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Random Messages 14: Please Put Spoiler Tags Around USUM Spoilers

Best Just Ice League Hero

  • Soup Herman

    Votes: 10 58.8%
  • Bartman

    Votes: 5 29.4%
  • Stevie Wonder

    Votes: 5 29.4%
  • Adobe Flash

    Votes: 8 47.1%
  • Jupitarian

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Green Torch

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Ocean Man

    Votes: 5 29.4%
  • Blue Arrow

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • The Answer

    Votes: 5 29.4%
  • Grey Parrot

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Winglady

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Strech Guy

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • Simon Berg

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • Enzap

    Votes: 13 76.5%
  • Bumble Bees?

    Votes: 10 58.8%
  • Yellow Skinned Wacky Man

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • Total voters
    17
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Well... I guess that makes sense. I guess.
 

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How? Because they (somewhat) provided balance and nerfed the relatively overpowered Dragon Type?
“Relatively Overpowered”
First. Dragons were not. They were super effective on themselves and weak to the common Ice Type. Dragons relied solely on powerful Dragon attacks. But again, they were weaker then other moves like it because they were only super effective on themselves. It was a weird state for them.

Also, Fairy types are now gods. Immune to and resisting powerful types like Dragon and Dark? The 2 types it is weak to are only really used offensively because of Fairies. With powerful moves like Moonblast and Dazzling Gleam that can be commonly learned along with Psychic moves to get around Poison Types, the only bad thing is they are really weak to physical moves. Iron Head and Poison Jab could one-shot Fairies easy. Twinkle Tackle Moonblast Clefable with max Sp. Attack comes in like a wrecking ball. How is the Fairy type balanced? How was the Dragon type overpowered? Faries did in fact ruin OU.
 

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“Relatively Overpowered”
First. Dragons were not. They were super effective on themselves and weak to the common Ice Type. Dragons relied solely on powerful Dragon attacks. But again, they were weaker then other moves like it because they were only super effective on themselves. It was a weird state for them.

Also, Fairy types are now gods. Immune to and resisting powerful types like Dragon and Dark? The 2 types it is weak to are only really used offensively because of Fairies. With powerful moves like Moonblast and Dazzling Gleam that can be commonly learned along with Psychic moves to get around Poison Types, the only bad thing is they are really weak to physical moves. Iron Head and Poison Jab could one-shot Fairies easy. Twinkle Tackle Moonblast Clefable with max Sp. Attack comes in like a wrecking ball. How is the Fairy type balanced? How was the Dragon type overpowered? Faries did in fact ruin OU.
Exactly, in being weak to themselves, Dragons forced an interesting situation, either you stayed in and took a powerful attack, or you switched, in a very predictable manner, likely to another Dragon Type that will get it's butt whooped. Many Dragon Types were also fast, with very respectable coverage, meaning that even if you had a Pokemon with a Dragon or Ice Type move that wasn't one of those types, the Dragon would likely slam you with a Super Effective move and be done with you.

The very fact that Fairy Type are now centralising (but not weak to themselves), makes for a fairer centralisation. They're typically less diverse, and can't just slam with themselves with STAB and be done with it. They also shook up the metagame, by suddenly making Poison and Steel type attacks relevant, resulting in a greater meta change than if they didn't appear. Plus, Twinkle Tackle is like, one off, surely there's ways to handle things after it's over?
 

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Exactly, in being weak to themselves, Dragons forced an interesting situation, either you stayed in and took a powerful attack, or you switched, in a very predictable manner, likely to another Dragon Type that will get it's butt whooped. Many Dragon Types were also fast, with very respectable coverage, meaning that even if you had a Pokemon with a Dragon or Ice Type move that wasn't one of those types, the Dragon would likely slam you with a Super Effective move and be done with you.

The very fact that Fairy Type are now centralising (but not weak to themselves), makes for a fairer centralisation. They're typically less diverse, and can't just slam with themselves with STAB and be done with it. They also shook up the metagame, by suddenly making Poison and Steel type attacks relevant, resulting in a greater meta change than if they didn't appear. Plus, Twinkle Tackle is like, one off, surely there's ways to handle things after it's over?
Fair points. But Dragon types are made to be powerful, and most have weaknesses. Some are too frail, others too slow, and so on. But read this.

Not to mention fairies completely beat down good pokes to the bottom on every tier.

RIP norm Sableye
That is so true. Clefable is now used almost as often as Chansey for a special wall, but Clefable can actually attack.
 

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They Screwed OU Tier Over
This is in fact, not an inherently bad thing. From a personal level, yeah, it sucks, I can appreciate that. But from a meta point of view, it creates a shift, resulting in Pokemon being used that wouldn't even be considered otherwise. And there's nothing saying that some of those Pokemon couldn't come back if something else shakes up the playing field. Another new type, a revamp to mechanics, any number of things could potentially revive your precious Sabeleye. Well, the Mega-Evolution kinda did that already, but the point still stands.
That is so true. Clefable is now used almost as often as Chansey for a special wall, but Clefable can actually attack.
So you do what people did when Dragons were a threat. Play around it. Use something with a powerful Physical Steel/Poison type attack, beat it at its own walling game with Poison/Burn damage. That's how games like this work, you play around things that worry you, and if workarounds conflict, take a calculated risk, which would be more likely/harmful to appear? Can I still deal with one to a lesser degree with something else I have?
 

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In all honesty if fairies are too much of a threat then just use Mega Bee, or mega gross if it stays ou. They were major issues for fairy types in G6 but with the legendary Tapu Pokémon Mega bee is probably the best check / hard counter
 
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