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Rumored Pokémon and Prediction Thread

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mariowie

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so not that Tsutarja is based on a western design how about it is based on the Ouroboros it is a myth from Europe so it could fit
 

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Good Morning everyone! :crush:

Nothing too significat happend here last night bar the Shikijika evolution...

Still updating:
494/000 - Victini (Psychic/Fire)
495/001 - Tsutarja (Grass)
496/002 - Tsutarja 1 (Grass???)
497/003 - Tsutarja 2 (Grass???)
498/004 - Pokabu (Fire)
499/005 - Pokabu 1 (Fire???)
500/006 - Pokabu 2 (Fire???)
501/007 - Mijumaru (Water)
502/008 - Mijumaru 1 (Water???)
503/009 - Mijumaru 2 (Water???)
504/010 - Minezumi (Normal)
505/011 - Miruhoggu (Normal)
506/012 - new dog (Normal)
507/013 - new dog evo (Normal)
508/014 - new dog evo 2 (Normal)
509/015 - purple cat from Sunday preview (Dark)
510/016 - panther-like evo (Dark)
511/017 - Yanappu (Grass)
512/018 - Yanappu evo (Grass)
513/019 - Buoppu (Fire)
514/020 - Buoppu evo (Fire)
515/021 - Hiyappu (Water)
516/022 - Hiyappu evo (Water)
517/023 - Munna (Psychic)
518/024 - Musharna (Psychic)
519/025 - Mamepato (Normal/Flying)
520/026 - Hatoopoo (Normal/Flying)
521/027 - Hatoopoo evo (Normal/Flying) apparently has a second forme
522/028 - Shimama (Electric)
523/029 - Shimama evo (Electric)
524/030 - Gigaiasu 1st stage (Rock)
525/031 - Gigaiasu 2nd stage (Rock)
526/032 - Gigaiasu (Rock)
527/033 - Koromori (Psychic/Flying)
528/034 - Koromori evo (Psychic/Flying)
529/035 - Morguryuu (Ground)
530/036 - Doryuuzu (Ground/Steel)
531/037 - Tabunne (Normal)
532/038 - wood plank holder (Fighting)
533/039 - iron girder holder (Fighting) evo
534/040 - concrete block holder (Fighting) 2nd evo
535/041 - tadpole (Water)
536/042 - tadpole evo (Water/Ground)
537/043 - frog (Water/Ground)
538/044 - Judo Pokemon (Fighting)
539/045 - Judo Pokemon evo (Fighting)
540/046 - Kurumiru (Bug/Grass)
541/047 - Kurumiru evo (Bug/Grass)
542/048 - Phylliidae (Bug/Grass)
543/049 - centipede (Bug/Poison)
544/050 - centipede cocoon stage (Bug/Poison)
545/051 - Escolopendra (Bug/Poison)
546/052 - plant-cloud (Grass)
547/053 - plant-cloud evo (Grass)
548/054 - Daycare plant (Grass)
549/055 - Grass Lady evo (Grass)
550/056 - Basurao (Water) two formes


572/078 - Chillarmy (Normal)
599/105 - Gear (Steel)
600/106 - Gear evo (Steel)
601/107 - Gear evo 2 (Steel)

- Darumakka (Fire) - Hihidaruma (Fire) - Meguroko (Ground/Dark) - Rankurusu (Psychic) - Gochiruzeru (Psychic) - Kibago (Dragon)- Ononokusu (???) - Wargle (Normal/Flying) - Mamanbou (Water) - Shikijika (Normal/Grass) - Shikijika evo - Swana (Water/Flying) - Emonga (Electric/Flying) - Desukan (???) - Denchura (???) - Zorua (Dark) - Zoroark (Dark) - Reshiram (Dragon/Fire) - Zekrom (Dragon/Electric) - (blue Octopus) - (Musical 1) - 3rd legendary (Dragon/Ice) - Pseudo legendary line (Dark/Dragon) - Fossil Turtle - Fossil Bird - a Water/Ghost - a Fire/Ghost



Type Count:
Water - 11
Fire - 10
Grass - 13
Normal - 12
Electric - 4
Bug - 6
Ice - 1
Ground - 3
Rock - 3
Fighting - 5
Flying - 7
Psychic - 6
Dark - 6
Steel - 4
Poison - 3
Dragon - 5
Ghost - 2
(88/156)

That's what makes me call this into question. How many of the three stage evolutions stay pure type the whole way through, there are some but most atleast gain a second type in the second or third evo but almost all the pokemon on the list are pure type. I'm not saying it's impossible but that's the one thing keeping me from fully believing this
 

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That's what makes me call this into question. How many of the three stage evolutions stay pure type the whole way through, there are some but most atleast gain a second type in the second or third evo but almost all the pokemon on the list are pure type. I'm not saying it's impossible but that's the one thing keeping me from fully believing this

I somewhat agree.

I really dislike pure types (well especially water), and it isn't all that good in my opinion to have large portions of Pokemon being pure. I mean there is a lot of type combinations that need to be made more than pure types.

As I said before though Flying, Dragon (fully evolved), and Ice types are the only types that I can stand being pure (but once they get a lot, then I'm back to dual types again.

And a lot of these Pokemon on the list could use a second typing. Oh well there's still Denchura to look forward to (which cannot be anything other than Bug/Electric, if Denchura isn't bug/electric on "Melkor's" list then I'll know he's making stuff up or rather he has bad sources).

Okay maybe that's a little rash, but it will make me believe the list less than I already do.
 

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pokexperto 551: Meguroko. 552: Meguroko Evo. Very similar in design, but bigger, fatter and standing on two legs. Has spikes on the back. Ground/Dark
 

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The silhouette looks incredibly fat.

Also, Pokebeach has some of the interview translated:

http://pokebeach.com/2010/09/pokemon-peer-interview-translations

Today we’re meeting with all of the graphic designers, who can be considered the parents of Pokemon. To start, please tell us how you are involved with the Pocket Monsters series.

Sugimori: I’m in charge as the 2D art director. The GM of design. I supervise the dot art (sprite graphics displayed on the game screen). I’ve been involved with the Pocket Monsters series since its inception, so I also supervised the design of the original human and Pokemon characters. This time I was slightly less involved, but I did work on the hero and Pokemon designs.

Oumura: I’m in charge of 2D graphics. I started with Pocket Monsters Diamond and Pearl, and this time I worked on the designs of the human characters and Pokemon such as Mijumaru.

Sugimori: Ibe and Tagami came on board at Game Freak when we were working on Pocket Monsters Platinum. This is the first time they’ve made a game from scratch.

Ibe: Right. The Pokemon I was in charge of designing was Victini. Aside from that, I designed about 10 other Pokemon.

Tagami: I designed Tsutaaja. After that, the Little Pigeon Pokemon Mamepato, and a Bug-type Pokemon called Kurumiru, for example. I worked on about 10 Pokemon.

Between the 4 of you are everything from veterans to newcomers, but how many designers worked on Pocket Monsters Black and White in total?

Sugimori: There were 17 people total. Each person designed about 10 Pokemon. [Note: 17x10 = 170!]

This time all of the Pokemon are new. When did you start designing the Pokemon?

Oumura: Around the Spring of 2008.

Sugimori: We were developing it at the same time as Pocket Monsters Platinum and Pocket Monsters Heart Gold and Soul Silver. In this game, since old Pokemon do not appear, and a new world is the stage, we needed to create an ecosystem purely for the newly-designed Pokemon. Up until now, we designed with the philosophy that, “a mouse-like Pokemon already exists, so let’s make other Pokemon”—but this time they were all new. So, once again we designed a mouse-like Pokemon, a dog-like Pokemon, etc. from scratch.

Then, you started from nothing in the true sense of the word. What kind of Pokemon did you think of?

Sugimori: At first I told the designers, “You can draw freely; draw things you like.” Gradually, the number of Pokemon was decided, and the instructions became more concrete, such as, “We don’t have enough of this Type, can you try to draw some?” By the end they were directly ordered, “Draw this Pokemon!”

Ibe: I like dogs, so I submitted a dog-like Pokemon.

Sugimori: Right. She likes dogs. The Pokemon designs are a collection of the individual designers’ emotional attachments. That’s why I originally said, “Why don’t you draw the things you like?”

Tagami: In my case, it’s bugs. There really is an insect that wads up leaves, called an Otoshibumi. I thought that behavior was fascinating, so I tried to design a Pokemon based on it.

Oumura: I looked at the lineup of Pokemon that everyone had submitted to me, and designed whatever was missing. Piplup from Pocket Monsters Diamond and Pearl was embraced, and this time I was once again designing Water-type Pokemon. Not to suggest that Water-types are my specialty.

Mr. Oumura was Mijumaru, Mr. Tagami was Tsutaaja. You designed the 3 Starter Pokemon.

Sugimori: The 3 Starter Pokemon and the Legendary Pokemon were a lot of trouble.

Tagami: A lot of trouble. I think of Tsutaaja all the time.

Sugimori: Of course, it was determined that the 3 Starters would be Grass, Fire, and Water-type Pokemon. We’ll share the combined horror of our experiences up until now. The Water-type and dog weren’t cute, the Grass-type and ??? looked scary [note: we'll fix this sentence later]. (laughs). Then, a designer who isn’t here [at the interview] presented the Fire-type as a pig, and Mr. Tagami presented the Grass-type Pokemon as a snake. I decided it was an interesting combination.

Tagami: I was reading a picture book and it said, “There are snakes that look like vines.” I said, “That’s it!” (laughs) It was a hint at an idea.

Sugimori: I told him that snakes are discomforting.

Tagami: But being discomforting is a snake’s most important trait. I was conscious of that with Tsutaaja as well.

Sugimori: Since it was discomforting, if we took that away, it would become a character without any personality.

You combined the elements of the Grass-type and the snake to create a Pokemon.

Sugimori: Next we needed to give it a personality. It will be boring if all 3 Starters have the same personality, so we pick a direction for the personality, such as Naughty or Gentle. This time, the pig Pokemon was Naughty, and it had a reckless feel. Tsutaaja was aristocratic….for example like “The Rose of Versailles”. (laughs)

Tagami: I created an image like something out of an art museum. Like the Hermitage Museum in Russia. (laughs)

Sugimori: This time, the Water-type was the most troublesome.

Oomura: I said, “How about a sea otter for the Water-type?” But if a sea otter were to evolve, what would it become? That’s where I hit a wall. Eventually I said that if a sea otter was to evolve, it would transform into something completely different. [Note: The third rumored evolution of Mijumaru from a few days ago looks completely different than Mijumaru.]

Sugimori: Since we intended for those 3 starter Pokemon to be with the hero throughout the game, we wanted them to have surprising evolutions. We kept adding more twists so the forms of the third-stage Evolutions would have an impact.

Oomura: Also, this time we wanted the 3 starter Pokemon to be split into Japanese, Western, and Chinese imagery. We said Tsutaaja would represent Western imagery, Pokabu Chinese, and Mijumaru Japanese. We discussed it: “Couldn’t a sea otter be a samurai?”

Everyone: Hahaha.

Oomura: I was a little worried, so I went to watch the sea otters at the aquarium. I happened to see the sea lion show, I noticed how strong the sea lions were. I thought, ah, I’ll try combining sea lions and otters together. I came up with the idea of them fighting by using the shells on their stomachs like swords, and Mijumaru and its evolution were completed.

In order to design Pokemon you even visited an aquarium. Did you go out to research often?

Sugimori: At the beginning of development, the entire team went to the zoo. In this case it was the Tama Zoo that we visited. We each went our own way to watch the animals. The mole exhibit was really interesting. Tubes were connected through the ceiling, and the moles ran through them at incredible speeds. I was shocked.

Tagami: Usually I look at picture books and nature programs on television. When I heard about Mr. Oomura’s trip to the aquarium, I also went to the zoo to observe the snakes. But I watched the snakes for about 30 minutes, and they didn’t move at all. (laughs)

Ibe: I also went to zoos and pet shops where I could actually touch the animals. I checked where the joints met and watched how the birds folded their wings. (laughs)

That’s interesting. What ended up being your best reference?

Oomura: Actually observing living animals, of course. As the game’s development grew more hectic we couldn’t go out to research, but we’d come to understand how the animals moved, captured prey, etc., and that made drawing easier.

Tagami: When the development was hectic, I would reference the people walking around town. People’s hairstyles and so on. It was interesting. (laughs)

Sugimori: It’s as they said. Many different things went into the Pokemon. For example, with the Fire-type Pokemon, the pipes from furnaces and ironworks went into the shape of the body and the markings. By tying different images together, new designs were born… [the rest of this interview will be translated and posted later].

Interesting.

It's funny. Hundreds of people design their own Pokemon every year, and yet these designers need inspiration by going to zoos to give them a spark. I wonder if that's why we end up with so many repeats?

I'm actually a little bummed. Many people have their own ideas and thoughts on what should go into a Pokemon. They range from super creative to tired, old bull crap. I wish they did more than just pick and choose their favorites.

We're also hearing from a lot of the newer designers it seems.
 

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and this thing...
 

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and this thing...

And that thing is hopefully a ghost type. A scary freaky looking thing if you ask me.

As for the interview, it makes me believe Melkor's list that much more.

Melkor mentioned a dog Pokemon early, very early before scans of Pokemon PIA were even there, though I suppose it could just be a lucky guess.

And one of the people said they created a mouse Pokemon. Reminds me of the "fake" translator of NOA/PCI that said that a mouse Pokemon would be an early route Pokemon. Could the mouse be Chillarmy and will it be an early route Pokemon knowing its Pokedex number means nothing (aka Geodude)?
 

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That's an interesting interview, that's for sure.

And I do agree with V Faction, why can't they recruit people who make their own original designs or borrow some of theres? I've seen some very interesting Fakemons that I would love to be in the games.
 

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That's an interesting interview, that's for sure.

And I do agree with V Faction, why can't they recruit people who make their own original designs or borrow some of theres? I've seen some very interesting Fakemons that I would love to be in the games.

kinda like the boss design contests for megaman BN?

but of course it'd be japan only...
 

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The abundance of pure types is kind of dishesrtening but I really hope the next hundred or so(if there's even that much left) make up for it.
 

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I fear that monotypes are not that interesting because there are only so many combinations and that's all you can make. It doesn't do much better in a competitive point of view, only boosting a single type of attack compared to dual-type's two. Yeah, quite interesting that they chose their monsters from animals from nature shows or zoos. If only they could consult a biologist (like possibly Bikini Miltank) to get more ideas on animals or even read the National Geographic, if they haven't already, because they could provide some new designs. Or maybe send in a competition for fans to design their own Pokemon.

Anyway, the dog Pokemon might be real as mentioned in those rumours, so that is great, and it turns out that the chance that Kurumiru's line turning out to be a leaf bug line is really true. Now the question is if some people reads this, how will they feel about it (except those who commented before me).
 

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I think that silhouette could be the evolution of the little brown thing with big white hair. It's a bit ram like and maybe those green horns evolve into big curled horns.

Probably nothing like that though! I usually get them wrong!
 

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Melkor said there was 156 new Pokémon; Sugimori said 17 people designed roughly 10 each. So, roughly 170 Pokémon. The closest we can get to 156 is if 14 of them designed 9 , and 3 of them designed 10. So yeah, roughly 10, so that seems to add up.

He coulda said roughly 9 though xD

So, 156, minus 5 events, means 151 standard in the Isshu dex (152 at least, including Victini)
 

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553: Meguroko 2nd Evo. Even bigger and fatter, it now looks fiercer and has turned red color (maybe gender difference?). Ground/Dark Type.
I guess, with Melkor's "Dex", we've gotten to the desert which seems to be the dividing point, so I guess we can expect the cooler Pokemon to likely begin to pop up.
 

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Melkor said there was 156 new Pokémon; Sugimori said 17 people designed roughly 10 each. So, roughly 170 Pokémon. The closest we can get to 156 is if 14 of them designed 9 , and 3 of them designed 10. So yeah, roughly 10, so that seems to add up.

He coulda said roughly 9 though xD

So, 156, minus 5 events, means 151 standard in the Isshu dex (152 at least, including Victini)

Or maybe the multiple formes (like possibly Shikijika's evolutions) count as more than one Pokemon? Seems less likely, but a possibility.
 

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Hmm...looks like some cool types ahead in Melkor's Dex...

- There is a Fire/Bug Pokemon.
- There is a Polar Bear with two stages. Cute and Fierce (Evo). (Teddiursa much?)
- Denchura is Electric/Bug.
That was one of my hopes! :D

So we possibly got Fire/Bug and Fire/Ghost coming up, yay for possibly new dual Fire-types!
 
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fire bug?

I designed a firefly starter like that
 

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I think I read somewhere the Polar Bear was pure ice type but I've read lots of stuff the past few days so could be making it up!

I'd like Ice/Fighting I think if he was dual type.
 
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