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Rumored Pokémon and Prediction Thread

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GiraFragMich

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humm... everything in this interview seems to point to the starters being real in my opinion. I don't understand this buzz.
 

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If anything, I'd say the interview confirms the starters.

Tsu = Western. He's a snake that starts out with four limbs and ends up with none, ala the serpent from the garden of Eden in the bible.

Pokabu = Chinese. Chinese demon-style designs along with a Journey to The West feeling to go along with Sun Wukong Infernape.

Mijimaru 3 = Samurai sea lion. He's already got the helmet and armor. The sword is right there on it's head. It removes it and reals back on hind legs when it needs to fight. Think of it's helmet as a storage space, like what Cubone and Marrowak would have if you needed to design it with it's arms free/they needed a place to keep their bones.

humm... everything in this interview seems to point to the starters being real in my opinion. I don't understand this buzz.

I don't get it either. It seems to match up perfectly.
 

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See, here's the thing. Completely aside from my personal opinions about the things he's told us, I can't understand why he would do something like this. He'll be the single most hated person in the entire fandom if he's lying (well some people will be thrilled because they hate the new Pokés, but they'll still be mad at him for making them up in the first place). What could he possibly gain from all this? To be honest, I would personally be happy if it weren't real (although I like the starter evos, their typings suck), but I just can't bring myself to accept that possibility because it makes no logical sense to me. *sigh* I guess we'll know soon enough...

He'd be infamous for trolling possibly millions of fans sucessfully. It'd almost be like a perfect crime because we have no way to prove if he's lying or not. He'd probably even have his own Bulbapedia article, lol.
 

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I can see this guy getting his house egged or something if it's fake
 

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He'd be infamous for trolling possibly millions of fans sucessfully. It'd almost be like a perfect crime because we have no way to prove if he's lying or not. He'd probably even have his own Bulbapedia article, lol.

And he'd be forgotten about the week after the games really come out, just like all fakers.

If he's right he'll be treated like a celebrity when the next games come out.


Anyways, I seriously don't see any difference between Sugimori's interview and the starter leaks.
 

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No well-respected webmaster would put in such an effort into tainting his own reputation by trolling the Pokemon community like this - period. Melkor is telling the truth; to deny this is ignorant, at this point.
 

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No well-respected webmaster would put in such an effort into tainting his own reputation by trolling the Pokemon community like this - period. Melkor is telling the truth; to deny this is ignorant, at this point.

How do you know he's telling the truth? He could be lying for all we know right now I think the chances are about 50/50 we only have one week to go then we will be able to see if these things are real or fake.
 

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The fact is that many of us cannot understand the motivation for lying.
 

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I feel like this topic is starting to lead towards conversation about Melkor, whom of which I dont think is a pokemon (let alone a rumored one). But anyways, how do you guys think Tsutaja is related to western culture? Personally, I think the final evo is based off of dark-age kingship of sorts. Or the queen :u
 

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Badly done picture in paint, but I think it gets the idea across.
 

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I only have two problems (now) with Mijumaru's "supposed" final evolution.

1. If the right combination of rumors are true, then why would Ken Sugimori design Mijumaru based on a Samurai only for it to be pure water. Likewise pure grass with Tsutarja (when it appears to possibly have dragon-esque origins). And part fighting on Pokabu (given the fact it's supposed to be partially I guess based on a demon or demonic in some fashion, which part dark would make sense but not fighting)

2. The next problem I have is, if the fan art is accurate in that Mijumaru's final evolution can take it (sword helmet) off, how realistically is it that it can actually battle properly being quadrupedal as well as other "illogical" points on fighting. I mean I can't think of any one who would wait until Mijumaru's final evolution to take off it's sword helmet and then properly equip it so it can use shell blade like the fan art depicts it as. To me it just doesn't work (because it makes Mijumaru's final evolution clumsy and slow, no matter how possible animation would try to justify it), I have no doubt a Pokemon can be part fighting and quadruped, but I'd think it would have something to make up for it being on four "legs" and Mijumaru's final evolution doesn't have that feel to it. If anything it should have shell daggers or shell blades on its paws so that way shell blade can make more sense. Sword Helmet + Quadruped doesn't come off as working for me.

That said I think its entirely possible that the starter evolutions are real. In fact I would say I'm split on 70% (real), 30% (fake). If someone can explain (with something I can agree with) the illogical points I brought up I might bring the 70% to 85%.
 

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Well, I assume we might get something before that...I'm inclined to believe if he's telling the truth about one of the Pokemon's he's posted (I'll discount the starters since, to be fair, they popped up a bit before he started this) then he's being truthful about the rest, and since he's going through the early Dex, I'd assume one of them will likely be in CoroCoro if true. I mean, now this isn't certain, the lack of them won't exactly prove him wrong, but by the time of the leak I'd say he'd have done the first 60 or so so it'd seem as if they'd be included.

Who knows, maybe the first leaked scan will have UMadpole (c'mon, it could catch on!) looking right back at us...hell, that'd be pretty ironic for the people who don't want this to be true. Pop onto your favorite site and see "NEW RUMORED POKEMON CONFIRMED" and have that guy looking back at you with that cocky smile.
 

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Did anyone notice that if Victini is 000 in the dex we might actually get 157 new Pokemon?
Does that make sense?

494/000 - Victini (Psychic/Fire)
495/001 - Tsutarja (Grass)
496/002 - Tsutarja 1 (Grass???)
497/003 - Tsutarja 2 (Grass???)
498/004 - Pokabu (Fire)
499/005 - Pokabu 1 (Fire???)
500/006 - Pokabu 2 (Fire???)
501/007 - Mijumaru (Water)
502/008 - Mijumaru 1 (Water???)
503/009 - Mijumaru 2 (Water???)
504/010 - Minezumi (Normal)
505/011 - Miruhoggu (Normal)
506/012 - new dog (Normal)
507/013 - new dog evo (Normal)
508/014 - new dog evo 2 (Normal)
509/015 - purple cat from Sunday preview (Dark)
510/016 - panther-like evo (Dark)
511/017 - Yanappu (Grass)
512/018 - Yanappu evo (Grass)
513/019 - Buoppu (Fire)
514/020 - Buoppu evo (Fire)
515/021 - Hiyappu (Water)
516/022 - Hiyappu evo (Water)
517/023 - Munna (Psychic)
518/024 - Musharna (Psychic)
519/025 - Mamepato (Normal/Flying)
520/026 - Hatoopoo (Normal/Flying)
521/027 - Hatoopoo evo (Normal/Flying) apparently has a second forme
522/028 - Shimama (Electric)
523/029 - Shimama evo (Electric)
524/030 - Gigaiasu 1st stage (Rock)
525/031 - Gigaiasu 2nd stage (Rock)
526/032 - Gigaiasu (Rock)
527/033 - Koromori (Psychic/Flying)
528/034 - Koromori evo (Psychic/Flying)
529/035 - Morguryuu (Ground)
530/036 - Doryuuzu (Ground/Steel)
531/037 - Tabunne (Normal)
532/038 - wood plank holder (Fighting)
533/039 - iron girder holder (Fighting) evo
534/040 - concrete block holder (Fighting) 2nd evo
535/041 - tadpole (Water)
536/042 - tadpole evo (Water/Ground)
537/043 - frog (Water/Ground)
538/044 - Judo Pokemon (Fighting)
539/045 - Judo Pokemon evo (Fighting)
540/046 - Kurumiru (Bug/Grass)
541/047 - Kurumiru evo (Bug/Grass)
542/048 - Phylliidae (Bug/Grass)
543/049 - centipede (Bug/Poison)
544/050 - centipede cocoon stage (Bug/Poison)
545/051 - Escolopendra (Bug/Poison)
546/052 - plant-cloud (Grass)
547/053 - plant-cloud evo (Grass)
548/054 - Daycare plant (Grass)



572/078 - Chillarmy (Normal)


- Gear (Steel) - Darumakka (Fire) - Hihidaruma (Fire) - Meguroko (Ground/Dark) - Rankurusu (Psychic) - Gochiruzeru (Psychic) - Kibago (Dragon)- Ononokusu (???) - Wargle (Normal/Flying) - Mamanbou (Water) - Shikijika (Normal/Grass) - Swana (Water/Flying) - Emonga (Electric/Flying) - Desukan (???) - Denchura (???) - Basurao (Water) - Zorua (Dark) - Zoroark (Dark) - Reshiram (Dragon/Fire) - Zekrom (Dragon/Electric) - (blue Octopus) - (Musical 1) - 3rd legendary (Dragon/Ice)

Type Count:
Water - 10
Fire - 9
Grass - 12
Normal - 12
Electric - 4
Bug - 6
Ice - 1
Ground - 3
Rock - 3
Fighting - 5
Flying - 7
Psychic - 6
Dark - 5
Steel - 2
Poison - 3
Dragon - 4
Ghost - /


(79/156)
 

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Badly done picture in paint, but I think it gets the idea across.

So you think the shell comes apart like a sword and sheatch? I can see that I guess.
 

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Hmm...bar Ghost (although we've got two coming up) and Ice (I expect them to be later in the Dex), we've got a pretty decent type distribution so far. Let's hope we get some cool new dual-types soon and get over this hump of mono-types.
 

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I feel like this topic is starting to lead towards conversation about Melkor, whom of which I dont think is a pokemon (let alone a rumored one). But anyways, how do you guys think Tsutaja is related to western culture? Personally, I think the final evo is based off of dark-age kingship of sorts. Or the queen :u

Well, Melkor is the source of a majority of the rumors as of late.
 

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If anything, I'd say the interview confirms the starters.

Tsu = Western. He's a snake that starts out with four limbs and ends up with none, ala the serpent from the garden of Eden in the bible.

AGH. That's annoying. Out of all the snakes they coulda based the thing off of... I mean, WHY?

With that being said, I don't really care if they're real or not. :p I AM interested to see the outcome though. 8D
 

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So you think the shell comes apart like a sword and sheath? I can see that I guess.

Yeah. I'm just not sure if the helmet remains on the head or if it turns into a shield or gauntlet or comes over his face or whatever.

1. If the right combination of rumors are true, then why would Ken Sugimori design Mijumaru based on a Samurai only for it to be pure water. Likewise pure grass with Tsutarja (when it appears to possibly have dragon-esque origins). And part fighting on Pokabu (given the fact it's supposed to be partially I guess based on a demon or demonic in some fashion, which part dark would make sense but not fighting)

Charizard and Gyarados are both dragons, but not Dragon-types.

Cubone uses a bone as a club, but is not part Fighting.

AGH. That's annoying. Out of all the snakes they coulda based the thing off of... I mean, WHY?

The association between gardens and grass, I would assume.
 

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Watch the shell slide over it's face, become a quasi-samurai helmet, and then the "blade" jolts to the left or right so it looks like he's "holding" it with it's face, kinda like how Zoro holds his sword in his mouth.
 

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Hmm...bar Ghost (although we've got two coming up) and Ice (I expect them to be later in the Dex), we've got a pretty decent type distribution so far. Let's hope we get some cool new dual-types soon and get over this hump of mono-types.

Maybe I should add the "comments"-rumors too? like the water/Ghost, Fire/Ghost and pseudo legendary Dragon/Dark to the list??
 
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