I also agree that the "gamefreak have never done it so it is unlikely" argument is a pathetic one. Gamefreak have proven time and time again that they are perfectly capable of doing things they have never done before. However, for the people that DO use this argument, well, Gamefreak have never had two different remake games on the same console before, so using your very own logic, Diamond and pearl remakes will not be on 3DS.
     
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  2. lavandula

    lavandula Registered User

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    ポケモン サン ムーン、マイナーチェンジ版は、2018年の秋から冬に発売か

    Large Japanese website Pokemon Memo writes that it is highly possible for Pokemon Stars to be released in 2018 autumn to winter.
    Pokemon Memo has discovered that Game Freak is hiring Maya 3D motion artists that specifically dealt with PS vita scaled modeling.
    Pokemon Memo thinks that this is related to Pokemon Stars and predicts that if they are hiring now, they should finish during autumn 2018.
    Game Freak states that they are hiring 3D artists that specifically uses Maya to create PS vita scaled models, and must be experienced in creating models for monster characters AND deformed characters.
    So it likely to be a Pokemon game instead of Giga Wrecker, Tembo or any human-centered game


    EDIT: I think Joe Merrick was talking about this, but after reading Game Freak's post, Joe had quite a few inaccuracies.
     
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  3. PkmnTrainerV

    PkmnTrainerV Flame Trainer

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    Do you mean this one, by any chance?

     
  4. lavandula

    lavandula Registered User

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    Probably they are reading the same job advert.
    But what I read (directly from Japanese) is different from what the English sites say.

    What I read is they are hiring a Motion Modeler. Which I don't think it's the same with a motion designer.
     
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  5. FlowerMagician

    FlowerMagician Blooming...

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    Guess this could mean a break year for 2017. It was something I speculated for a long time in 2016.
     
  6. Meta Boss

    Meta Boss The True Champ!

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    Hey, I was reading all tye comments and I felt the urge to point out some things...

    1. About the "3DS has reached it's limit, time to move on" comment, that I see Stars supporters constantly throwing around: Pokemon has only reached it's GRAPHICAL LIMIT on the 3ds. But since there is never a graphical jump inside a generation (only between generations) if they are indeed making a third game of SM, it will just use the same engine of SM, like it yas always been with third versions (Emerald, Platinum,Crystal didn't have better graphics than their original pairs). So, next Generation should be on a better hardware, but not the next Gen VII version, as said graphical limit that they reached with SM won't be surpassed by a hypothetical third game.

    2. Extra content does NOT make the game lag. What makes SM a laggy mess is the excess of 3D models that appear and move on the screen simultaneously; in other words, if they made a third version of SM on the 3DS, and added 4 Battle Frontiers, with 10 Facilities in each, the game wouldn't lag any more than SM currently does, as long as they don't appear on screen simultaneously. So the 3DS won't suffer if extra content is added in Stars.

    3. If your argument is: "but SM is inexcusably laggy already, this is a sign that they can't put the next game on 3DS!" you are wrong. SM was just as laggy before it was released worldwide. If the current amount of lag and slowdowns that SM has now, didn't stop them from releasing SM in its current state, then I assure you it won't stop them from rereleasing it with a few added features in the form of a third version. Especially since third versions are usually bought by three times less fans than the original game pair. Which means a lot less people would experience said performance issues xD If they weren't scared of 16 million fellas complaining, they won't be scared of 7 million complaining.

    4. The blurred text lines in some instances of SM, doesn´t mean the 3DS has reached its limit, either. It could be a simple glitch, that the developers overlooked, and that can easily be fixed in their next 3DS game.

    5. Triple and Rotation battles, contrary to popular belief, weren´t removed because SM couldn´t handle them, according to Masuda and Ohmori. They were removed simply because GF wanted to change up the battle environment of SM, and so replaced Triple and Rotation battles with the newly developed Battle Royal. This was cleared up by Ohmori and Masuda in a recent interview for a spanish youtuber.

    6. Regarding the news about GF hiring new motion designers, if it's true that they are hiring those for a Switch game, and that they are only hiring them now... then the Eurogamer leak is incorrect since according to Eurogamer Stars has been in development together with SM. Those motion designers would've been hired long ago if that was true. And if they are only hiring them now, then it could very well be for Gen VIII on Switch, not for Stars.

    And in case it wasn't clear, I am not saying Stars is not going to happen: Stars being true is 50/50 for me. I just felt the urge to tackle some flawed arguments thrown around xD

    Edit: edited to answer the below post of @Akira Bond
     
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  7. EmpoleonProd

    EmpoleonProd Empoleon Fanatic

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    Maybe my standards for lag are just high. I used to play PC games with a shitty internet where I'd pull 2-5 FPS for 5-10 seconds straight, compared to that, I don't notice anything on SM, and I play Battle Royales and doubles in the Battle Tree a lot. The only time I honestly notice it is when a Z-move is used.
     
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  8. SinnohEevee

    SinnohEevee Well-Known Member

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    What about Sinnoh games? Can we say the UB plot has Sinnoh written all over it?
     
  9. Sir Cookie

    Sir Cookie A boy from Onett

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    I feel like currently Stars/sequel is more likely to happen than both Sinnoh and Kanto remakes. If we go by the 5 year remake pattern Sinnoh should be remade in 2019, and Kanto remakes... would have been good for Pokemon's 20th anniversary. So if that was to happen, it may come out on Pokemon's 25th or 30th, in 2021 or 2026.
     
  10. TheMonster6893

    TheMonster6893 THE Pokemon Master

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    As far as the motion designer thing goes I think people are looking at it the wrong way. I don't think the designer they are looking for would be for Stars. If the Eurogamer rumor is true, then the game would be much closer to SM in the first place. Right now the models and assets in SM (and even XY) are made with HD (or closer to it anyway) in mind. The models themselves can be scaled up to match higher resolution screens. Game Freak aren't making the assets jaggy and with laggy motion. It's the 3DS that's doing it. Yes I know games have done better graphically than SM currently do, but the fact of the matter is that even the best looking 3DS games still look jaggy and kind of garbage-y. It's not entirely the fault of the developers, it's also the fact that's the 3DS is incredibly under powered. Even the New 3DS is still not much better. With all that in mind they can easily put out a higher res version of SM (via Stars) and it would be fine. Given the time period for the eventual designer's contract I believe that they are being brought on for a game that would come out after Stars. If they get hired soon enough they may be able to help with some final touches to Stars to make it look more crisp, but they will likely be on for the next game in the timeline after Stars.
     
  11. Ereshkigal

    Ereshkigal Far too mouthy for my own good.

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    Well, that also depends on how they are developing Stars. If they are doing as I suspect with hiring a motion designer for it, then quite likely they are dumping and redoing the animations from scratch or even making Stars an entirely different kind of game. It's not unusual for a game developer to trashcan all of the work they've already done when they decide it isn't working, and I suspect the Switch is presenting some problems that are entirely new to the GF team but which many other developers are long used to with other consoles.

    As such, I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't get Stars until 2019 or 2020 and have it be entirely different than Sun and Moon in many areas, even if it's just a remake of Sun and Moon.
     
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    Silktree Wielder of Headcanon

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    They aren't waiting until 2019 to release the next game, and if they did, it wouldn't be an Alola game.

    I don't see any reason to assume that they're just now hiring people for a game rumored to have been in development for at least two years. If Stars indeed exists, it isn't the only project they're working on.
     
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    What if Stars is just delayed until 2018 and 2017 is spent fixing all the bugs of Stars, making sure it runs smoothly?
     
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    Harmful Heron Crimson Fighter

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    @PkmnTrainerV There is a difference between someone not doing something before just because they didn't have a reason to until then and having a history of being rigid late adopters.
     
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  15. Akira Bond

    Akira Bond Stop saving the world and get a hobby.

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    Your argument doesn't explain the 'blurry text' that plenty of people have experienced along with the lag. The blurry text occurs several times during normal dialogue, when the graphical parts of the game are barely being pushed at all. Also, if it didn't reach the hardware capabilities then why remove triple and rotational battles all of a sudden? Obviously that would have caused severe lagging issues (judging from how laggy double battles themselves got), however, if they 'don't care', like you say, then why remove them?

    And whether the lag is just a graphical issue or not, Gamefreak (and Nintendo) should be caring about the lag. Unless they want to consider changing official tournament rules to single battles, then they need to find a way to have the game lag free.
     
  16. Mega/Ultra Evolution 46

    Mega/Ultra Evolution 46 Mega Pokemon Trainer

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    Well it depends how pokemon works with nintendo switch, so if gamefreak test pokemon stars on switch, and if it doesn't work well, then it would make since if they push it back till 2018
     
  17. Harmful Heron

    Harmful Heron Crimson Fighter

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    Somebody doing something unexpected a few times isn't a to abandon the concept of historical exceptions.

    Take the Fire Emblem direct for example it did the least expected thing given the current repuation of the series make a faithful recreation of the most hipstery Fire Emblem game there is. They also did the most expected reveal the mobile title is F2P crossover game with favortism towards Awakening and Fates. Just because GF make Black 2 and White 2 doesn't mean I expect them to not keep to the fire starter water starter grass starter thing. Will they drop it temporarily again after yellow? Eventually yeah. Will they drop it for good? Maybe. If I had to bet my life on it one way or the other would I say that gen 8 wouldn't have the normal starter types? HELL NO!

    Nintendo revealed Super Mario Odyssy a less linear Mario but they also launched the Switch without what some people would call basic features.

    All the surprising things gamefreak didn't change our fundamental understanding of how Pokemon generations work.
     
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  19. Harmful Heron

    Harmful Heron Crimson Fighter

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    @VelVoxelRaptor ...That's barely an improvement graphically assuming it is at all ...guess lag won't be an issue.

    Could be fake gut says it looks way too much like the base Sun and Moon but if the general consensus is that the video is real after a couple of weeks I'm not going to double down and insist it's fake. Made that mistake too many times already.
     
  20. Silktree

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    That's a fake if I ever saw one. The guy was probably just watching a SM video via the Switch's browser, which has already been unlocked by hackers.