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Since Brock was there for Hoenn and DiamndPearl, a lot of the modern viewers would obviously miss him. But there are still a few original viewers, and I'm not sure of Japan, but I know that the western side love Misty. Most miss her. Some hate her, I know, but you can't please everybody. You can please most though, and like I said before, many miss Misty, and a lot of modern viewers (and original) would miss Brock. So if they had the original trio come back for a generation, that would get many viewers to watch, and actually might start up more talk about the Pokémon anime.
 
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Not really. Most modern viewers are indifferent to Brock's departure and Misty remained gone in the first place for the same reason. The original trio is not why people watch Pokemon. If that were the case the show could have never gone on for 10 years without it.
 
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Wow...i think Takeshi Shudo just had issues...*rolls eyes*
Cuz he's the reason misty left anyway. he said he had to choose between keeping team rocket or misty (though i dont see wut was wrong with keeping both). He was an AVID rocketshipper (like borderline obsessive and possessive) so obviously he chose to keep them.
I don't know where you got this from. He didn't keep them because he was an avid Rocketshipper with some borderline issues (what), but because their sense of existence was much stronger than Kasumi's.

But i think that since he didnt get to do wut he wanted with the rockets, he figured he would also invalidate Ash and Mistys love while he was at it out of bitterness. Thats just the thought that comes to mind after reading about him and his blogs. Cuz there would b no other reason for him to act like that and say that pokeshipping doesnt exist.
Interprete it the way you want, but for me, the writer's intention can't be wrong. If he wrote "Pokeshipping" (which could be also read as friendship) with no intention of them being in love, then it should be taken as a canon truth. The rest of it is just a fandom's imagination (I'm not saying that it's a wrong thing, that's the main fun about shipping - but being mad and bashing the person you owe so much for just because he didn't have intention to make Pokeshipping canon in the first place is wrong). He didn't do it, because he was bitter or anything. He was even sorry about it, for making WESTERN fans think like that.

Yes, Western. Japanese fans didn't have a problem with his entries, because they ship for fun and the many of them just simply don't care if their ship is going to be canon or not. Hence why there's so much support for crack shippings/shippings without any hints at all in the Japanese fandom. They think it's cute, hot or something? They ship it. They don't treat shipping as srs business like we do.
Well first i'd like to say that this was me stating the conclusions i drew from reading over his blogs. Sure rockets' existence may have been stronger (and thats fine and maybe true--wutever) but the point i was trying to make there was since he loved the rockets so much and intended for rocketshipping to happen, then of course that would obviously help influence his decision between "them or misty".
And yes i see your point about bashing. And even though thats how i perceived him even after reading how he thought and even how he handled situations with Omae-sama, it is wrong for me to do that. I'm mature enough to admit that and apologize for that.
But either way the initial point still stands. His opinions about pokeshipping just dont seem right/dont fit because for one, he wasnt the only writer. So the other writers' intentions in regards to pokeshipping would hafta be weighed in. And two, like everyone else has said, there were so many pokeshipping scenes. And if you wanna say shipping in general could also just mean friendship fine. Yes there are other ships out there just because they're fun to do and could be subject to opinion but some of those types of ships dont have evidence and are just being done for fun like you said. But wut im saying in regards to pokeshipping is this: there is more than enough evidence to say pokeshipping could indeed be love and deserves to be canon. And it just doesnt make sense for someone (especially someone who worked on the show) to say contrary especially when scenes of the very show theyre working on say otherwise.
 
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Not really. Most modern viewers are indifferent to Brock's departure and Misty remained gone in the first place for the same reason. The original trio is not why people watch Pokemon. If that were the case the show could have never gone on for 10 years without it.

Actually, I've seen a lot of people saying that they continued to watch Pokémon because Brock was there. And I messed up with the modern viewers thing. Most ORIGINAL viewers miss Brock. That dropped the scales for views. But what people loved about the trio is really how that trio was the original (obviously) and also Team Rocket were not so serious in the beginning. A lot of people miss how when the original trio was there, it was more adventure and random things in the way and then they save the day and Team Rocket blasts off (again). It never really gets old. Now they are all bad-ass (but not in a good way) and stole Pikachu. And it worked (but Ash obviously went and got it back). So I guess people really miss the immaturity and how fun (and it actually used to be a bit funny) and care-free it was. It's all business now.
 
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Not really. Most modern viewers are indifferent to Brock's departure and Misty remained gone in the first place for the same reason. The original trio is not why people watch Pokemon. If that were the case the show could have never gone on for 10 years without it.

Actually, I've seen a lot of people saying that they continued to watch Pokémon because Brock was there. And I messed up with the modern viewers thing. Most ORIGINAL viewers miss Brock. That dropped the scales for views. But what people loved about the trio is really how that trio was the original (obviously) and also Team Rocket were not so serious in the beginning. A lot of people miss how when the original trio was there, it was more adventure and random things in the way and then they save the day and Team Rocket blasts off (again). It never really gets old. Now they are all bad-ass (but not in a good way) and stole Pikachu. And it worked (but Ash obviously went and got it back). So I guess people really miss the immaturity and how fun (and it actually used to be a bit funny) and care-free it was. It's all business now.
Are you joking? People didn't continue watching because Brock was still there, they watched because they enjoy the show. Misty and Brock aren't any more popular than May, Dawn, Iris or Cilan. Most people aren't obsessed with the original trio.

That's why Pokeshipping was largely left on the sidelines, the writers saw no reason to focus on it much anymore.
 
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No, I've seen a lot of viewers actually say they don't like the new series. But they watch it anyway. Maybe because it was Cilan and Iris. Honestly, they seemed a lot like Brock and Misty (Cilan the cook, and Iris just seemed like her). I like those characters, but Team Rocket just ruined everything for me really. I got bored easily with them. But I still enjoy and support RocketShipping. But anyway, I actually wanted to ask someone if the new generation is just a reboot of everything, since that's what I heard. Is that true? Anyone know?
 
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No it's not a reboot. Pokeshipping was left on the side because the writers knew they were never bringing Misty back anyway, so why focus on a ship when one half of it has been gone for 10 years?

And I don't know why you're basing a few people's opinions on BW as everyone. The show has remained a relatively consistent quality since the end of the tedious Johto arc which is why people continue to watch year after year. People stop watching because they became adults and went to College and moved on.

Pokeshipping is largely a plotline from nearly 15 years ago after all.
 
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I wasn't talking about PokéShipping... I was talking about the games and anime itself. Gliscor'd, I'm not really in the mood to start a whole debate, since I actually have to fall a sleep soon, so all I'm asking is if the games and anime are just a reboot of the whole thing. That's it.
 
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OK. But the games and anime are still hugely successful.

Takeshi Shudo did call Misty the least justified main character at the time. It's why she was the shortest lived classic Kanto character of the show. If the other writers saw differently, they probably would have reversed his decision after he left, but they didn't.

Pokeshipping got closure in AG more or less as it would be her final appearances in the show to date.
 
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On that note, I'd like this conversation to end and for you all to please get back on Pokeshipping.
 
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Hello again everyone. It seems I've been away for quite a while - I hope I haven't missed any good topics.

I did however hear about the whole 'gym leaders appearing in BW2' thing from somewhere else, and I think it's easily the best chance we've had in about 2 years of Misty reappearing in the anime. Admittedly I do think the chances are still pretty slim; they might skip or change that whole tournament in Best Wishes, but despite that, the fact that they've used hers and Brock's artwork to promote the new games shows that they haven't forgotten about her character (even though they obviously didn't think of this tournament just to get her back in the games). Also, this artwork could introduce a new fondness of Misty's character in younger viewers who've never seen/heard of Misty before, and if her popularity were to suddenly increase, who knows, we might see her in the anime yet.
 
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I'm not waiting for episode cameos (it's not impossible - just very unlikely imo) but... Perhaps Misty (and the other girls) will have a cameo in the new opening for Be an Arrow? Something subtle but cute like the Queen of Hearts card in Spurt! would be quite nice.
 
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Im still hoping for her to be in an episode cuz it would totally fit b/c of the tournament. But if we dont it would be nice to have her cameo in the intro :) i love that queen of hearts card cameo that sato-chan mentioned :) cuz not only does it give her a cameo but it also gives proof beyond any reasonable doubt that there is a romantic connection between ash and misty :)
 
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Im still hoping for her to be in an episode cuz it would totally fit b/c of the tournament. But if we dont it would be nice to have her cameo in the intro :) i love that queen of hearts card cameo that sato-chan mentioned :) cuz not only does it give her a cameo but it also gives proof beyond any reasonable doubt that there is a romantic connection between ash and misty :)
Hearts are generally considered feminine,so its no surprise Misty would be on a hearts card. I wouldn't look too much into that.
 
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Im still hoping for her to be in an episode cuz it would totally fit b/c of the tournament. But if we dont it would be nice to have her cameo in the intro :) i love that queen of hearts card cameo that sato-chan mentioned :) cuz not only does it give her a cameo but it also gives proof beyond any reasonable doubt that there is a romantic connection between ash and misty :)
Hearts are generally considered feminine,so its no surprise Misty would be on a hearts card. I wouldn't look too much into that.
well arent you just the little wet blanket :p i see your point but i stand firm on the subject. cuz they didnt hafta do the card thing at all, but when they did they made a point to make the card like that. and if u think about it when a boy is young, his mom is the most important woman in his life--that is until he falls in love and/or gets married--in which case his new mate becomes the "queen of his heart." but alas, at this point since ash is still young, moms on the top and mistys on the bottom--which isnt a bad thing, cuz shes still on the card and it still shows shes in his heart. sore wa machigaenai yo, jijitsu dakara :)
 
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Misty and Delia were the only older female characters at the time though, remember May was still a main character and Dawn and Iris didn't even exist yet.

So to see two older females placed together wasn't exactly surprising. They could have chosen a hearts card for any number of reasons, its just that hearts are more feminine than spades or clubs or whatever.
 
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