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Rumored Pokémon and Prediction Thread

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Garren

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Some more Hiro rumors...that's Melkor's fanart dude, btw.

* Gear is 600 and has two evolutions...apparently its last is the "worst" Pokemon in this Gen next to Chillarmy's evolution. Of course, since I tend to like a few Pokemon that our vehemently disliked (Magmortar and Probopass represent!), I'm not worried over Gear. I think it might be a classic 1st Gen MORE HEADS evolution though, lol.
* Basurao doesn't evolve. I'm not worried though, since the demo one had Aqua Jet and Uproar, so I think it'll have some decent power...probably equivalent to maybe Qwilfish, Mantine, etc.

Hmm, the way Hiro phases a few of these make me sound kind of disappointed...not really with the designs, but the fact all so far seem to have nothing exciting in terms of typing and we don't have anyone with a cool evolution pattern it seems, although I'm not sure if Melkor knows how they evolve.
 

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It does look like the pokémon from the daycare scene.
And it looks cool.
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Mijimaru 3 = Samurai sea lion. He's already got the helmet and armor. The sword is right there on it's head. It removes it and reals back on hind legs when it needs to fight. Think of it's helmet as a storage space, like what Cubone and Marrowak would have if you needed to design it with it's arms free/they needed a place to keep their bones.



I don't get it either. It seems to match up perfectly.
Except it's in no way apparent that it can do that though--if anything, it would seem to be impossible. After all, it's final evo is a quadruped, with flippers. Just look at its legs--there's no way it can support its weight on its hind legs. Similar is true of its forelimbs--nothing about them suggests the ability to grab onto objects and if anything they appear totally unable to. In addition, it's forearms seem to small to be able to actually grab the horn, especially not without twisting in some unnatural way--it would basically have to toss the horn off of its head and then pick it up in order to use it and that's not getting into how it would put it back on afterward--it just doesn't seem possible with that design.

The most important aspect though is that nothing about the horn suggests a sword at all. It just appears to be a horn. As evidence of this, until this interview came out, no one had the idea of Miju3 detaching the horn and using it as a sword (due to a combination of the first two factors, and it just appearing to be a horn, with no sword-like attributes to it (which is why people were so skeptical of it when it was first revealed--it's lack of the "samurai"-type attributes that Miju2 had))--it just doesn't look possible, and nothing about the design suggests that the horn is detachable or that Miju3 can use it in that way. It just seems to be a horn.

Really, I was pretty sure that these guys were real up until this point because of how Serebii, Buoysel (Filb), and co were all getting behind this, but this interview has me questioning that. I mean, first there's Miju3, which is odd for the reasons above (yes, now that we have the interview, we can try to twist it to fit it, saying that "well, it could be something like this." But that's with the interview actually biasing our perceptions of it. Before the interview was leaked, in our natural state (i.e., the state of any kid picking the game up for the first time with no information whatsoever about this stuff), practically no one was actually suggesting that stuff or seriously considering it, meaning that without actually being told that, one would very likely not conclude such things about the design--it just doesn't seem to add up with what we actually see, without something actually biasing us to make us see it that way. Combine that with the apparent anatomical problems, and the design doesn't match up with Sugmiori's description of its influences, unless those are supposed to be something that only subtly influenced it, which doesn't seem to be the case from what I can understand).

Beyond that, Tstutarja is supposed to have a western-design. Why then does it's final evo resemble a Chinese-dragon motif more than anything? It's fitting for it's final-evo, with Tsutarja being a snake and all, but it doesn't seem very western or European to me.

Poku3 really is fine, but combined with the other two, I really have to start questioning whether or not GameFreak would actually go the Fire/Fighting route again, but this is an extremely minor complaint. The main thing is Miju3--it's design simply doesn't reflect what Sugimori is talking about, and wasn't an interpretation we actually thought of at all until being told about it. That being the case, I'm really doubting whether the evos are real now.
 
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Please assume that the list is real (I really don't want people saying: But it's not confirmed so you don't need to worry, or some B.S. like that, it would just be easier to "argue" or "explain" under the assumption the list is real).

I'm also finding a problem with the list so far. I know we believe half of the Pokemon have been revealed.

But where are a lot of the Pokemon that have been revealed so far?

I honestly can't see why "Gamefreak" decided to choose to reveal Pokemon that are in the latter half of the Isshu dex.

Rankurusu and Gochiruzeru sort of make sense as they are version exclusives but not some of the other ones revealed. Shikijika because of season, etc.

Like take Wargle for example as awesome as it is, I can't see why it was revealed over something like the cat or the dog. Unless free fall was so important to reveal early.

I guess its possible they wanted to keep the early route Pokemon a surprise or they just chose random Pokemon, but it's still unusual to me. Oh well come to think of it, it doesn't matter.

Charizard and Gyarados are both dragons, but not Dragon-types.
Don't see how you can use that argument against me, since I didn't specifically ask why Tsutarja's supposed final evolution wasn't a dragon type Pokemon. I simply asked why it was pure grass, when the examples you think you gave me as proof against my argument are in fact dual typed unlike the supposed Tsutarja final evolution.

Cubone uses a bone as a club, but is not part Fighting.

But was Cubone/Marowak based on a fighter?
 

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494/000 - Victini (Psychic/Fire)
495/001 - Tsutarja (Grass)
496/002 - Tsutarja 1 (Grass???)
497/003 - Tsutarja 2 (Grass???)
498/004 - Pokabu (Fire)
499/005 - Pokabu 1 (Fire???)
500/006 - Pokabu 2 (Fire???)
501/007 - Mijumaru (Water)
502/008 - Mijumaru 1 (Water???)
503/009 - Mijumaru 2 (Water???)
504/010 - Minezumi (Normal)
505/011 - Miruhoggu (Normal)
506/012 - new dog (Normal)
507/013 - new dog evo (Normal)
508/014 - new dog evo 2 (Normal)
509/015 - purple cat from Sunday preview (Dark)
510/016 - panther-like evo (Dark)
511/017 - Yanappu (Grass)
512/018 - Yanappu evo (Grass)
513/019 - Buoppu (Fire)
514/020 - Buoppu evo (Fire)
515/021 - Hiyappu (Water)
516/022 - Hiyappu evo (Water)
517/023 - Munna (Psychic)
518/024 - Musharna (Psychic)
519/025 - Mamepato (Normal/Flying)
520/026 - Hatoopoo (Normal/Flying)
521/027 - Hatoopoo evo (Normal/Flying) apparently has a second forme
522/028 - Shimama (Electric)
523/029 - Shimama evo (Electric)
524/030 - Gigaiasu 1st stage (Rock)
525/031 - Gigaiasu 2nd stage (Rock)
526/032 - Gigaiasu (Rock)
527/033 - Koromori (Psychic/Flying)
528/034 - Koromori evo (Psychic/Flying)
529/035 - Morguryuu (Ground)
530/036 - Doryuuzu (Ground/Steel)
531/037 - Tabunne (Normal)
532/038 - wood plank holder (Fighting)
533/039 - iron girder holder (Fighting) evo
534/040 - concrete block holder (Fighting) 2nd evo
535/041 - tadpole (Water)
536/042 - tadpole evo (Water/Ground)
537/043 - frog (Water/Ground)
538/044 - Judo Pokemon (Fighting)
539/045 - Judo Pokemon evo (Fighting)
540/046 - Kurumiru (Bug/Grass)
541/047 - Kurumiru evo (Bug/Grass)
542/048 - Phylliidae (Bug/Grass)
543/049 - centipede (Bug/Poison)
544/050 - centipede cocoon stage (Bug/Poison)
545/051 - Escolopendra (Bug/Poison)
546/052 - plant-cloud (Grass)
547/053 - plant-cloud evo (Grass)
548/054 - Daycare plant (Grass)



572/078 - Chillarmy (Normal)
599/105 - Gear (Steel)


- Darumakka (Fire) - Hihidaruma (Fire) - Meguroko (Ground/Dark) - Rankurusu (Psychic) - Gochiruzeru (Psychic) - Kibago (Dragon)- Ononokusu (???) - Wargle (Normal/Flying) - Mamanbou (Water) - Shikijika (Normal/Grass) - Swana (Water/Flying) - Emonga (Electric/Flying) - Desukan (???) - Denchura (???) - Basurao (Water) - Zorua (Dark) - Zoroark (Dark) - Reshiram (Dragon/Fire) - Zekrom (Dragon/Electric) - (blue Octopus) - (Musical 1) - 3rd legendary (Dragon/Ice) - Pseudo legendary line (Dark/Dragon) - Fossil Turtle - Fossil Bird - a Water/Ghost - a Fire/Ghost


Type Count:
Water - 11
Fire - 10
Grass - 12
Normal - 12
Electric - 4
Bug - 6
Ice - 1
Ground - 3
Rock - 3
Fighting - 5
Flying - 7
Psychic - 6
Dark - 6
Steel - 2
Poison - 3
Dragon - 5
Ghost - 2


(84/156)

Updated list. Does the Ground/Ghost for Desukan come from Melkor???
 
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We're not in the latter half really.

We're only in like the 60's...all of these Pokemon are probably around the same level. Geodude was #74 in RBY, and he was still an early common Pokemon.
 

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The most important aspect though is that nothing about the horn suggests a sword at all. It just appears to be a horn. As evidence of this, until this interview came out, no one had the idea of Miju3 detaching the horn and using it as a sword (due to a combination of the first two factors, and it just appearing to be a horn, with no sword-like attributes to it (which is why people were so skeptical of it when it was first revealed--it's lack of the "samurai"-type attributes that Miju2 had))--it just doesn't look possible, and nothing about the design suggests that the horn is detachable or that Miju3 can use it in that way. It just seems to be a horn.
That reminds me, no one thought Mijumaru's shell was detachable till we saw the merchandise and anime art.
 

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Except it's in no way apparent that it can do that though--if anything, it would seem to be impossible. After all, it's final evo is a quadruped, with flippers. Just look at its legs--there's no way it can support its weight on its hind legs. Similar is true of its forelimbs--nothing about them suggests the ability to grab onto objects and if anything they appear totally unable to.

The most important aspect though is that nothing about the horn suggests a sword at all. It just appears to be a horn. As evidence of this, until this interview came out, no one had the idea of Miju3 detaching the horn and using it as a sword (due to a combination of the first two factors, and it just appearing to be a horn, with no sword-like attributes to it (which is why people were so skeptical of it when it was first revealed--it's lack of the "samurai"-type attributes that Miju2 had))--it just doesn't look possible, and nothing about the design suggests that the horn is detachable or that Miju3 can use it in that way. It just seems to be a horn.

It could be an Informed Ability.

For instance, the Pokedex swears that Bulbasaur and Ivysaur are bipedal. There is no evidence of this. It also swears that Crobat only has four limbs when it has six.

I honestly can't see why "Gamefreak" decided to choose to reveal Pokemon that are in the latter half of the Isshu dex.

The first half of the dex are all the clone Pokemon that everyone bitched about in gen III.

That reminds me, no one thought Mijumaru's shell was detachable till we saw the merchandise and anime art.

This, too.
 

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You totally reminded of Ivysaur's first appearence:

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Funny how things change.
 

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We're not in the latter half really.
Yeah about that I got confused, the list with all confirmed Pokemon is half of the apparent Pokemon, but take away and it isn't half.

So chalk it up as confusion then.


We're only in like the 60's...all of these Pokemon are probably around the same level. Geodude was #74 in RBY, and he was still an early common Pokemon.

So then why were people worried that there would be no early route bug Pokemon?

Edit: And Zeta, in case you missed it, I edited my last post, I didn't realize there was going to be "50" replies before I had a chance to edit my last post with more stuff.
 

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That reminds me, no one thought Mijumaru's shell was detachable till we saw the merchandise and anime art.
Eh, that one was tossed around a bit, I believe--people were divided on it. It was there though.

Either way however, at least Mijumaru's shell being detachable makes anatomical sense and works just fine. There's simply no way Miju3 can feasibly grab its horn with its forelimbs though--they seem to short, and at the very least would have to do some real unnatural twisting. And that's not to mention how it's supposed to get its horn back onto its head after that. I'm just not seeing how that thing could be used as a sword in any feasible sense.
 

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I have no doubt a Pokemon can be part fighting and quadruped

Well there's your first mistake right there. It's not part Fighting, and no one defending the evos as real ever said it was. That's a rumor, and a really old one at that (even older than Miju's second evo, whose samurai-ness admittedly did nothing to dispel the rumor). It's pure Water apparently.

And I'm not understanding the Shell Blade controversy. So Mijumaru detaches its shell and uses it as a sword. Who says the same has to be true for its evos? I think its horn would work just fine for Shell Blade.
 

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Has it been confirmed that there are no new eeveelutions or just rumours that there aren't any this generation? Maybe that's it for eevee now and we'll have something else.

I don't really see why Miju has to take that horn off and use it in his hands and have a shell shield etc. I know that's probably more 'samurai' style but I think it will look cool just swishing it about and stabbing with it's head!

I can see the Chinese influences in Piggy and the Japanese style in Miju but like a few people already said Snakey doesn't shout Western to me just yet!
 

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Eh, that one was tossed around a bit, I believe--people were divided on it. It was there though.

Either way however, at least Mijumaru's shell being detachable makes anatomical sense and works just fine. There's simply no way Miju3 can feasibly grab its horn with its forelimbs though--they seem to short, and at the very least would have to do some real unnatural twisting. And that's not to mention how it's supposed to get its horn back onto its head after that. I'm just not seeing how that thing could be used as a sword in any feasible sense.
It really wasn't. Before Shell Blade was revealed, people thought it was simply part of the design (y'know, otters and their shells on their bellies). After Shell Blade, people started wondering how it could be accomplished. Some people thought Wotter would be belly-flopping into other Pokemon or some weird combination of it, because it was never obvious that the shell came off.

Also, how the shell even sits on his stomach is still a mystery to this day. It's got magical powers. There's no indentation for the shell to rest on (notice how its an actual shell and not flat on one side). Velcro fur?

I'm not trying to argue for Miju3 removing its head shell and swinging it around. Actually, I don't think that'll be the case at all. But I just want you to realize where we've come from as far as seeing stuff at just a glance.
 

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Either way however, at least Mijumaru's shell being detachable makes anatomical sense and works just fine. There's simply no way Miju3 can feasibly grab its horn with its forelimbs though--they seem to short, and at the very least would have to do some real unnatural twisting. And that's not to mention how it's supposed to get its horn back onto its head after that. I'm just not seeing how that thing could be used as a sword in any feasible sense.

You've seen a sea lion bounce a beach ball, right?
 

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Well, we usually expect the bugs to be one of the first ones.

But really, I don't see the big deal. All the Pokemon we've had revealed so far sound like they can be found before reaching the desert which is actually good in my opinion since it seems like we'll have a lot of choices early on in the game.
 
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