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Rumour thread (SPOILERS - ALLEGED LEAKS)

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I'm happy. GF will never please everyone and like others have said, I'll take a smaller amount of new pokemon than a ton of filler.

Correction, add a small but good quality amount of Pokemon.
 

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Just a speculation - Zygarde's Dex opens up a lot of story for GameFreak to work for X2/Y2 or Z whatever the third games are called.

It will probably be based on the destruction of the ecosystem and the effects of it in Kalos - possibly evolution of more species, mass migration of NEW Pokemon that isn't even in Kalos in the first place (which keeps my hopes up for new pokemon in the third game), species extinction (which also can be an effect of an ecosystem destruction - as well as removing some of the unwanted Pokemon in the current Dex)

What do you all think about this?

What do I think about it? That GameFreak should hire you to design Pokémon Z.

Is it pretty much 100% that there are only 70 new Pokemons? Or... (I'm still hoping here, even if it seems unlikely. Le sigh)

We ONLY know of 69 new Pokémon and all of us are assuming it's only 70 because of the National Dex numbers (Chespin's 650 to Zygarde's 719) but we could still have 5 or 6 more legendaries after Zygarde, Sinnoh style. Don't hold your breath for regular 'mons, though.

There's three spots between Hydreigon and what seems to be Xerneas (Hydreigon is #144, Xerneas is presumably #148), and since Hydreigon is a pseudo legend... Legends tend to follow. A trio? A duo and an individual? Three individuals?

Sea Spirit's Den... If there's a legend... It's probably the Sea Spirit. Sea is obviously related to Water. Spirit points out Ghost or Fairy. Since Fairy is new, they'll probably want to shove it in our faces advertise it.

We've always had a side trio, which are apart from the mains and the others. Water trios nicely with Grass and Fire, so maybe we'll have a Grass/Fairy, Fire/Fairy and Water/Fairy trio?

But Water-Types seem abundant in Coastal Kalos. Perhaps we'll have a Fairy trio representing Kalos' three areas? Coastal could be Water/Fairy, Mountain could be Ground/Fairy or Rock/Fairy, and Central could be... Normal/Fairy?

Central Kalos would be Grass. Unless I'm wrong, every trailer we've seen showcases beautiful rolling hills and gorgeous plains. Grasslands, basically.

I wanted more new Water, Grass, Electric, Flying, Ground, Bug, Fire, Ice Pokemons though. But I'm fine with what we got, not really satisfied is all.

Same, there are too many Ghost types, too many Fairies (NEW Fairies, not older Pokemon that have become Fairy), and not enough Ice types in Gen 6.

Ghost was the smallest type with less than 30 and Fairy was smaller than that because it was NEW. I'm glad they focused on the more neglected types. I think Steel and Ice are now the smallest types (I could be wrong). So expect a lot of those in either a new group of Pokémon in Z Version or in Gen. 7…
 

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I don't mind the small amount of Pokemon this gen, but why so many standalones GF? If they gave one or two evolutions to some of them the number of Pokemon could've easily gone up to ~80 or so.
 

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Mega-Ampharos stats.

It's obviously slow so it can pose while several fans blow its hair around fabulously.

Thanks.

Plus these are estimates of Mega Ampharos's stats:
90 HP
63-111 ATK
73-121 DEF
130-178 SP ATK
63-111 SP DEF
8-56 SPD
BST: 427-667
Look at that Special Attack! HELL YEAH!

Awesome Defenses at Level 30, too.

I'm glad Mega Ampharos seems to be slower than its counterpart. It'll be a bit more useful on a Trick Room team.

I don't mind the small amount of Pokemon this gen, but why so many standalones GF? If they gave one or two evolutions to some of them the number of Pokemon could've easily gone up to ~80 or so.

Standalones aren't bad if they have BSTs comparable to fully evolved pokemon, but with the exception of the legendaries (and maybe Hawlucha), all of these standalones have BSTs comparable to not fully evolved ones.
 
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I'm happy. GF will never please everyone and like others have said, I'll take a smaller amount of new pokemon than a ton of filler.
At least with 'filler' I'd have variety to choose from if I want to use the new Pokemon. (And I do. All the old Pokemon had their day in the sun and I used them all dozens of times already.) I don't get what you mean by filler. Do you mean clones or Pokemon that seemed phoned in?
 

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I don't mind the small amount of Pokemon this gen, but why so many standalones GF? If they gave one or two evolutions to some of them the number of Pokemon could've easily gone up to ~80 or so.
One of these is probably the answer to your question.
They are lacking ideas
They are lazy
 

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The only thing that is bothering me is goodra.
He is the first Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary Pokemon. No Immunity and no dual type.
Hopefully GF makes something about, having no actual pseudo-legendary would be a shame.
 

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Why is Florges a pure Fairy? Game Freak? GO HOME!!!

On a serious note, Florges has amazing Special stats and a plethora of powerful Fairy-type moves. If it were a Fairy/Grass type, it would have had to worry about a 4x weakness to Poison on top of all of Grass' weaknesses.

Florges is only 2x weak to Steel and Poison, which isn't bad.

Aesthetically, it doesn't make sense to not give Florges a Grass type. Competitively, Fairy is better than Fairy/Grass.

It's a mixed bag with this one.

The only thing that is bothering me is goodra.
He is the first Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary Pokemon. No Immunity and no dual type.
Hopefully GF makes something about, having no actual pseudo-legendary would be a shame.

Goodra is a pseudo-legendary; Smogon calculated its BST to be 600.

And Goodra does have an immunity to Grass if it has the Sap Sipper ability.
 

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I think we might have another Legendary Pokemon.

For example, there is a single smaller cave out in the middle of Pokémon X and Y’s ocean called the Sea Spirit’s Den, which consists of just one room. Presumably, this room will be of importance later (you don’t just leave a blank, open space like that for nothing), but what struck me when I entered this space for the first time was just how moody it was. The complete silence, and then the drip-drop sound of water droplets, creating their own music.

Source: Pokémon X And Y: Where Better Graphics Actually Affect Gameplay

It makes me wonder if they are going to make a Norse Mithology Sea Monster them. Could be the Wyrm even tough it's location don't really fit him, maybe this room leads you somewhere else?

It'll probably work similar to how the Victini event worked back in Black/White. Reckon we might get a short storyline with it as well, whatever Pokemon it is.

sorry to ask but how the Victini event worked? Spoil as u wish, not getting BW
 

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The reasons new Pokemon are probably less abundant this gen is simple. Megas probably take time to develop/create, just like real evos.

Hawlucha is loved in-game...

I imagine we may have DLC Pokes, or ones added on in 'Z'.

I also imagine there is a bigger focus on old Pokemon, because they're getting new cries and some are re-typed. If we count megas and re-types as new Pokemon, then this gen has a fudge lot.
 

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The only thing that is bothering me is goodra.
He is the first Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary Pokemon. No Immunity and no dual type.
Hopefully GF makes something about, having no actual pseudo-legendary would be a shame.
Goodra is a pseudo-legendary; Smogon calculated its BST to be 600.
And it does have an immunity to Grass if it has the Sap Sipper ability.

If you ignore that it is not dual-type Slaking is a Pseudo aswell.
Also the Ability that gives Immunity to grass i rather useless considering it could have been Dragon/Stell or Dragon/Fairy saving space for an actually good Hidden Ability. I guess we won't see him alot considering the other Pseudos are much better then him + they can actually challenge Fairy Pokemons with their second type.
 

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If you ignore that it is not dual-type Slaking is a Pseudo aswell.

Slaking's base stat total is not exactly 600, and its first stage can be found relatively early in RSE.

Pseudo-legendary pokemon have a 300 BST in their first stage, 410 or 420 BST in their second stage, and 600 BST in the final stage. Most pseudo-legendaries can only be obtained in their first stage in the games they debut in, and those pokemon are caught relatively late in the game.
 

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He is the first Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary Pokemon. No Immunity and no dual type.

OMG OMG guys, they didn't follow one of the "rules" that I think exist! This can't be real, so I'm going to arbitrarily change my pointless classifications that are arbitrary anyway!

If you ignore that it is not dual-type Slaking is a Pseudo aswell.
Also the Ability that gives Immunity to grass i rather useless considering it could have been Dragon/Stell or Dragon/Fairy saving space for an actually good Hidden Ability. I guess we won't see him alot considering the other Pseudos are much better then him + they can actually challenge Fairy Pokemons with their second type.

-Metagross got destroyed by the typing change
-Hydreigon isn't that good anyway
-Meanwhile Goodra can sit in the back of a rain team, wait for the fairies to die, and then repeatedly Outrage thanks to Hydration. It's not useless by any means.
 

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Alright, so unless I'm completely clueless, there's apparently ten components of the Yggdrasill tree in the Norse myth and each one is represented by one of 7 Kalos 'mon, both legendary and regular.

Hawk - Hawlucha
Eagle - Yveltal
Squirrel (Rodent) - Dedenne
Wyrm (Dragon) - Dragalge
Snake - Zygarde (I couldn't find any information on the Snake at the bottom of the tree)
Stag (x4) - Xerneas
Yggdrasill (Tree) - Trevenant

Also, is a second lake trio semi-confirmed, this one being Fairy/Water among all three members?

In stanza 20, the völva says that from the lake under the tree come three "maidens deep in knowledge" named Urðr, Verðandi, and Skuld. The maidens "incised the slip of wood," "laid down laws" and "chose lives" for the children of mankind and the destinies (ørlǫg) of men. In stanza 27, the völva details that she is aware that "Heimdallr's hearing is couched beneath the bright-nurtured holy tree." In stanza 45, Yggdrasil receives a final mention in the poem. The völva describes, as a part of the onset of Ragnarök, that Heimdallr blows Gjallarhorn, that Odin speaks with Mímir's head.

I remember someone posting about a Sea Spirit's den a few pages back...
 
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@TakuyaDrini; I'm with you on that. Goodra is fine and all, but it just doesn't click with me either. Pseudo-legendary Pokemon are generally better with a dual type. While, yes, it can limit weaknesses, it also limits offensive abilities (as stated since forever, Dragon is only super-effective against itself, even if it packs a punch). Plus if it does evolve at Lv 70, that's way too far. So I'm with you. Goodra is nice and such, but I feel ones like Garchomp are better, since they can actually maximize their abilities and power better.
 

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I call on Aegislash on being Pseudo. 2 Evolutions, 2 Immunitys, Dual Type and i think the Champion used one.
 

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Let's be real. Florges is probably better off not gaining Grass as its secondary type. Goodra could've used the Dragon immunity from Fairy, though. :/
 

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I call on Aegislash on being Pseudo. 2 Evolutions, 2 Immunitys, Dual Type and i think the Champion used one.

She didn't. Wikstrom (the Steel E4) used it.

Diantha used a Goodra in her battle.

Goodra has a 600 BST; Aegislash doesn't.
 

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@TakuyaDrini;

You realize pseudo-legendary was a fan constructed term, and doesn't have a set of per-requisites, right? The qualities of pseudo-legendaries change every generation. In Gen I and II, they were 600 BST Pokemon coming right before the legendaries, and evolved at level 30 and 55 with dual typing and a dual weakness. Salamence and Metagross changed that, making pseudo-legendaries evolve at level 50 or less, but maintained 600 BST and appearing before the legendaries, and more surprisingly, there were two of them, and Metagross being the odd one out without a dual weakness

And then we get Garchomp....who is in the dex before Munchlax, breaking the placement tradition. Then we get Hydreigon who more or less comes before the legendaries again (Volcarona usurps that spot, but is generally a powerful Pokemon on its own).

Now we have Goodra. It's base stats are 600, single type. It's the least prototypical of the pseudo-legendaries, but its still pseudo-legendary, but maintains the same core qualities of being in a 3-stage line with 600 base stats. Those two things are the only thing consistent about pseudo-legendaries that I doubt will ever change.

And Slaking has a BST equaling Groudon and Kyogre.
 

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The thing that I'm most happy about this gen is GF finally come to their senses. According to Josh, I think, Hawlucha can't sky battle, which probably means that Gyarados, Mantine, Doduo and Dodrio can't as well.
 
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