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Riko is really the protagonist?

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Do you believe that Riko/Liko is the new protagonist of the show? Maybe I'm being cynical, but it's still hard to believe that they do something like casting a girl as the main character, after seeing how they treated most of the previous female cast.
 
I don't know if it's been confirmed yet, but I think most people assume that she's the new lead since Riko is featured closer towards the center of the reveal poster than Roy is. I think we also see her choosing her starter in the teaser for the new series and I'm not sure if Roy is shown there as well. After how the past two series have handled female characters, it would be kind of strange, if not unexpected, for them to make Riko the new lead. They may be going for another co-protagonist setup with Riko and Roy.

Depending on her goal and personality, having a female character as the main lead sounds nice on paper, but that would kind of make me a bit more unsure of how they'll handle Riko, especially when I think that the track record for female leads since BW have been spotty at best.
 
I believe he is the protagonist.
In the poster, she is closer to the center than Roy, and she is the only one to appear in the trailer.
 
You got me thinking on two arguments on why it could work, and then two counter arguments...

"There's precedent in BW with Ash's presence being hidden for a while"->Ash was hidden as to not spoil the result of the Sinnoh League, in this case there's nothing to spoil as the remaining episodes will focus only on Ash which we know will not be present.

"The real protagonist could be an almost-clone of Ash as to not disturb the marketing"->They already took a big risk by announcing Ash will not be present, announcing they had a back up plan all along would feel misleading and disapointing. Also, Riko fills the bill somewhat, with her black hair and her hair clip.
 
Do you believe that Riko/Liko is the new protagonist of the show? Maybe I'm being cynical, but it's still hard to believe that they do something like casting a girl as the main character, after seeing how they treated most of the previous female cast.
Since when are we following the rule of "one female character treated badly = the show, even if unrelated can never have a female protagonist"
The existence of Dawn blows the premise of this thread into smithereens.
 
Short answer: Yes, it is almost certain Liko is the main protagonist given that she's the only trainer we see in the trailer, and she takes center stage in the poster. But to answer it in a longer term:
Do you believe that Riko/Liko is the new protagonist of the show? Maybe I'm being cynical, but it's still hard to believe that they do something like casting a girl as the main character, after seeing how they treated most of the previous female cast.
We know that the anime can make a female co-protagonist front and center. Dawn is proof of that concept. We also know that traditionally, one of the few ways to distinguish a new main character from the old one is a contrast. For example, Avatar Korra is a hot-blooded, ready for action girl to serve as a contrast to her predecessor Avatar Aang, a peace-loving boy. You also have Rey and Luke Skywalker from Star Wars, Sam Wilson and Steve Rogers in MCU Captain America, Red and Yellow in Pokémon Adventures, etc. There are some similarities at the core, but many differences in on the surface. So when you look at Ash, the quintessential shoenn boy archetype of the Pokémon for over 25 years, his successor has to be very a distinct character, not simply a clone of Ash. And Liko has the right amount of balance between familiarity and freshness. You can tell she has Ash's spirit (with a Pokémon League symbol hairclip) but is clearly a distinct protagonist by her own right.

As to the previous treatment of the female cast, that's very easy to answer: Ash occupies the main protagonist role in all the series. Consequently, anyone who is not Ash has to take goals that are not related to his goals at best, or just act as his cheerleaders/support team. The thing is, Ash occupies the Gym Badge Quest. This means that no companion can partake a battler route and do Gym Battles themselves without either being a rival collecting them off-screen or doing it as a one shot measure to serve as a Gym Leader's cannon fodder for Ash's future battle.

Ash leaving the anime opens up the Gym Quests to be taken by a female protagonist for the first time. There'll be no repetition of Gym Battles and we actually get to root for Liko to win a Pokémon League herself even if she doesn't win (that's assuming she's taking the Gym Quests).
 
If Riko is the protagonist, they're mostly doing it to shake up the status quo since they're finally retiring Ash as a main character (this doesn't rule him out coming back as a supporting or recurring character). I mean, kinda be dumb to have a character somewhat be like Ash replace him when Riko will most likely be his antithesis to the point including gender.

Also while Riko will most likely be "main" character, nothing disproves Roy being the deuteragonist just Riko being a bit more important over him. It could also be following what Yokai Watch found success in, actively promoting to young boys and girls while despite Pokémon doing so for years as always lean over to promoting to boys with girl characters often during stereotypical girl activities (to the detriment of some characters in my opinion, looking at you Chloe). Having a female lead also is major change within Pokémon's genre anyways, since it's never seen in stuff like this. Every long runner anime has female main protagonists but their never the lead (Naruto had Sakura but was really unpopular for example), last time I saw this was Soul Eater so I excited to see what they do.
 
It has already been confirmed that Riko and Roy are the protagonists of the upcoming series.
 
Since when are we following the rule of "one female character treated badly = the show, even if unrelated can never have a female protagonist"
The existence of Dawn blows the premise of this thread into smithereens.
The difference between DP Dawn and Journeys Dawn is pretty apparent though. I don't think that Dawn was necessarily poorly written in Journeys, but the fact that she was so stagnant compared to virtually every other returning character made her stand out like a bad thumb. I don't think it's a case of just Chloe treated poorly either. After how Journeys and to a lesser degree SM handled its female characters, it does seem a bit strange for them to go for a female lead in this series. Dawn shows that they can make well written female leads, but after Journeys didn't even bother to have a proper female lead, I'm not confident that they can pull off Riko as well as they did with Dawn at the moment.
 
The difference between DP Dawn and Journeys Dawn is pretty apparent though. I don't think that Dawn was necessarily poorly written in Journeys, but the fact that she was so stagnant compared to virtually every other returning character made her stand out like a bad thumb. I don't think it's a case of just Chloe treated poorly either. After how Journeys and to a lesser degree SM handled its female characters, it does seem a bit strange for them to go for a female lead in this series. Dawn shows that they can make well written female leads, but after Journeys didn't even bother to have a proper female lead, I'm not confident that they can pull off Riko as well as they did with Dawn at the moment.

Honestly, I think Dawn was so stagnant in Journeys because they don't know how to develop her anymore. Not to mention that they don't seem to want to show regular Contests again.

Riko wouldn't be a female companion. She will likely be the main lead for the story (or a deuteragonist along Roy). Even if her goal isn't battle oriented, the story will follow her and her Pokemon. So, she won't receive the treatment of Chloe or SM girls.


PS: I think they choose a female lead to prevent comparisons with Ash. They knew a new male lead will bring more comparisons and resentment.
 
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Honestly, I think Dawn was so stagnant in Journeys because they don't know how to develop her anymore. Not to mention that they don't seem to want to show regular Contests again.
That's still a pretty bad sign though. If they couldn't even be bothered to give her a Typhlosion, or really any sign that her off-screen travels have resulted in anything more than a few more ribbons, then that doesn't give me more confidence about how they can handle a new female lead. That's why I brought up the differences between Dawn in both series. DP actually cared enough to give her consistent focus and screentime while despite appearing so much in Journeys, Dawn doesn't really get much to actually do. Obviously, I wasn't expecting Dawn to get a major storyline in Journeys, but my point is that despite being well written in DP, they couldn't really do much for her in Journeys.

Riko wouldn't be a female companion. She will likely be the main lead for the story (or a deuteragonist along Roy). Even if her goal isn't battle oriented, the story will follow her and her Pokemon. So, she won't receive the treatment of Chloe or SM girls.
I was thinking more about the writing quality of the SM girls and Chloe rather than just their treatment. I don't think that they were poorly written per say. Chloe in particular is both a highlight of Journeys and one its flaws at the same time and Lillie had some great moments in SM, especially during its first year. However, I don't think that the writing for the female cast in either series was particularly good. The series is going to follow Riko and her Pokemon, which would require consistent screentime and development ideally, but that doesn't mean that it will be handled well. Coming right after Journeys especially makes me more cautious about how they'll handle Riko. She could have a well written and engaging storyline and that would be great, but I don't have a lot of confidence after how the past couple of series have handled their female leads.

PS: I think they choose a female lead to prevent comparisons with Ash. They knew a new male lead will bring more comparisons and resentment.
I'm positive that comparisons are going to be made regardless. I don't know about how much resentment it brought, but so many people were instantly jumping on the "Riko is Ash's daughter" theory and going by the clip in her hair being the same shape as the logo on Ash's OS hat. Perhaps it wouldn't be as direct or overt if Roy was featured more instead, but people are going to compare any lead with Ash regardless of their gender. Not to mention the inevitable "Which is the better protagonist?" question popping up sometime down the road.
 
Since when are we following the rule of "one female character treated badly = the show, even if unrelated can never have a female protagonist"
The existence of Dawn blows the premise of this thread into smithereens.
Well, she is an exception, and none of her successors were shown anywhere close. And even Hikari had to share her place as co-protagonist with Satoshi and stand slightly backward to not overshadow him. Riko is the main character, female, and stand up front of Roy, it's something they never done before.
 
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Well, she is an exception, and none of her successors were shown anywhere close. And even Hikari had to share her place as co-protagonist with Satoshi and stand slightly backward to not overshadow him. Riko is the main character, female, and stand up front of Roy, it's something they never done before.

I suspect Liko and Roy will be deuteragonists similar to Satoshi and Goh. The synopsis mentioned Liko and Roy as main characters.

The trailer focus on Liko, but it could be because the first episode focus on her. That said, Liko seems more relevant in the poster.


PS: It's also possible Roy will have two Galar starters, since they are closer to him in the poster.
 
Like I said, Ash leaving opens a spot that was female main characters weren't able to partake, and this may be the more permanent solution rather than depending on Contests dropping and in out of the games. The only consistent aspects of Pokémon now are Battling and Catching. Everything else is somewhat optional. Thus, we should be looking at Journeys' duo protagonist format to know what awaits Liko and Roy.
 
I wonder now, if she's truly the main character, how much will she last as one. They choose to create an anime original character instead of Juliana. Will she outlive GIX?
 
I wonder now, if she's truly the main character, how much will she last as one. They choose to create an anime original character instead of Juliana. Will she outlive GIX?
If she gets one of the Paldea starters as her first Pokemon, which is extremely likely if not flat out confirmed, I think that means that she'll be around for just this generation. She would still be associated with the ninth generation and they'd want to have someone feature the tenth generation starters instead.
 
If she gets one of the Paldea starters as her first Pokemon, which is extremely likely if not flat out confirmed, I think that means that she'll be around for just this generation. She would still be associated with the ninth generation and they'd want to have someone feature the tenth generation starters instead.
Ash got the Kanto Starters, but that didn't stop them from having him go for as long as he did.
 
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