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Everyone has their own way to do things and I just found my way of doing things :)

Yeah, and it's kind of really lazy. =/ I mean, come on, those drawings are on the first page of the search. If you're going to be a contributing member of this thread, make an actual effort. The rest of us definitely are.
 

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700!? Wo0o0o0o...though I wish I was actually there when it happened! :rolleyes:


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I second the "Musa-chan". That needs to happen when Rocketshipping becomes canon.

QFT! :D

or before that...
Which I picked up on might I add!! *self glorifies*

Nice finds Kanji! <33 *pets*
Page 700?!

Edit: Shit, I was so sure RG would have posted first as well! xD
Here's my favourite fearhug to make things better:

One of mine tooooooo! :D<3

...That episode made me almost like Yamato and Kosaburo *flees*
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It's a blink and you miss it type of thing. Right after the boss fantasy in DP013.
OMG! Too fast! I can't keep up! XD
Me too! XDDD
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A fearhug we got last Christmas. Maybe we will be lucky on this Thursday again?

D'awwwww. Yus please? ;)
Well I just gained a lot of respect for Takeshi Shudo. A lot of this was stuff we already knew, but it's interesting just how much he loved the Rockets and how much he seems to hate the twerps. lol.

This, is pretty much exactly what I was gonna say as well. :p

...and also, I love you and all your effort jesska! <333
I never had an idea the seiyuus themselves created the motto. That is so cute. <3

<333333333

QFT!
 

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I really hope so! It really should happen, because after all the character development (especially in regards to contests) that Musashi has had in DP, it would be a real let down for them not to follow it up with her being totally broken. And then, who better to comfort her than her bff?

Yeah, since she got already three ribbons and was so close to enter the Great Festival it must be a huge dissapointment not to get the neccessary ribbons =(. If they comfort her again I wonder what they will up to to cheer her up =)

You should start with Shaami's new animation! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLdIkhVsq48

@Shaami: I watched it yesterday and have to say: GREAT WORK! The animation is really awesome, and fits very well to the movement of the characters :) And nice of you not to forget Meowth, Shaami. I also love Jessies flashbacks where she goes though all the important Rocketshipping moments =)

I love it.

And great all you guys start a pics bombardement and I don't have any pics here, since I'm not at my PC =) A good example for bad timing.

@Jeska: What an amazing post =) You just made my day, for I have a proof to a theory I have for many many years: Team Rocket is (contrary to Ash friends^^ and as it seems Ash himself XD) indeed as unreplaceable as I always believed XD And I loved that this guy (also I had never heard of him before) love Team Rocket while he seems to see the Twerps as unimportant, and his believe that the older publics favors Team Rocket more than any characters is the case with me =)

Another question. Did I get the part right, that the three voice actors suggested to the producer to use the Motto every time? Or was this different?

Share it with the rest of fandom? Well, I guess it would be a great idea, since it would teach some people to have more respect for poor Team Rocket ("See? This is why they never left nor will leave the show!"). But with such crappy translation? I'm too ashamed :p
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What a relief that we got a proof that Team Rocket will NEVER leave the show, although the the majority of the german fancommunity screams for it. HAHA! IN YOUR FACE!

Something I forgot to mention in my last post, I really hate that Omae person. He must have loved AG. -_- I would assume he's not working for the show anymore either. If he was, DP would be completely different.

Hope he was fired because of the terrible Anti-Team Rocket policy :p

Even if it's not perfect, it's something the rest of the fandom would be interested in!

QFT! It's good to see how the stuff sees the place and the role of Team Rocket.

Seconded. It was this same impression of Rocket Dan being neglected that almost turned me off the Pokemon anime for good, but ...

I thought of that as well, but I couldn't since I was to curious what happen with TR in the future. And it payed off ;)
 

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Omg, I've just realized I haven't congratulated us on 700th page! :7up:CONGRATULATIONS!

Here's something little I've just noticed xD
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Ar they touching each other's butts? xD;
Btw, a lot time ago, I invented YuriRocketshipping (Musashi x "female" Kojiro from EP018), because yeah... I feel gay every time I watch this episode! T^T

Thank you, all the people who appreciated my work! I don't have time to translate next ones now, but I'll get around to it someday.

Jeska, you're absolutely amazing. Thank you so much! :-3 That must have been a lot of work.
Three days and one night D: I'm slooooow.
I never had an idea the seiyuus themselves created the motto. That is so cute. <3 I wonder if they rewrote the AG and Sinnoh mottos too?
No, seiyuus didn't create the motto, it was Takeshi Shudo. They were the one coming up with the idea of repeating this motto every time they encounter Satoshi&co. I'm grateful for it <3

Yeah, and it's kind of really lazy. =/ I mean, come on, those drawings are on the first page of the search. If you're going to be a contributing member of this thread, make an actual effort. The rest of us definitely are.
Yeah, Rocketshippers are definitely spoiled bastards, it's hard to impress them xD

I feel sad, because everyone is like "Ooh, I knew most of it" :p I thought you would all go "OMG, WOOT" xD
Sure, there were a lot everyone arleady knew (wait, what you arleady knew? xD), but you didn't know what was going on Takeshi Shudo's mind when he was organising the series for sure :/.
Now I feel weird, because I'm the one who went all "O.O" over it xD But yeah, I've always had a different perception from anyone :p
I know it doesn't matter now... but still, it's something big.

Now I see that there's a connection between Takeshi Shudo's leaving the show and neglection of Team Rocket. Because even if he still had his superiors banning him from some actions, he was definitely important person there. Because of it, even Takegami couldn't deliver anything during AG.
I translated also the parts where he wasn't talking about Team Rocket, just to let us understand more how this business really work. If the series constructor for Pokemon AG was anti-Team Rocket (and he the most probably was), with the supervisors and producers not caring about Team Rocket at all, it's no wonder, that they got neglected. All writers are meeting during conferences and their ideas are either approved by the others or disapproved. If you're not only in minority, but also don't have anyone superior to you supporting you, you can't do anything.
So yeah, everything is the matter of the power and influence.

There must have been some change in high-level staff during DP, that caused giving more love for Team Rocket and Rocketshipping.

In the next articles, Shudo is describing, how he tried to give Team Rocket more spotlight in his own episodes (as well as he wanted to give them main roles in Pokemon 2000!). Indeed, he wrote a few episodes that were nice from our point of view, but still, it was obviously Takegami While Shudo can be "the father", he's "the mother" of Team Rocket who take care of their upbringing. Also, he was the one, who introduced Rocketshipping to us. Shudo was definitely pro-Rocketshippy too (out of the main hints he gave us - he wrote "The Ghost of Maiden's Peak" and "Pokemon 2000" with Nyasu's blowing Musashi and Kojiro's cover so blatantly xD), but still, can't be compared with Takegami. So I think it must be that, Rocketshipping was originally Takegami's idea and Shudo approved it, but or he wasn't so interested in love stuff so much himself (not as if he wrote many episodes either) or he just entrusted the main job for Takegami, considering he would do better job with it, since it was his idea and all... but yeah, I can only guess, because he didn't mention anything about shippings, at least in these Team Rocket articles. It may be that he mentioned in some "Pokemon in general" article, but I wouldn't be surprised if he passed it over in silence. He may not be in the staff anymore, but I bet believing he
Many other writers contributed some Rocketshipping love during original series as well, but there was one rotten apple in this crowd.
Yeah, I mean our buddy Oohashi. His case made me think that there was no general idea of Rocketshipping discussing during all those conferences. Nor it was Shudo and Takegami that made just "silent pact".
I definitely missed something here.
And now, considering that even Oohashi softened... It must mean one thing.

Rocketshipping has been brought to the proper, general discussion during Pokemon DP. They also took care of their character developments.

Still, I don't have idea how it didn't make it officially when original series were airing. "Ah, feel free and do whatever you want" kind of attitude?
If even Shudo wasn't allowed to do anything he wanted, how come Oohashi was allowed to be anti-Rocketshippy when everyone else was pro-?

But yeah, I'm living in the past for no reason xD But it's always been mystery of my childhood, so I'm just nosy xD

I'm happy that the good times are back (or maybe even better than it was in the old times). Tomioka seems to like Team Rocket and Rocketshipping as well ^.^ I only hope that Omae-sama isn't in the staff anymore because he was just a bitch xP But since Team Rocket's plot seems much more important now, I guess he isn't there anymore:devil:

And, there was one more thing that really touched me. Takeshi Shudo was really ambitious, as he wanted to make a family anime that everyone could enjoy and he didn't like the regular pattern of the episodes. He even stated the he didn't care if the anime was less popular because of it. He just wanted to deliver product that was in good quality. It's nice that there are still people that aren't greedy for money.
But in the end, he believed that it was Team Rocket that made Pokemon anime such a great success :-D Interesting.

I also wonder if these articles have something to do about changing attitude towards Team Rocket and developing the series overall... But I need to read more of it to learn if he's mentioning that change in the series or not.

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I think me joining here was a bad idea? :(
I'm sorry, but you've just failed the Rocketshipper's test D: True Rocketshipper, whenever he fails at something, never questions such things but TRIES HARDER. We have a Team Rocket as our idols after all, so they're our authorities. Have you ever seen Team Rocket saying "Joining Team Rocket was a bad idea, since we fail every day and we can't impress our boss at all!"? No. They just keep going.
And don't expect us to feel impressed by something that:
1. doesn't have any Rocketshippingness in it.
2. you didn't put any effort for.
We're demanding crowd, deal with it.

@Jeska: What an amazing post =) You just made my day, for I have a proof to a theory I have for many many years: Team Rocket is (contrary to Ash friends^^ and as it seems Ash himself XD) indeed as unreplaceable as I always believed XD And I loved that this guy (also I had never heard of him before) love Team Rocket while he seems to see the Twerps as unimportant, and his believe that the older publics favors Team Rocket more than any characters is the case with me =)
Thank you :) Yes, that made me feel really proud of being Team Rocket fan :) And also, I no longer feel guilty for watching anime for kids xD I've always had a feeling, that Pokemon isn't totally intended for kids, but now I have a proof! ^.^

Another question. Did I get the part right, that the three voice actors suggested to the producer to use the Motto every time? Or was this different?
Yeah, you got that right :3

What a relief that we got a proof that Team Rocket will NEVER leave the show, although the the majority of the german fancommunity screams for it. HAHA! IN YOUR FACE!
I think it's a relief that they didn't leave the show after Shudo had gone! The people in charge at that time might be stupid, but not to THAT extent.
And yeah, it's the same with Polish retards fandom. But I don't feel really willing to write at least one post on their forums. Impressing 10- years olds who can't even write? What for? xD; Especially if they get bored with the show in 2 months :p

QFT! It's good to see how the stuff sees the place and the role of Team Rocket.
I'm glad to know my work wasn't in vain :)
 
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Umm, woooooooooooooah. O_O
That article is just woooooaaaaaah.

Jeska, you are my IDOL! x3 *glomps* I can't believe you put so much effort and did that! It's so amazing, I can hardly believe it! (And you were right about loving the seiyuu even more after this! x3) You have to share this with the whole fandom, your English is really good! THere's all to be proud and nothing to be ashamed of in that translation.
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Ar they touching each other's butts? xD;
:lol: OMG!
I feel sad, because everyone is like "Ooh, I knew most of it"
I didn't! :p I was quite astounded beyond belief. In fact, I read this hours ago, but it was so much I could hardly take it in and had to go away and come back again!
And now, considering that even Oohashi softened... It must mean one thing.

Rocketshipping has been brought to the proper, general discussion during Pokemon DP. They also took care of their character developments.
Yes. That arsehole Omae-sama obviously went before DP, and someone somewhere must have pointed out that it needed changing. I guess this much we knew before, but not really this solidly and not the details.

Oh man, I'm still in a state of shock-squee-zomg-ness! x3
*goes off to do a little dance*
 

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I want to respond to stuff Jeska said, but her post is just too long so I'll just say it like this.

1. Takeshi Shudo can go (insert favorite curse word here). Apparently Pokeshipping never existed and shippings in general weren't a part of the show. He hasn't mention Rocketshipping by name, so maybe we're safe, but since I'm a Pokeshipper I'm mainly mad about that.

2. That picture you posted doesn't work Jeska.
 

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Yeah, it's really bad from Pokeshipping's POV. I'm kind of scared to read more what he says, but if there is anything important - negative or positive - of our shipping, we should know about it. At least things are different now, the writers have changed, and Poke and Rocket are different anyway. Musashi and Kojiro are still here... And at least it is clear that they will never apart from each other.

If anything becomes canon, it will be in the end of the series, because it will not affect the rest of the series in any way. We just need to see what 2010 brings us - If we get new DP117-quality hints, even if it's one scene/episode, then we should be optimistic. Thank you Jeska for translating this stuff, btw. <3
 

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1. Takeshi Shudo can go (insert favorite curse word here). Apparently Pokeshipping never existed and shippings in general weren't a part of the show. He hasn't mention Rocketshipping by name, so maybe we're safe, but since I'm a Pokeshipper I'm mainly mad about that.
Well BOLLOCKS to Takeshi Shudo!! :saiyan:

However, I don't think Rocket is a part of this really, because Musashi, Kojiro and Nyasu are actually slightly separate from the show and its conforms. And also, this seems a rather outdated view considering the humungous BLATANTNESS that was ContestShipping.
Musashi and Kojiro are still here... And at least it is clear that they will never apart from each other.
This exactly. As I said, Musashi and Kojiro don't really fit into the whole shippings won't happen scheme of things, because they're not kids, all the other reasons we've ever said .etc.

And anyhow, MAEMUKI!! :-D It's not over till the fat lady sings, especially for us!!
 

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Well BOLLOCKS to Takeshi Shudo!! :saiyan:

However, I don't think Rocket is a part of this really, because Musashi, Kojiro and Nyasu are actually slightly separate from the show and its conforms. And also, this seems a rather outdated view considering the humungous BLATANTNESS that was ContestShipping.

This exactly. As I said, Musashi and Kojiro don't really fit into the whole shippings won't happen scheme of things, because they're not kids, all the other reasons we've ever said .etc.

And anyhow, MAEMUKI!! :-D It's not over till the fat lady sings, especially for us!!

Not to mention that Shudo obviously hated the twerps.

I should have just shut up unless I read the whole thing. I got scared after the first several sentences and didn't want to read more.

But it looks like now I have to:/. Btw, I think that someone who's objective about shippings should translate it. It's not for my nerves, that's first, and I bet that Pokeshippers will believe somebody who's objective rather than a random Rocketshipper.

I want to respond to stuff Jeska said, but her post is just too long so I'll just say it like this.



1. Takeshi Shudo can go (insert favorite curse word here). Apparently Pokeshipping never existed and shippings in general weren't a part of the show. He hasn't mention Rocketshipping by name, so maybe we're safe, but since I'm a Pokeshipper I'm mainly mad about that.

No he didn't say that about all shippings, just about Pokeshipping.

He wrote:
If Kasumi's feeling of love towards Satoshi would become Pokemon's subject, it would break the whole structure of Pokemon.

He explained after, that Satoshi intended to be interested in Pokemon, not about girls. With him changing his interest to girls, it would be totally different series.

Rocketshipping wouldn't cause such damage, since they're not the main characters and have different goals. Btw, it doesn't disturbs Rocketshipping becoming a canon at the end of the series. Also, Takeshi Shudo regarded them in completely other way. He didn't mention Rocketshipping (as any other shipping), but they're still on the show, so I guess he couldn't say anything about it. So unless he says that Rocketshippi9ng was a lie as well, I think we're safe.
 
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Kanji, remove that sig right this instant. It's cute you included us but it's nothing but immature flame bait.

Yeah, it's really bad from Pokeshipping's POV. I'm kind of scared to read more what he says, but if there is anything important - negative or positive - of our shipping, we should know about it.

Absolutely. Even if it hurts, I want to know what was going through his mind.

We just need to see what 2010 brings us - If we get new DP117-quality hints, even if it's one scene/episode, then we should be optimistic.

I see no reason to not be optimistic at the moment unless Shudo pulls the "They're just really close friends" card out of his ass, which wouldn't surprise me at all.

And also, this seems a rather outdated view considering the humungous BLATANTNESS that was ContestShipping.

Well duh. But that happened after he left the show, and that ship is as resolved as its going to get.

And anyhow, MAEMUKI!! :-D It's not over till the fat lady sings, especially for us!!

QFT. Pokeshipping may be dead, but we aren't yet.
 

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I see no reason to not be optimistic at the moment unless Shudo pulls the "They're just really close friends" card out of his ass, which wouldn't surprise me at all.
Well, we will have to see. I'm sorry to make you read the text Jeska, but we should know.

And besides, like you guys said, if there is something bad in the text, it won't kill our ship. Shudo's words affect only Pokeshipping and the "old" Rocketshipping, but he doesn't have much power against the Musashi and Kojiro we have nowadays.
 

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Something else that's interesting is that he was the one who had Nyasu say that Musashi and Kojiro are "Love-love" all the time. So if he doesn't address Rocketshipping at all then I don't know what to think except I guess it's ok.
 

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He wrote:
If Kasumi's feeling of love towards Satoshi would become Pokemon's subject, it would break the whole structure of Pokemon.

He explained after, that Satoshi intended to be interested in Pokemon, not about girls. With him changing his interest to girls, it would be totally different series.
But still, that doesn't say to me even that Pokeshipping is dead. It just says that love was never intended to be and never will be the subject of the show. Which is something that's always been quite obvious anyway! So I really don't think this is a problem for us, especially if he doesn't mention Musashi and Kojiro.
Kanji, remove that sig right this instant. It's cute you included us but it's nothing but immature flame bait.
I'm not removing it! :p (Maybe I'll change the tagline though...)
Shudo's words affect only Pokeshipping and the "old" Rocketshipping, but he doesn't have much power against the Musashi and Kojiro we have nowadays.
This. Yes, it is very interesting to hear what he has to say and it probably has a lot of relevance, but Rocketshipping has had a huge revival in DP, and Shudo's not even working on the show anymore!
Something else that's interesting is that he was the one who had Nyasu say that Musashi and Kojiro are "Love-love" all the time. So if he doesn't address Rocketshipping at all then I don't know what to think except I guess it's ok.
Exactly. He obviously approves of it from what he's written, and unlike with Satoshi/Kasumi, Musashi and Kojiro's relationship is one of the most important factors of their characters! Not to say that Satoshi and Kasumi don't care for each other - of course they do. But their roles are tied down to the Pokemon aspect. For the TRio, the most important bit is themselves.
 

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But still, that doesn't say to me even that Pokeshipping is dead.

Except the part where he said it was never intended happen.

I'm not removing it! :p (Maybe I'll change the tagline though...)

That's actually what I meant, but you saw it before I had the chance to edit my post. >_<

unlike with Satoshi/Kasumi, Musashi and Kojiro's relationship is one of the most important factors of their characters!

Eh, I think that's stretching it a bit...
 

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Pokeshipping may be dead, but we ain't, so I'm jus' fine. =3

AND II KANJI, OMG, YOUR SIG, IT IS SO CUTE. <3<3<3
 

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I've read the whole article. And for now, we're safe. No Rocketshipping mentioned.

I've just learned that Team Rocket's existence in the show was endangered before Pokemon AG.
They had a choice - whether to substitute her or Team Rocket, but he didn't permit to substitute Team Rocket since they had sense of existence.
Shudo said that even if it seems like there are episodes, where you don't even know what Team Rocket is showing up for, but without them Pokemon wouldn't be Pokemon.
Even if other villains showed up, Team Rocket remained undisturbed. It was impossible to make them leave.
He felt sorry for Kasumi, but for him it was Team Rocket trio he regarded highly the most.

I thought he was the series constructor up to EP150-something, like Bulbapedia stated... but since it was him who decided on Kasumi's leaving the series... (if you want to know more, read the Pokeshipping thread)

But still, that doesn't say to me even that Pokeshipping is dead. It just says that love was never intended to be and never will be the subject of the show. Which is something that's always been quite obvious anyway! So I really don't think this is a problem for us, especially if he doesn't mention Musashi and Kojiro.
Yes, it only worried him if it became the main theme of the show. So maybe it's great that Musashi and Kojiro didn't end up as the main characters in the end xD;

I'm not removing it! :p (Maybe I'll change the tagline though...)
Kanji, please, remove it... we were working so hard for "mature" image, so please don't spoil it with such a thing D:
EDIT: Ok, I see you edited the tagline. Ok, now that's a lot better, it may stay this way <3

This. Yes, it is very interesting to hear what he has to say and it probably has a lot of relevance, but Rocketshipping has had a huge revival in DP, and Shudo's not even working on the show anymore!
Now I need to find Tomioka/Takegami's blog! XDDDDD My next mission, haha.

Exactly. He obviously approves of it from what he's written, and unlike with Satoshi/Kasumi, Musashi and Kojiro's relationship is one of the most important factors of their characters! Not to say that Satoshi and Kasumi don't care for each other - of course they do. But their roles are tied down to the Pokemon aspect. For the TRio, the most important bit is themselves.
QFT. Especially if it's arleady clear that they will never leave the show until the series end. I think it's very high possibility that Rocketshipping becomes canon then, because it wouldn't be harmful for the series in any way xD; But yeah, Shudo's point of view is unimportant now for us ;)

We need Tomioka's point of view! :D

I can't wait to see what 2010 brings us :3
 

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I can't wait to see what 2010 brings us :3
Yup yup! Let's all wish for another good Rocketshipping year on New Year. A good way to start a new decade. Thank you so much Jeska for translating!

I'm very thankful that Shudo liked the Rockets. He might've been an ass from Kasumi's fans' POV, but I care about the Rockets more than anything else.
 

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Yup yup! Let's all wish for another good Rocketshipping year on New Year. A good way to start a new decade. Thank you so much Jeska for translating!
You're welcome :3

I'm very thankful that Shudo liked the Rockets. He might've been an ass from Kasumi's fans' POV, but I care about the Rockets more than anything else.
Exactly! If he didn't like them... they would have been gone arleady in 2002 T.T I feel grateful for him as well!
I didn't care about Kasumi, but I can't see why he just couldn't make some character development for Kasumi instead getting rid of her though... but that's not the talk for this topic.
 

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Except the part where he said it was never intended happen.
Was this actually said, because I can't see anything that even vaguely resembles it in what Jeska posted.
Eh, I think that's stretching it a bit...
How so? With Satoshi, the important bits are his dream to be a "Pokemon master", his gym quest, catching/training pokemon and his friendships with them, especially Pikachu. With the TRio, it obviously includes their villany, but beyond that their relationships with each other are some of the most important things!
AND II KANJI, OMG, YOUR SIG, IT IS SO CUTE. <3<3<3
Thank you!

And btw, I totally didn't intend for it to be a flamebait! I actually forgot about any potential competition with other threads until RG reminded me :p It was purely innocent, I swear!!
They had a choice - whether to substitute her or Team Rocket, but he didn't permit to substitute Team Rocket since they had sense of existence.
As sad as Kasumi's departure made me at the time (that I found out, which was years after the event itself xD), I have to be glad at what he did there, obviously for the me of now! But also because I think the inclusion of Haruka and all the other changes made in AG (bar the practically nonexistence of the Rockets) did help to make the show a bit less stale.
Now I need to find Tomioka/Takegami's blog! XDDDDD My next mission, haha.
YES! xD DO IT JESKA!!!
I can't wait to see what 2010 brings us :3
Me too! ^^ And thank you soooooo much for all these translations! They've pretty much blown my mind!!
 
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