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Pokémon: The Johto Journeys - The Complete Collection to be released in North America

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Pokémon: The Johto Journeys - The Complete Collection to be released in North America Nov. ...

Pokémon: The Johto Journeys - Complete Collection, the complete DVD box set for the third English dubbed Pokémon season, Pokémon: The Johto Journeys, will be released in North America on Nov. 10, 2015.

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Re: Pokémon: The Johto Journeys - The Complete Collection to be released in North Ame

But what about the other two seasons of Johto? And what about Hoenn?
 

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^ Just give it time ;-)

I just hope for there's digital release to coincide with it.

To this makes me happy personally because this means hopefully new editions of the Master Quest Season sooner or later :-D
 
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Re: Pokémon: The Johto Journeys - The Complete Collection to be released in North Ame

the complete DVD box set for the Johto Journeys portion of the third English dubbed Pokémon season

Fixed.
 

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^ Just give it time ;-)

I just hope for there's digital release to coincide with it.

To this makes me happy personally because this means hopefully new editions of the Master Quest Season sooner or later :-D

I'm a bit impatient because they've certainly had plenty of time to re-release these seasons. I don't know why they've skipped the best opportunities to do so. They could have re-released the Johto seasons when HGSS came out and then re-released Hoenn when ORAS came out. Viz Media really is a baffling company.
 

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Re: Pokémon: The Johto Journeys - The Complete Collection to be released in North Ame

But what about the other two seasons of Johto? And what about Hoenn?

Based on the past two releases, it looks like you might be able to expect new seasons every 6 months. They might speed it up though. Or they could just stop at any point. VIZ isn't as reliable as Beyond.
 

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Hopefully they'll get released on Netflix as well.

EDIT: Whoa, this is my 2,000th post! Milestone achieved.
 

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About 6 years overdue but I am very thankful it is FINALLY happening!

I just hope to god they include Pokemon Karaokemon. Did the recent re-release of the Indigo League include Pilachu's Jukebox? I know the older release did but I won't get my hopes up with Karaokemon unless the newest release of season 1 included Jukebox
 

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the complete DVD box set for the Johto Journeys portion of the third English dubbed Pokémon season

Fixed.

I wish this were the case. It would make distinguishing between the two kinds of seasons so much easier. Unfortunately, both are officially referred to as both numbered seasons ("Season 1", "Season 2", etc.) and name ("Indigo League", "Adventures in/on the Orange Islands", etc.).
 

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The only official source to use this fan-made opening=seasons business is the same company that's putting Politoed on the back cover of the Jouto Journies DVD boxset even though it won't make its debut until Master Quest. Two years ago it also included sceenshots from "The Punchy Pokemon" and "The Battling Eevee Brothers" on their re-release of their first Indigo set despite the fact that those episodes don't appear until the [/i]second[/i].

Maybe Viz doesn't actually know what the hell it's doing? Just an idea??

As far as I'm concerned listing "The Johto Journeys" as "Season 3" (which, by the way, this set isn't even doing so...) would be just another packaging mistake.
 

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As far as the article goes, even if it doesn't qualify as "season 3" in your mind, there's enough of an overlap that I think it's valid to say that, particularly once you consider (what I assume to be) the article's intended audience, which doesn't really need that nuanced of an explanation. If someone does, there are resources out there they can use and they can make their own determination. I get that there's a desire for journalistic precision, but I think "season 3" serves the article well enough.

As for the (minor) inaccuracies in the packaging, my guess is it's related to either a stretched design staff or they were limited in what assets they had to work with.
 

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The only official source to use this fan-made opening=seasons business is the same company that's putting Politoed on the back cover of the Jouto Journies DVD boxset even though it won't make its debut until Master Quest. Two years ago it also included sceenshots from "The Punchy Pokemon" and "The Battling Eevee Brothers" on their re-release of their first Indigo set despite the fact that those episodes don't appear until the [/i]second[/i].

Maybe Viz doesn't actually know what the hell it's doing? Just an idea??

As far as I'm concerned listing "The Johto Journeys" as "Season 3" (which, by the way, this set isn't even doing so...) would be just another packaging mistake.
Even if we do consider calling this kind of season a numbered season ("Season 1", etc.) a mistake by VIZ, it still doesn't justify referring to it as "The Johto Journeys" as distinct from "Season 3", since the standard model of seasons also uses "Season 3" and "The Johto Journeys" interchangeably. All official media presents "Season 3" and "The Johto Journeys" as synonymous.

However, I agree that it would be useful to refer to the standard seasons as "Season 1/2/3" and the VIZ Media model of seasons as their names (when they differ that is; when they're the same they would be synonymous). Of course, this would be a purely fan-made convention, but it would certainly help alleviate confusion.
 

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Yoshi1001 said:
(what I assume to be) the article's intended audience, which doesn't really need that nuanced of an explanation. If someone does, there are resources out there they can use and they can make their own determination.

But that's not what's going to happen. What's going to happen is that the people who already believe that "opening = season" are going to use articles like this one here on Bulbagarden as "proof" to validate their belief. People tend to believe whatever Bulbanews / Bulbapedia tells them without questioning it (we've all seen the "but Bulbapedia said..." types) and so when they're told misinformation then they tend to believe it. The average fan doesn't tend to fact check after you guys.

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All official media presents "Season 3" and "The Johto Journeys" as synonymous.

If you're talking about the official site (because that's the only official source I can think of where this so-called overlap exists)...no it doesn't. They put titles with the seasons because when it comes to the later seasons most of the titles do in fact match up so why not? With the older seasons, however, they don't have the space to cram both logos (like, say, "Adventures in the Orange Islands" and "Johto Journeys") into the space provided so they just choose the one that fits the majority of the season for consistency's sake. So Season 3 uses the "Johto Journeys" logo but if you actually click on the season you'll see that it still starts with "The Pokémon Water War," not "Don't Touch that 'dile!"

So no, not really.
 

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But that's not what's going to happen. What's going to happen is that the people who already believe that "opening = season" are going to use articles like this one here on Bulbagarden as "proof" to validate their belief. People tend to believe whatever Bulbanews / Bulbapedia tells them without questioning it (we've all seen the "but Bulbapedia said..." types) and so when they're told misinformation then they tend to believe it. The average fan doesn't tend to fact check after you guys.
The episode numbering thing was fixed back in April... S03 - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia
 

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Re: Pokémon: The Johto Journeys - The Complete Collection to be released in North Ame

But that's not what's going to happen. What's going to happen is that the people who already believe that "opening = season" are going to use articles like this one here on Bulbagarden as "proof" to validate their belief. People tend to believe whatever Bulbanews / Bulbapedia tells them without questioning it (we've all seen the "but Bulbapedia said..." types) and so when they're told misinformation then they tend to believe it. The average fan doesn't tend to fact check after you guys.
Since it's not wrong to call them seasons (since they are, officially), they would be correct in that assertion. It's not the primary model (as is reflected on Bulbapedia, which uses standard seasons as the primary model, although it still acknowledges the VIZ Media model), but an equally valid one.

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All official media presents "Season 3" and "The Johto Journeys" as synonymous.

If you're talking about the official site (because that's the only official source I can think of where this so-called overlap exists)...no it doesn't. They put titles with the seasons because when it comes to the later seasons most of the titles do in fact match up so why not? With the older seasons, however, they don't have the space to cram both logos (like, say, "Adventures in the Orange Islands" and "Johto Journeys") into the space provided so they just choose the one that fits the majority of the season for consistency's sake. So Season 3 uses the "Johto Journeys" logo but if you actually click on the season you'll see that it still starts with "The Pokémon Water War," not "Don't Touch that 'dile!"

So no, not really.

The official site, non-US DVD releases, TV promotions for re-runs all use the terms interchangeably. iTunes releases currently can only be examined with regards to Season 6/Advanced (for which it uses the VIZ Media model), which it calls both "Season 6" and "Advanced", but to be fair that could easily be due to the series boundary. (Hulu doesn't have any relevant seasons, and I can't check Netflix.) Essentially every official source that refers to the seasons treats them as synonymous. In fact, there aren't really official sources where the overlap doesn't exist, except perhaps the opening themes (which call the episodes part of certain VIZ Media seasons as opposed to the standard seasons, but don't mention a season number).

It's also incorrect to state the official site only doesn't include both logos (due to lack of space, etc.), but otherwise refers to the seasons exclusively by number. They also explicitly name them on the season page and treat them as synonymous in news articles and press releases.
 

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It is incorrect to say that the TV broadcast season count and the Viz DVD season count are used "interchangeably."

  • I'm not sure what non-US DVD releases you're talking about. The Australian Super Wallets, for example, use the "each season is 52 episodes as broadcast on TV," not this fan-made "openings = seasons" business. That wallets for Season 3 and 4 I picked up when I was in Australia a few years ago also use the broadcast season numberings.
  • I've never seen any TV promotions use the terms interchangeably. In fact I've seen the opposite, where TV promotions would advertise "Season 3" and then people would be confused as to why they started off by showing "The Pokemon Water War" not realizing that what the TV station was advertising was correct.
  • The "explicitly naming them on the season page," as I've explained earlier, is because of space considerations and consistency's sake.
  • The news article you linked to actually does use the broadcast TV season model: Pokemon Advanced episodes are indeed "episodes from the sixth season."
  • The press release you linked to says that the first season "introduces viewers to the world of Pokémon through Ash and his partner Pikachu as Ash strives to become a Pokémon Master." I'm not seeing how that means "Season 1 = 80 episodes."

And let us not forget that this "Viz numbering" thing actually only ever shows up on like three releases from over half a decade ago. All three of the Indigo box sets from 2009 have "Season One" on their packaging but the newer releases? The first re-release from 2014 uses "Season One" (though in that case it's perfectly correct for them to do so because every episode on that set is indeed from Season One) but the second and third sets don't. Neither does The Complete Collection. And neither the 2009 nor the 2015 release of the Orange Islands sets have "Season 2" anywhere on them at all. The upcoming Johto Journies set doesn't have "Season 3" on it anywhere either.

The only official DVDs to use the fan-made "openings = seasons" numbering are three DVD sets from 2009. That's seriously it.

So no, it's absolutely not correct to say that both are used interchangeably, or that both are valid, or that the suggested edit I made in my first post in this thread was in any way inappropriate. Telling fans that they can click around the site and figure out the official numbering other than the one (and only) numbering used in your site's news articles is completely unacceptable.

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